[Velika]

Thank you OP!

I got interested in this topic after reading about Watcher's wife's somewhat dramatic emergence from the fog. I hope you don't mind, Watcher, if I post some of her descriptions here, as they echo what other people who have emerged from MLC have said.

Demonic Possession/Dark Cloud/Fog

W decribes her crisis ( her words) as almost a demonic possession. Look she is having a moment of some clarity at best but she is still in the thick of things with her mlc.

The only other tidbit that she has added so far is that  "a dark cloud ascended over my life". She said yesterday that she finally believes "that dark cloud has lifted".

Virgin Mary/Prayer/Church

Then we went out to my car and sat in it for hours alone. She says the cloud(her words) began lifting in November (month 17 post BD). She had a horrible dream. She had a dream of a Virgin Mary statue that lost its head and smashed as it hit the floor. She woke up shaking and scared. She immediately went back to Church and began praying.

In January (month 19 post BD), she woke up one morning and the cloud was gone for good . She waited a few days and it just never came back. She immediately began to seek me out. (Jan 18, Jan 20) and wanted me home, but still was hesitant.

Rosary

It's fascinating, I brought that rosary in Sept 2015, 3 months post BD. I believe she donated it. She wanted nothing from me at that time. It means something to her now.

She told me that one symbolic gesture let her know that Watcher knew something was wrong with her. She knew that her behavior was not normal because of the rosary. (Go Figure) She remembered my giving it to her but her possession just took over but she knew that I was there with that gift.

My own MLC-H, who is on a similar timeline as Watcher's wife, also recently told me that he was concerned my family and I thought he wasn't the person we had believed -- or that he had been possessed by OW. Since he projects, I was surprised by this use of language. Since his MLC he and she have gotten into shamanistic rituals. He also if you read my thread has become very morbid, interesting in watching violence like boxing and even animal-cleaning videos (hunting stuff). Totally out of character.

C4E I also had a dream about OW and a dream about a church. In the OW dream, I was laughing along with someone's maniacal laughter. I realized in the dream that the person laughing was OW and she was laughing at me. I woke up and my heart was racing.

In the church dream, soon after bomb drop, I had sought sanctuary in a dilapidated church. I was surrounded by old, decrepit, suffering people, lying on the floor. I became aware that an animal, some sort of beast, was slinking along the ceiling, and I knew it was coming for me because it could smell me. It was terrifying.

I am someone who believes MLC is a frontotemporal lobe issue. But if our brains out out as well as receive/perceive energy frequencies, it makes sense that a faulty system may also cause a person to participate/dwell/interact on a different "energy level" of some sort.

[Roma]

It's very hard for me to relate to any of this because I am not a religious person.

I understand the fog analogy better. That sort of makes sense to me me than possession of an evil spirit or whatever.

[Watcher]

That's all good Velika, no problem 

I wish that I could add more but I'm allowing her to talk on her own accord and not ask any questions.

She says that she began to explore why she was hammering me for a divorce when she has always been anti divorce.

She has told me that Satan attacked our marriage. We allowed it by neglecting our marriage through our various vices and addictions.

She believes that we had to go through all the pain and hurt to show us the error of our ways and for us to not allow this to happen again.

She revealed that she has been talking to a Catholic Priest for sometime now to help her.

She had the 2 of us blessed at Church, she has blessed medallions that we wear to protect our marriage and we did something at our home where blessed objects were placed outside the 4 corners.

She is having a spiritual awakening. She is incredibly happy and calm and at peace. If this is what it takes to bring her back to life then I'm all for it. It's been nothing but a positive experience thus far and hopefully she continues on her path to recovery.

[Watcher]

And yes Velika, I remember when you first posted this thread and I did believe that you were losing it  never knowing that I would end up on it.

Look I was comfortable with the terms fog and tunnel for so long. My W did not experience either so they no longer apply to my situation. She uses dark cloud and demonic possession. It is her experience so that is what I have to go with now. She is the MLC ER and this is her story and experience. Who am I to say otherwise. I am just an observer.

Thank you Velika for starting this thread and hopefully I can contribute more when my W feels comfortable revealing more of her story.

[Velika]

Haha I guess all roads lead to demonic possession.

I was really taken aback when I read your wife's descriptions. It made me wonder why people say this over and over again.

To be honest, I have always thought of the world in more traditional psychological framework. Before this, I saw people's failings and mistakes products of their upbringing and limits.

Again, I now feel that a lot of this is neurological but it is hard to ignore some of the spiritual aspects.

I really appreciate you sharing your story! As you know I have spent some time living in your wife and inlaws' home country so I can see how thr awareness of this issue would be greater for your wife.

[Not Applicable]

Even if it is something psychological or physiological going on in their brain, I've seen it several times in my husband now and it truly is like his body has been seized and he isn't even aware of anything. He did it again today, not directed at me he was angry at someone else and he was asking a question to me about this person in his native language, His body tensed up and he started to talk I think like his father, and I kept answering him in English, and he kept repeating the question over and over, as if he didn't hear/understand me. Finally he understood me, asked another question in his language, which I answered. Maybe after a minute or so I asked him, "Can I help you with something?" and he finally relaxed and answered me in English with what he needed help with.

