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#130: August 25, 2016, 02:57:37 PM
I would suggest this book which is an absolute classic

WOMEN IN MID LIFE CRISIS BY JIM CONWAY

Jim and Sally Conway have learned, from observing many women they have pastored and counseled, that the majority of women in midlife suffer a bewildering and crushing array of physical, emotional, and spiritual stresses. Only in recent years has the midlife crisis been identified and addressed by counselors, pastors and doctors. Now available in mass paper, Women in Midlife Crisis is a carefully researched, compassionate volume of encouragemant and direction for women coping with midlife.

Jim Conway holds a PhD., DMin., plus two masters degrees. He is the author/co-author of 14 books and over 150 articles on marriage and family issues - specializing in Midlife Crisis. Jim is the former co-speaker on the national daily radio program heard on over 200 stations entitled "Midlife Dimensions" plus, he has appeared on hundreds of other radio and TV programs. Jim has pastored churches for over 25 years, was the director of the Doctor of Ministry program and Associates Professor at Talbot Seminary, CA, and is currently the President of Midlife Dimensions, a counseling ministry, and he continues to write, lead seminars, and counsel people worldwide. His website is www.midlife.com.

I think it was written in 1998. As well as RCR's articles, DontGiveUp also found Conway's writings to be dead on.
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Re: Female Mlcer return stories
#131: August 25, 2016, 03:43:47 PM
Speed, my bd was 2 yrs ago and ive been divorced for a year... It takes time to heal my friend. As time passes and you construct the life you want for yourself, that curve ball of pain comes arounf less often.
I really cant tell you how to act. As you heal it will become more natural. I never went NC partly because we have small children but mostly because I wanted to remain in contact with her. Personally, I dont think you want to leave the "door wide open". I think you want to work on closing it but not locking it. I am very comfortable where I am at and have no problem telling her that i still care about and love her. In fact, i did that 2 weeks ago. I know it made her uncomfortable but I am not hiding from my truths. Im not saying I want her back, my love for her now is more agape than anything and I have no problem expressing it.
Hope this helps a bit. There is no "right or wrong". The best advice I can give is work on healing and stay true to yourself.
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#132: August 25, 2016, 07:52:33 PM
I don't know how you get over the pain and all the hurt?  I do keep myself busy and try not to
dwell with this curve ball in life. - But somehow the curve ball comes back around often.

It takes time. Look at the stuff that I posted in my earliest threads—any of it sound familiar? :)

You have the advantage: if your wife is having an MLC then she's not capable of seeing the long-term effects of her decisions, while you can consider the effects of yours. You also have the advantage of knowing that her MLC will take years to work itself out. If you believe that you can work things out once your wife is done with your MLC, then you need to save your energy for when that day comes.

I need some advice how communicate with her while standing and trying to leave the door wide open.  How should I act
when I see her in person? how do I act if she ever start to call?  Right now communication is via texting and it is usually
her texting me about our kids.  "Do you want me to drop them off / pick them up" type of text.  I haven't texted her directly for about 2.5 months.  (After she moved out to her very expensive townhouse) 

I'm confused how to act - I have no experience with this.  How can you seem happy when you know deep inside how aweful
the whole thing is?

Sometimes, you have to "fake it until you make it". You might have to smile and say "Hey, it's good to see you but I have to get home" or "I'm meeting up with friends so I can't stay to visit" and take off.

The next thing to do is actually find things to do to fill your days and weeks. You have an opportunity to do the things you've wanted to do or make time for, without having to worry about whether your wife is going to give you grief about staying out late. Is there a restaurant you've wanted to try? Go for it! Have your friends invited you over to watch sports? Now is a great time to reconnect with them.

Are you a churchgoing man? If so, see if you can find a pastor or minister to talk to—someone who will be motivated to helping you protect and heal your marriage. Or confide in a trusted friend who will support your choice to Stand. You can express your frustration or anger and try to work through it without taking it out on your wife.

Any suggestions on how to approach contact under these situations?

