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#10: May 26, 2015, 06:45:01 AM
I think she totally summarizes an MLC affair in this talk, and HP points out those pieces here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/21/why-happy-people-cheat_n_7317812.html?utm_hp_ref=divorce&ir=Divorce

She talks about how in turning to an affair, we are not as much turning from our partner, but turning away from the person we have become, and that an affair is an antidote to death.  I think that is it, in a nutshell.  And the drug/addiction part of it that is fed by secrecy IS part of an MLC affair, it is what propels them to go off and live with the OP.  The difference between "just an affair" and an MLC affair, is that some people realize the stupidity of it sooner and face the music.  MLCers don't.  Or if they do, they keep "drug seeking."  Mine may have gotten over OW addiction, but she still offers him a NEW LIFE, there are things he is doing that he never would have done with me--the new job, new boat, new house...  He is still seeking the escape from "deadness" that she talks about.  Good stuff, thanks for posting.  Love and light, ll
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#11: May 26, 2015, 06:58:54 AM
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#12: May 26, 2015, 07:05:44 PM
She talks about how in turning to an affair, we are not as much turning from our partner, but turning away from the person we have become, and that an affair is an antidote to death.  I think that is it, in a nutshell.

That is her vision of what affairs are. I think it will also depend of a person's age. I doubt that those in their 20's are using an affair as an antidote to death. Maybe more like a thrill and just for sex. For me affairs are more connected to the idea of fun than of death. But I understand her point of view.

And the drug/addiction part of it that is fed by secrecy IS part of an MLC affair, it is what propels them to go off and live with the OP.  The difference between "just an affair" and an MLC affair, is that some people realize the stupidity of it sooner and face the music.  MLCers don't.  Or if they do, they keep "drug seeking." 

Yes, the secrecy is the drug. But the secrecy drug ends when the affair is made public. Most, like you said, realise pretty quick it was all a mistake and a stupidity, MLCers don't. Also, most people in affairs have no intention of leaving their marriage. MLCer almost always, if not always, want to leave the marriage.

Mine may have gotten over OW addiction, but she still offers him a NEW LIFE, there are things he is doing that he never would have done with me--the new job, new boat, new house...  He is still seeking the escape from "deadness" that she talks about. 

Why wouldn't your husband have done the new job, boat and house with you? You disapprove of those things, or were they things you were also interested in, but never happened?

With me, at first, I did not mind with Mr J djing. But I think he realise that, at a point, I would had enough of that life and would not be up to have a husband who is always clubbing. I love to dance, but not on that type of clubs. Also, being the DJ wife or girlfriend is a drag. You will dance alone, or with friends, you either remain home while he is at the club or have to spend night after night at the club staring at your husband. Not for me, thank you very much.

So, Mr J new life is of no interest to me. I could be argued that, yes, if he had stayed home, didn't had his MLC, he would not be at the club. In fact, he knew it. He has said that he only had now (now being 2006) to do this (being a DJ). Guess he never realise how addictive the whole thing was going to become nor how long now was going to be.

Mr J OWs are just furniture. OW1 left him when she realised he was not going to give up clubbing and be the good family man she thought he was. OW2 I have no idea why she stays around. They meet clubbing, so they may also still like it.
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#13: May 26, 2015, 07:22:06 PM

Mine may have gotten over OW addiction, but she still offers him a NEW LIFE, there are things he is doing that he never would have done with me--the new job, new boat, new house...  He is still seeking the escape from "deadness" that she talks about. 

Why wouldn't your husband have done the new job, boat and house with you? You disapprove of those things, or were they things you were also interested in, but never happened?


Mine bought the OW stuff that I had always wanted but he refused to get me. Went with the OW to a country that he was sick of going to with me. Probably did a lot of other stuff he wouldn't do with me.

Whatever. Have a great life. Not.
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#14: May 26, 2015, 09:12:22 PM
Mine may have gotten over OW addiction, but she still offers him a NEW LIFE, there are things he is doing that he never would have done with me--the new job, new boat, new house...  He is still seeking the escape from "deadness" that she talks about. 

