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MLC Monster MAN CAVE 2
OP: February 02, 2015, 01:57:41 PM
I think the first thread went OK.
http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=6085.0

Good job ladies and gents for being respectful!

So time to  start another.
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Re: MAN CAVE 2
#1: February 02, 2015, 02:25:49 PM
Thanks to Elray ,op and bipo.
You guys have really cleared that up for me l can't tell ya.
Elray , l get it now and thanks again. That's a great way to handle it and it's what l've sort of intended but l just haven't know where the line is . But in the way you've described it l can understand it now and that is what l've wanted to.
l've also fallen back onto my dad a bit in this as even with all of mums fun and games , he would never allow bs in front of the kids or run her down.
As a kid l worried he was too nice to her but as an adult and especially being dumped in this , l now understand and respect what he was doing.
But my ex doesn't do any of the crap my mum did , not even close , but she did do this, But then that was that . Hopefully d can see that and unless w does start giving me sh@t , l am happy to help with the peace you know - or something like that !
Yeah bipo , l agree . She's too young and has had a hell of a yr anyway , last thing she needs is more . l'll try to use actions instead.

Op thanks for that . l'm dreading the bf's /She's already got them chasing her but she's a bit above them yet and won't play the bs so far thank God.
Mines isolated herself to for similar reasons , that and a manipulating so called best friend. All gonna be a whole post it's own though so  l wanna get back to it then. Cheers
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Re: MAN CAVE 2
#2: February 02, 2015, 02:58:07 PM
Looks like the man cave was well received! What a shame the we have lost Elray, Darth and rugged... All of these men brought so much to the table and I learned so much from them. If any of u happen to be checking in I sincerely thank you for sharing your wisdom. We lost some good men... Hopefully we can share some wisdom with any newbies to pay it forward.
It's been interesting to me that when us men have a place of our own we most talk about our children and how we can be the best fathers we can be. I'm impressed fellas... As much as we focus on our MLCers in our own thread it appears our children really are what matters most.
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#3: February 02, 2015, 05:33:11 PM
OP-You had asked me why it was so bad in the other Man Cave thread that I think my d is spending too much time with bf.

I just don't want history to repeat.  My w never lived for herself (she got pregnant at 18, and has been in a relationship ever since, first with xh, and then me).  I want my d to experience being single, and get to know herself.  I know there is plenty of time for that, but at LEAST date a few different boys to gain r experience (something I lacked).  But what really worries me, is she doesn't do ANYTHING with her "girl" friends.  An example:  D16 and her bf broke up for about 30 seconds (exaggerating...it was a day or two at most).  She had made plans to go hang out with this friend or that friend.  I was really happy for her.  She then got back together with her bf, and cancelled the plans she had made with her girls friends.  I had a talk and told her you don't do things like that, and she said "well, Melissa was going to be with her boyfriend anyway, so I was just going to be a third wheel anyway."

She's a smart girl-She conveniently always knows what to say...Hmmmmmm

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#4: February 02, 2015, 05:45:48 PM
T, FWIW, I agree with you. i think it would be good for her to spend some time with her girlfriends. My wife never really had close relationships with other females other than family and I think it might have helped if she would have. OTOH, I read what some of the guys write about their wive's female friends and I'm glad my wife doesn't have friends like that.
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#5: February 02, 2015, 07:01:32 PM
OP-You had asked me why it was so bad in the other Man Cave thread that I think my d is spending too much time with bf.

I just don't want history to repeat.  My w never lived for herself (she got pregnant at 18, and has been in a relationship ever since, first with xh, and then me).  I want my d to experience being single, and get to know herself.  I know there is plenty of time for that, but at LEAST date a few different boys to gain r experience (something I lacked).  But what really worries me, is she doesn't do ANYTHING with her "girl" friends.  An example:  D16 and her bf broke up for about 30 seconds (exaggerating...it was a day or two at most).  She had made plans to go hang out with this friend or that friend.  I was really happy for her.  She then got back together with her bf, and cancelled the plans she had made with her girls friends.  I had a talk and told her you don't do things like that, and she said "well, Melissa was going to be with her boyfriend anyway, so I was just going to be a third wheel anyway."

She's a smart girl-She conveniently always knows what to say...Hmmmmmm

-T
So really the issue is about contraception?
You don't want her to get pregnant at  16 or a young age?
Like you said she is a smart girl.
What makes you think she is not being smart about this?

I am just saying that I think you are not giving her enough credit.
Sometimes LETTING GO and leading is the best solution,
Seemed to work with my kids.

Kids are going to rebel against your authority so
dont make them rebel against too much CONTROL, IMHO.

What does your daughter think  btw?
Have you just asked her?

And I know sometimes when I have asked my kids things like that,
their opinions have changed as they have gotten older. Just Saying......
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#6: February 02, 2015, 07:40:46 PM
There are ways to have conversations about contraception.  My father was a cool, very progressive man for his time.  The birth control came out in what 1960, but became an instant success by 1962.  I was 10 years old.  Funny I remember hearing about it on the news.

From that day forward my parents subtly hinted that there was no need NOW for a young woman to give up life to an unwanted pregnancy.  They had many a conversation that they certainly would never OBJECT to their daughters protecting themselves. 

Even with that sort of approval, one of my sisters and my brother, had shot gun weddings.  Not me...no thank you!  I heard what my dad had said.

In this day and age, probably good idea to have condoms around as well.  Sadly, it's no longer just having a wee baby to worry about.  It's dying! Just saying!