1. Actually seeing her in person in any circumstances.
2. If she calls me - which she doesn't really do - last week she called my cell, but I didn't have it with me.
3. Texting - (right now as I said above, I do not text her.  When she text me, I answer with short as possible answers.

1. It depends on the circumstances. If you bump into her at the post office or grocery store, well, you're running errands and can't chat. If you have both been invited to a friends' house or party, be polite, make as little small talk as you can and spend time talking to others. Remember, she is the one who moved out on you. Until she makes up her mind what she wants, you aren't going to be 100% available to her.
2. Again, it depends on why she is calling. I wouldn't go out of the way to let her make small talk with you, but if she's calling because of something to do with the kids, then take the call. You can always let it go to voice mail and return the call; if she asks why you didn't answer, you just didn't get to your phone in time.
3. It sounds like you've got it right. Strive to be polite and friendly yet reserved.

If she asks you about the marriage or the divorce, there are two things you can say:
1) Do you really think we're going to get back together? "I believe that we can make this work still, but I can't make you stay in a relationship you don't want."
2) You should find someone else who can make you happy! "I haven't decided what I'm going to do yet." (AND THAT'S ALL! No vague threats or ultimatums.)

People who want out of a marriage—whether they are MLCing or not—have convinced themselves that the relationship is unsalvageable. Your character flaws or habits are never going to change, or the fact that you are stressed at work and grumpy when you get home, or you never have sex anymore, make her life unbearable. If you cry and beg and plead when she talks about leaving, you're actually reinforcing those negative feelings about the relationship. (Did you ever break up with a woman and have her cry and scream at you to stay? Was that behavior attractive or compelling?)

So the first thing you can do is do what the "divorce busters" at Michele Weiner-Davis' site call a "180". Is there something about your life that you don't like? Here's a great opportunity to work on that! You're already working out and getting in shape; that's a great place to start. If you can change a couple of those things—especially if they're something that also frustrates and annoys her—then you start chiseling away at her new perception of the marriage.

Remember, though, that much of this effort is going to be wasted while she is MLCing and/or having an affair. So what you're focusing on with your 180s is making those changes, and making them stick. When she comes out of the tunnel and looks back to see where you are, do you want her to see a sad, angry, bitter, man? Or a happy, confident, attractive one?

If she asks why you're so hard to get hold of, just tell her you've been busy. It helps if you really have been busy, spending time with friends or working on projects. Those friends—and your kids, for that matter—can push this idea of the "new you" much more convincingly than you can just by yourself.

I posted about the Stockdale Paradox earlier: we are living in a good example of one. On one hand, you may believe with all of your heart that the time will come when she will want to reconcile with you. On the other, you have to accept and live with the fact that she doesn't want to be with you right now, and live your life accordingly.
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Re: Female Mlcer return stories
#133: August 25, 2016, 07:55:23 PM
Also, what xyzcf said!

I would suggest this book which is an absolute classic

WOMEN IN MID LIFE CRISIS BY JIM CONWAY

Jim and Sally Conway have learned, from observing many women they have pastored and counseled, that the majority of women in midlife suffer a bewildering and crushing array of physical, emotional, and spiritual stresses. Only in recent years has the midlife crisis been identified and addressed by counselors, pastors and doctors. Now available in mass paper, Women in Midlife Crisis is a carefully researched, compassionate volume of encouragemant and direction for women coping with midlife.

Jim Conway holds a PhD., DMin., plus two masters degrees. He is the author/co-author of 14 books and over 150 articles on marriage and family issues - specializing in Midlife Crisis. Jim is the former co-speaker on the national daily radio program heard on over 200 stations entitled "Midlife Dimensions" plus, he has appeared on hundreds of other radio and TV programs. Jim has pastored churches for over 25 years, was the director of the Doctor of Ministry program and Associates Professor at Talbot Seminary, CA, and is currently the President of Midlife Dimensions, a counseling ministry, and he continues to write, lead seminars, and counsel people worldwide. His website is www.midlife.com.