This resonates with me so much. And it's not about the job, the house, per se, it's the IDENTITY. Like they're in witness protection (witless protection?  ;) ;D). Mine is so much the opposite of who he was before, it's eerie. New example: always wore vintage high end watches (had a knack for finding great deals at antique malls). Mid-century Omega, Elgin, nice things! Now he literally wears a Mickey Mouse watch. Took a photo of it! I had one...when I was seven! But OW is a middle-aged Disney freak, so here we are. THIS is what she offers. Not only a second teenaged experience, but a second childhood. And she's older (crisis of her own, or just cray cray?).
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#15: May 26, 2015, 11:03:23 PM
I do like her comment that affairs in the digital age are like "a death by 1,000 cuts".  Although, with MLC, I think it is more like 1 million cuts.
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#16: May 27, 2015, 12:57:07 AM

I think she makes a lot of sense and put the information across really well . Although she never mentions MLC crisis she talked about running away from SELF which is pretty much what we are dealing with .
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#17: May 27, 2015, 05:58:14 AM
Mine may have gotten over OW addiction, but she still offers him a NEW LIFE, there are things he is doing that he never would have done with me--the new job, new boat, new house...  He is still seeking the escape from "deadness" that she talks about. 

This resonates with me so much. And it's not about the job, the house, per se, it's the IDENTITY. Like they're in witness protection (witless protection?  ;) ;D). Mine is so much the opposite of who he was before, it's eerie. New example: always wore vintage high end watches (had a knack for finding great deals at antique malls). Mid-century Omega, Elgin, nice things! Now he literally wears a Mickey Mouse watch. Took a photo of it! I had one...when I was seven! But OW is a middle-aged Disney freak, so here we are. THIS is what she offers. Not only a second teenaged experience, but a second childhood. And she's older (crisis of her own, or just cray cray?).

It's what replay is, the running away from themselves.  And she captures the triggers also--she notes that affairs often follow a traumatic "life" event, a death, an illness...  I think MOST of us find ourselves in those places, several times in our lives, when we just want to run away or change something, and some of us to, change jobs, careers, friends, neighborhoods.  Some people are so vested in their "façade" that they can't or won't admit they want to change something, so they have affairs. 

If you combine this talk with some of Helen Fischer's on how "love" is no different in brain activity than cocaine addiction, it all makes sense.  MLCers are simply addicts of a different kind.  Some of them do become drug or gambling addicts, but some simply seek that same high with a new woman and all the new stimulation she can offer.  As a 5-year veteran, I am also no longer surprised by the number of seasoned LBSs who find out seven to ten years later that BD did not reveal his first dalliance, just the one that finally broke him.  Which, in many ways, truly confirms that it is not the OW, it is the MLC, she is just a piece of his nightmare, not the reason or the cure, just another tragedy...  Infidelity is way more common than we think, and most instances do not break marriages, but in MLC they are an easy way out for a person desperate for a new path.  Interesting stuff...     
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#18: May 29, 2015, 01:58:49 AM
Another interesting article by Rick Reynolds of 'Affair Recovery'
https://www.affairrecovery.com/newsletter/founder/infidelity-justifications-of-the-unfaithful?utm_source=Article+of+the+Week&utm_campaign=2665b83000-aotw_05_28_2015&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ba782628b7-2665b83000-312831325

Below is a discussion between myself and one of my clients, Amy, explaining her rationale behind her affair:

“When we first met, my affair partner asked if I’d ever considered modeling.Are you kidding? I asked him. I’m a married woman and mother of four, so of course I was flattered, but unfortunately the exchange didn’t stop there. Compliments, along with seeking my advice on personal issues, began a conversation that captured my heart and I found myself having an affair.”

“Did you feel bad about what you were doing?” I asked her.

“No, I just kept telling myself if I really loved my husband, how could I feel this way about my affair partner? I never had feelings like that for my husband, which meant this guy had to be my soul mate. How could it be wrong if we cared so much?”

What are the ways of thinking that help contribute to infidelity? It’s impossible to explore all the ways people justify their actions, but we’ll explore a few and you can determine if the way you think about your relationship puts you at risk.


Justifications: These thought patterns push away guilt and allow the wayward spouse to deceive themselves into thinking they have little or no responsibility for their choices.


I married the wrong person.

It’s amazing how many people discover they married the wrong person once they are having an affair. There is no way long-term relationships can compare with the hot flame of stage-one relationships. Unmet expectations often leave partners feeling they somehow made a mistake. We forget it’s about how well we love, not about how our mate makes us feel about ourselves.


I found my soul mate.

How can you deny “True Love”? In a culture raised on Disney films, love may seem like the best justification of all. Don’t all cravings and desires need to be fulfilled? Far too often the consequences of infidelity are buried under the fantasy of falling in love, with little or no regard for those who have first rights to us. We fail to see the selfishness of seeking our own happiness at the expense of our mate and forget they’ve continued to be with us even after the hot flames of romance have settled into glowing embers.