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#7: February 02, 2015, 07:47:39 PM
TNT - please have faith in you and your w's ability to raise an amazing daughter! I believe that the hard work of raising children happens in the first 10 years. It sounds like for your family that was a pretty stable time. Stats show that parents that have an open relationship with their children - especially around sex - are the adolescence that have healthily relationships. Talk to her openly and honestly about how you feel and what your concerns are (including her mothers past) she might just surprise you.

Kia Kaha - stay strong

PS when talking to D about sex and relationships make sure you have your best poker face on  8)
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#8: February 03, 2015, 02:05:55 AM
Looks like the man cave was well received! What a shame the we have lost Elray, Darth and rugged... All of these men brought so much to the table and I learned so much from them. If any of u happen to be checking in I sincerely thank you for sharing your wisdom. We lost some good men... Hopefully we can share some wisdom with any newbies to pay it forward.
It's been interesting to me that when us men have a place of our own we most talk about our children and how we can be the best fathers we can be. I'm impressed fellas... As much as we focus on our MLCers in our own thread it appears our children really are what matters most.


How did we lose them Dj , l haven't been keeping up and jack' to from what l skimmed .

But anyway and l do mean no offense to the good intentions of you guys and the thought/idea is very much appreciated and l do really enjoy knowing the women through the forum to but what's wrong with wanting a place we can truly call our man cave and truly talk anyway we damn well please and any subject. But we may as well scrap the title or else put a paddock on the place like l suggested though, unfortunately men still won't speak freely here as it's as many women as men and just too much bs to bother unfortunately.

Such are the times and internet l spose , maybe, l don't know. l just don't really see what's wrong a true place to call our own .
Could always have a 2nd place one for both and women can setup their own or do whatever they wanna do?

ps , if we look at it this way. Our fathers and grandfathers did not hesitate to have their real man time, there was none of this stuff .
Yet they didn't have 1/2 the problems and divorce rates we have now so it can't be all bad.
Personally l think all the Alpha crap you hear about not that l could give a damn about it but, basically just means start being men again just like old days .
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#9: February 03, 2015, 02:26:12 AM
Hawk, there have always been rules about rudeness, cussing, name calling and stuff like that. We watch all of the threads for overly aggressive behaviour.  When we see a member becoming worked up, their anger and bitterness obviously taking them over, we gently try to lead them out of it.  Sometimes we have had to become quite assertive and warn them that their ANGER AND BITTERNESS is beginning to take them over and will eventually destroy them.

With women, we know that if we control the depth of their anger, we often prevent an increase in resentment, when we prevent resentment we save them from bitterness.  Bitterness is a real killer.  I came so close to going down that road and when I remember it, I see darkness and "COLD"!

I am not as familiar with men.  I'm not as confident about trying to rein in your anger and bitterness, as I not completely convinced that expressing, feeling and enacting those feelings, is something men need to do, more then women.  As a woman, I absolutely know, that at all costs prevent bitterness, I just can't believe that the same does not apply to men, bitterness is a terrible place to be, I was afraid of getting stuck there. I have definitely met "bitter" people and they are not pleasant to be around.  Some anger is healthy, very healthy. In fact no anger, I do not think is a good sign at all.  It's just not natural to me.  Plus I truly believe that anger can, if watched closely, push us through to the next stage.  I'm just not sure how much anger is too much.  I will watch this thread and hopefully figure that out.

Yes, I said stage.  LBS's have just as many stages as MLCer.  WE cycle and we continue to cycle until we purge all the demons of each cycle out of ourselves.  I believe that is how we grow and eventually thrive.  Again though, I am not confident of my ability to tell how you men are doing.  Heck, I don't always get it right with the ladies.  I have thought they were moving along quite well, only to discover later that they are stuck, stuck, stuck!

I also am not confident about my ability to gauge MALE anger as well.  Men often sound much angrier then they really are.  All I can ask of you gentlemen that you be patient with us, if you are able, because we are learning slowly what you need as well.  Hopefully if you tell us to chill out, that you are in NO WAY out of control, we will back away and leave you to it.  Learn to trust you.  Perhaps, even learn a thing or two about male anger, resentment, bitterness as apposed to female.  I am sure, once we get USED to each other, this will all work out just fine.

Sometimes Hawk, it is not a BAD thing, to not be as completely VOCAL as you think you might like to be.  I can assure you, I have quite a temper and my language can and is often "very colourful"!  I like to think, posting in here has taught me a LITTLE self control. (Lord knows, needed to!)  If I want to speak out, I have discovered that I am able to say it without being nasty, vulgar and unkind.  In fact, I found it worked much, much better then the "old get in their face and confront/get it off your chest" thing!  Dear Calamity and RCR once told me, my comments sounded like a "first draft", as my comments were clipped, sharp and not well thought out.  Instead of making my point, I had come across as being angry and rude. the point I had been trying to make was completely lost and basically USELESS.  So fear not, I've had my fingers "slapped" more the a couple of times.  Didn't do me a bit harm.  In fact, the next time I wanted to make a POINT, I thought about it and took my time writing it, so my point was not MISSED!  I like to think I am doing that here...hehehe!  (how am I doing lads)

Basically Hawk I'm just trying to tell you, we want to help, we want to help everybody but we have to understand and learn how best to do that.  Whether it be for you men or woman.  Speak out Hawk, say whatever you want to, just realize that speaking out doesn't have to be crude, lewd and vulgar.  In fact, you are usually heard much better if you do not!  Just saying Hawk.  ;)

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