I think it was written in 1998. As well as RCR's articles, DontGiveUp also found Conway's writings to be dead on.
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Every day is another chance to get it right.
http://www.vachss.com/mission/behavior.html

"Counting days won't buy us years" —Wings by HAERTS
"Forgiveness means giving up all hope for a better past."  —Lily Tomlin
"When we commit to our lovers, we implicitly promise to forgive them. There is no other way we can live with someone for better or worse or until death do us part." —Dr. Frederic Luskin

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#134: August 25, 2016, 09:16:58 PM
Hi everyone,
I've just been writing for about 30 min and my reply just vanishied....
I have to go to bed, but I will re write it hopefully tomorrow.
Thank you all for your awesome  replies.

You are the best,
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Re: Female Mlcer return stories
#135: August 26, 2016, 03:13:49 AM
Speed, don't you hate when that happens?  You put all that effort in and..poof!

Well get some good rest.  We'll still be here tomorrow.
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#136: August 26, 2016, 10:09:57 AM
XYZCF, DJ, StillStanding,Thunder  - Thank you all

I don’t believe I will be married very much longer.
My wife received the paperwork to file - (I always told her that I do not want this, I told her
that I would not stand in her way from being happy, I told her I would sign anything - do anything
needed for her to be happy, - BUT I would not file for my marriage to end.)
I told her that I hate the word “Divorce” and “Dissolution” - but these words are at my
front door now.

She will have to file with the county clerk and then it shouldn’t take long after that.
She has had the paperwork for more than a week now and I don’t know if or when she will file.


XYZCF:  I just called Barnes and Noble,
They do not have that book, the have one “Men In Mid Life Crisis”

Where can I get the “Women In Mid Life Crisis” book?
Thanks XYZCF


DJ:
How much in-person contact do you have and how much do you communicate by phone or texting with your wife/ex?
I’m curious how you let her know you still care and love her.
Do you initiate all contact with her?  phone calls, text.
If you do, is it just business like about the kids, or is it on a more personal level?

My wife seems to want as little contact with me as possible.
And I am worried if I would text her something like “I was just thinking
about you, I want you to know I still care and love you. I hope your doing
well” she would go ape shhhht and distance herself further away.


Since I, been on Hero Spouse, I have tried to unattached.
I don’t see my wife very much.  I don’t text her - I usually reply to
the text she sends me.

I haven’t initiated any contact with her for about 2.5 months now and but I do
answer her text.  In the beginning of my ordeal, I told her I would never stop telling her that I loved her - and I did for a long time.  Even after she moved out about 3 mo ago. At first, she would just say “I know”. Later on, she would get mad
and I would reminder that I would never stop telling her how much she means to me.  Eventually, she started to get the “whatever” look.  And right after she moved out,
I sent flowers to her work with a card that said “just thinking of you”.  She sent me a angry email telling me to never - ever send anything like that to her work again -
we are no longer a couple or family…”  (I normally did this on BDays, Anniversarys….)

After that, I just kind of stopped. I guess I was loosing faith that our relationship
could be saved.  She obviously didn’t want to have anything to do with me.

Am I wrong for not telling her I care?  Am I wrong for not initing contact - only answering
when being spoken or texted to? 

My wife never calls at all.  She only text about the kids. “do you want me to
pick them up or are you bringing them” type or text messages.

I still trying to figure out a good balance for this.
Should I communicate more from my end?  Text about the kids or anything to do with them
and possibly my in-laws?

I am just plain confused - and I don’t understand
how to communicate in this environment.

It just seems weird to me that we always communicated great about everything,
we got along great, did everything together - and now it is strange to have
some sort of “transparent wall” with her.


StillStanding:
Thanks for the suggestions on how to act with her.
This is what I would have done on my own, but I just don’t get
how “Detaching and these suggestions” can work together hand in hand?