It’s okay, as long as I’m careful not to get caught.

Thinking others won’t be hurt as long as you keep it a secret may push away feelings of guilt, but infidelity is never without consequences. The very definition of infidelity is the keeping of secrets while intimacy means “into-me-see”. It’ a willingness to be fully known and to fully know another. How can that happen as long as you’re keeping secrets? Whether or not you get caught doesn’t change the disconnection that occurs for your mate as you close yourself off to them in order to give yourself to another.


I love my mate, but I’m no longer in love.

This justification is based on the premise that marriage is about being “in love”. Marriage requires couples to develop a vision of love that lasts a lifetime. As mentioned before, marriage isn’t based on feelings, but rather on choice and commitment. It’s easy to stay with someone if you love the way they make you feel or if you’re obsessed with having them. But when life’s hard and your mate disappoints, unless you have a deeper understanding of love, it won’t be long until the justification of “being in love” will come into play.


God doesn’t want me to be miserable.

If you believe marriage is primarily about happiness, then misery becomes a natural justification for infidelity. Marriage isn’t about happiness; it’s about love and commitment. Certainly we hope to find happiness through our relationships, but it’s not always guaranteed. As Charles d!ckens once wrote, “In every life, no matter how full or empty one's purse, there is tragedy. It is the one promise life always fulfills. Thus, happiness is a gift and the trick is not to expect it but to delight in it when it comes and to add to other people's store of it.”1 I’m certainly not saying all marriages can or should be saved, but misery doesn’t justify infidelity. Two people can be in the same miserable marriage, but normally only one of them will have an affair. What keeps the other spouse from cheating if cheating is driven by misery? Frequently it’s a thing called commitment. I once heard someone say, “When my marriage is good and I like my wife, my commitment is to my wife. When my marriage is good, but my wife and I aren’t getting along, my commitment is to my marriage. And if my marriage is bad, then my commitment is to my commitment.”


I never had sex with the other person, so it doesn’t count..

At times extramarital involvement is a matter of fancy moral accounting. Some people justify their infidelity by convincing themselves they never cheated. As long as they don’t break their own self-generated rules regarding extramarital involvement, then they avoid feeling like they’ve done anything wrong. While these people are committed to stay, they are not committed not to stray. For instance a man may abstain from intercourse, but feel free to participate in oral sex since he’s not breaking his “moral code”. In his mind, he’s not really “having an affair”. Or a woman may divulge her inner-most thoughts and feelings to a man at work while leaving her spouse only cold remarks and shallow insights. If she doesn’t register an emotional affair as “counting” as infidelity, she frees herself to continue her behavior without remorse. While this justification may allow for the unfaithful mate to avoid guilt, it won’t protect their mate from feelings of betrayal.


Monogamy just isn’t natural.

Once you’ve strayed why choose to stay? If you don’t believe monogamy is natural, why get married in the first place? Most people don’t get married intending to stray, but once they’ve been unfaithful it becomes all too easy to adopt this new belief to push away responsibility. When people justify betrayal, they avoid taking personal responsibility for their choices and continue living in the illusions of their own self-deception. On the other hand, when someone makes excuses such as “I was drunk” or “I was just flirting” at least they don’t deny having done something wrong.


It’s much easier to justify our failures than to honestly look at what we’ve done. Recovery isn’t just about stopping harmful behaviors; it’s about learning to see it differently. Until I can honestly examine my behavior and its impact on self and others, I can’t begin to move forward. As long as I see my behavior through the distorted lens of my justifications, I’ll continue living in the problem. Once I honestly accept my choices I can begin living in the solution. To err is human, but to do it again is foolish. Right thinking goes a long way in avoiding foolishness.


In this journey, healed individuals are vital guides. If we can’t juxtapose our thinking against those who have found new life, we’ll likely stay trapped in our own self-deception. If you want perspective, at least be open to talking to someone safe and someone who is willing to walk with you though the process. At Affair Recovery, we provide a way to gain expert insight and perspective through our online courses and our in-person, EMS Weekend Intensives.


Just get help somewhere. Don’t make the mistake of thinking you can get yourself out of the mess you got yourself into. It hasn’t worked in the past, and it won’t work now. There is hope and you can heal, just don’t do it alone.



1. d!ckens, Charles. Nicholas Nickleby. London: Cassell, 1890. Print
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