He actually directed it at me the other night. He had left for his clinic in a pleasant mood and then came home a few hours later and finding I had closed both inside doors, he was too lazy to put his key in the lock and started banging on the door in his language, saying, "Open open!" I opened one door but he got angry and told me to go to hell and told me to come around and open the other door. Then he marched in like Arnold Schwarznegger in Terminator 2 when he goes into the bar naked to take someone's clothes, or in 3 when he goes to take the coffin with the weapons out of the cemetery. This stiff marching walk. He grabbed his blood pressure machine, turned around and walked back out. I called after him to tell him if he needed me to heat up dinner, just let me know, and he said back to me, "Go to hell." I found out from his mother later he was upset about something that had happened with a patient but again, it was very much like his father.

In fact, I remember one time while his father was still alive, I thought he was banging on the door to be let in in exactly the same manner, but it was actually my husband's uncle, they were so alike. We always joke about it because I opened the door in my nightgown thinking it was my FIL and found this strange man standing there and it was only after he told me who he was that I remembered him.

I feel like next time I should address him in his language and just ask, "Who are you?" and see how he responds.  I want to see really what happens. Because he really goes into a sort of trance.

[Thunder]

OMG Changing, that would scare the heck out of me.
Not sure I could ask him who he is the answer might be very disturbing.

I have never met my H's father but he was a very violent man.
One time a few days after bd I do remember my H not sounding like himself at all.  His voice sounded different, deeper, angry.  I haven't thought about that in years. 

[Velika]

C4E, it's funny you mention this, but it reminded me of something I had observed early on regarding the stiff walk/posture.

When our son was very small he had night terrors. He would scream, inconsolable, eyes open as if awake, but he was actually in a sleep state. There was no way to get through to him when he was in this.

One thing I noticed was that he was always very stiff, like a board, when this happened. As an infant he would sometimes also wake up and cry, his  neck and body very stiff.

I come from a family of sleepwalkers, but my husband would tell me his brother had night terrors as a baby.

I'm not sure if there is a connection, but the stiff body/altered state is a parallel.

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I shared this on my thread but my MLC-H now has twice now, in last few weeks during fairly mellow conversation, accused me of thinking his OW possessed him and is a succubus.

[LEC16]

Interesting theory, I am Catholic and consider myself religious, but i also am very educated and like the church believe rational or scientific explanations need to be ruled out before jumping to supernatural. In my W case I know depression, medicine, neurological disorder, and hormone injections are possible explanations.

That said, I have seen some of the same behavior and the soul less eyes others have seen. I also have seen a spiritual element and can make a case based on past experiences my W has shared with me. First, I have experienced times when W old voice would call out to me, snuggle up to me, or show affection, only to quickly transform into the shark eyes and stop herself and retreat. I felt at times like her old self is a prisoner that is being repressed. The rapid shift and obvious change in her eyes was scary as hell. One night I came home and saw a kind look in her eyes and walked up and started kissing her. After a few minutes she changed, her eyes were different, and she stopped and was mad.

On the spiritual side, W was raised Catholic and started showing more interest as our kids were going through the sacraments. She is a scientific person being a doctor, but she has described several spiritual attacks from her past. She said her grandfather gave her mom some satanic material he found in a woods because he thought it would be cool Halloween decorations, and her mom was big into Halloween. W said she was young but her and her mom had some very scary experiences that she described as supernatural. She described a feeling that someone or something was bouncing on the foot of her bed. She also described beer cans falling in their basement.

As an adult she described a experience at a retreat at an old monetary where the wind blew her window open and something walked across the room and sat at the foot of the bed. She then said her body felt paralyzed and really warm. She said the feeling lasted until she was able to roll over against resistance and bless herself and say a prayer. She said that when she woke up the angel statue on her night stand was on the floor broken. This happened 5 years before the mlc, so I don't see an important connection time wise, but I find it worth noting that she claims these seemingly evidence providing experiences, yet now she rejects religion and is interested in astrology.

I tend to look at other factors, but all five people I know in her office have separated during the last 5 years with young kids. All this could be random, but I did get the house blessed as a precaution. I think faith and reason are connected.

[Not Applicable]

Whatever the cause, they are acting like a different person. And who CHOOSES to be a different person that is angry, nasty, irresponsible and morally deficient in their middle age? There's something they just can't control anymore and on the one hand that is what is so scary and repugnant about it, and on the other hand, it is what makes me feel so much compassion for my husband. Part of me says this guy is so screwed up and a pain in the ass and I am putting up with something so horrible, but on the other hand I say to myself, he can't help himself and if I lost my mind like that I would want him to show me compassion so I want to bear it because I want to be a good person to him and not walk away from him.