You asked if I am a Church going guy.
I believe in God, but I have never been a Church going guy. I pray and talk to him on my
own - when I need him, but no I am not a practicing Church member. What is between God and
me is just that.

The funny thing is that my wife grew up very close with her Church.
From the time she was a little girl to her late teens, she was very active
with her Church. I was so proud when her Paster (whom she grew up) married us in
front of our family and friends.

She stopped going to Church when she was around 18 but still did the larger services
Christmas, Easter…. When she started acting out of character last Sept, she blamed me
for not bring our children up “in the Church.” In Dec she actually started to go to Church 1.5 months before BD.  I told her that I would like to go with her and support her. I told her that we
could make it a family day - Get up, go to Church, go out afterwards for lunch. etc…
Happened once and then she just didn’t go anymore -

You commented on character flaws:
My wife and I got along great. Sure, we had arguments every so often. We did have a few
larger arguments - maybe 4 in our 26 year marriage. - Our MC told us that we “were a normal
relationship.” That there was nothing that would make them think we needed to “D.”


When I am stressed out at work, I don’t bring it home.  Home is where that stress
is not. Home is a place of safety, enjoyment.  I always told her how much I love her.  I kissed
her, hugged her everyday until she put a stop to it. Sex was no problem - on my end.
My wife is the one who slowed that to a halt.


Wow, I hope I made some sort of sense in all that….

Anyway - Thank you all for everything.


If (anyone reading) could give me some insight to “your” communication level with your MCL.
Do you talk - in person or phone?

If so, is all business with Kids or is it on a personal level/small talk.
Do you communicate like this when you text or email as well?

This goes out to all LBS who are standing - divorced or not.

Thanks,
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Re: Female Mlcer return stories
#137: August 26, 2016, 02:26:11 PM
Hey Speed, to answer your questions:
1. How much contact - My x monstered HARD for 12 months, I mean just terrible. During that time contact was pretty limited. Since the divorce we text probably 3-4 days per week, usually about the kids. Occasionally we text about other stuff. More recently we have been having hour long conversations every 2-3 weeks that are not about the kids.
2. How do I let her know I care - I just say it. "I still care about you" and give her a hug when shes crying. I told her i love her 2 weeks ago. Keep in mind i am divorced and not tied to a specific outcome. I dont care if what i say scares her and she distances, which is often the case. I know in my heart I care about her and im comfortable with my feelings. After she distances she usually initiates contact within 10 days. She tells me she cares about me and is still confused, but feels she need to continue on this path. I never ask her about getting back together cuz i dont even know if thats what i want. She brings it up then shoots it down all on her own lol.
3. Do i initiate and what do we discuss - I only initiate when absolutely necessary. Our long conversations happen when exchanging the kids or dropping off their things. Ill detail our last few exchanges and what brought me back here on my thread.
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#138: August 26, 2016, 02:55:59 PM
XYZCF:  I just called Barnes and Noble,
They do not have that book, the have one “Men In Mid Life Crisis”

Where can I get the “Women In Mid Life Crisis” book?
Thanks XYZCF

Try Amazon? They have cheap used copies. https://www.amazon.com/Women-Midlife-Crisis-Jim-Conway/dp/0842383794/
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Every day is another chance to get it right.
http://www.vachss.com/mission/behavior.html

"Counting days won't buy us years" —Wings by HAERTS
"Forgiveness means giving up all hope for a better past."  —Lily Tomlin
"When we commit to our lovers, we implicitly promise to forgive them. There is no other way we can live with someone for better or worse or until death do us part." —Dr. Frederic Luskin

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Re: Female Mlcer return stories
#139: August 26, 2016, 03:46:08 PM
Abe Books is also a good option for this title.

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=Conway&sts=t&tn=Women+in+Midlife+Crisis

StillStanding, I just wanted to add a thanks to you for the links you provided earlier in this thread. The author of the blog is excellent. I had purchased his book on loving and living after betrayal on my Kindle a while ago, and want to thank you for providing the spark to actually go back and read it.  ::)
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