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#40: November 09, 2016, 09:14:18 AM
I think he won by tapping into people's dislikes. If you think women need to be put back in their place, he's your man. If you don't like minorities, immigrants, Muslims, gays, the Establishment, environmentalists, free trade, liberals, intellectuals, journalists, he's right there with you. And the biggest one, if you don't like Hillary, you can vote against her by voting for him. I wonder what's going to happen when those who voted for him realize they're also on his list of people he dislikes.

Thunder, I think we should probably leave for Canada before they put the wall up, although personally I've been talking with LiveLoveLaugh about moving to Australia.

Here's an hilarious article about Queen Elizabeth II offering to restore British Rule over the USA. It's a joke, I think, but the offer is still tempting. "This two-hundred-and-forty-year experiment in self-rule began with the best of intentions, but I think we can all agree that it didn’t end well,” she said."

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/queen-offers-to-restore-british-rule-over-united-states
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#41: November 09, 2016, 09:22:12 AM
People bought into a lot of marketing from a literal game show host, and the disappointment when he doesn't deliver "great" is forthcoming. But I am less worried about living with him as my president as I am living everyday with half a country that voted for him. I just cannot crawl inside that mindset.

I liked Hillary a lot. She was one of us, whether you like her or not. She very publicly and gracefully faced what 99% of us have had the privilege to do at worst on Facebook, and at best in the privacy of our own marriages, and it didn't break her. I hope at least we can all agree that it's an inspiring example of overcoming this thing we all face everyday.
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#42: November 09, 2016, 09:37:04 AM
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Really felt the days of bigots were over, until I woke up today and realized the majority of people who voted, really still are.
I have to say that I voted and I resent being grouped with people who think that the MAJORITY of people who voted for Trump are bigots. That's a pretty broad brush to paint someone with. Just my .02.
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We should be celebrating and lifting up our gender whenever and wherever we can.
I could not vote for someone like Clinton just because she was born with a V@g!n@. Abortion, open borders, pay for play, Benghazi........all of these things were intolerable to me. Do I think Trump is great? No, but I think Clinton is worse. My candidate wasn't in the running so I had to choose.

 
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leave the politicking to people who know what they're doing,
Sorry, but I don't think a lot of politicians know what they are doing. The system is broken and corrupt at the core.

In my humble opinion, it doesn't matter who is President, my King still sits on the throne.......
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Re: U.S. Election
#43: November 09, 2016, 10:19:22 AM
I voted for Bernie Sanders in primaries and for HC in general elections. I care a lot about social issues that Bernie has been fighting for, like maternity leave, single payer insurance, and debt-free education, curb special interest, etc.  I agree with R2T that it is rather scary to wake up in the country where the majority voted for Trump. I also hope that the checks and balances that are part of our Constitutional system will work and that Trump will not be allowed to usurp power. I, frankly speaking do not think that he intends to be a hands on  president. He is going to outsource critical decision making to his team, which is Christie, the Bridgegate guy, Guilliani, and Pence. All three of them are equally scary.
While I can appreciate the way Clinton dealt with her family issues, I think she was the least trustworthy candidate from the Democratic party. I deeply disagree with her foreign policy, social issues, and too close for comfort relations with the Walt Street and corporate America, shady regimes in the World. The way she clenched the nomination was marred in insider deals from the leadership of Democratic party, that heavily favoried her over Bernie Sanders. The management of Clinton foundation is another major issue. She was very very vulnerable. I still voted for her, because just about anything was better than Trump. I made myself to go and vote, whereas many people who had semilar reservationd stayed home and that took the Presidency from HC.  It is time for reckoning for America. I also agree with LP that the economic growth did not translate into tangible results for many many many people. We all bear responsibility for the current state of affairs in our country.
UM many Republicans might detest Tramp but when it comed to voting they will vote along the party lines. Our system is becoming a two-party version of Soviet Union.

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#44: November 09, 2016, 10:23:52 AM
I don't discuss politics thus this is all ya get from me: Everyone I voted for won, so I'm feeling pretty good. Uncertain yes, but I'm an optimist and respect the system and am pleased Obama is leaving.
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#45: November 09, 2016, 11:01:04 AM
I have to say I feel this was the most divisive presidential election I have ever experienced.
The results have left me feeling completely disenfranchised.

I live in a city where whites are no longer the majority -
but I never feel like I don't belong.
I have met and personally know people who practice all forms or religion - including Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddists - and it does not seem to be a problem.

But this election more than any other seemed to be about "us" vs "them".
There seemed to be a yearning to go back to some distant America - when America was "great".

The truth is - there are no easy answers.
No wall which really will keep people out.
Immigration is a much more complex problem than just building a wall.
We need people to pick our produce - work in our slaughter houses - do our most difficult jobs.
These are the jobs that many of the recent immigrants take.
I wonder if we deport all of the illegals what impact this will have on the economy.

Our economy is not so simply fixed by just stopping imports.
Yes, we can manufacture goods here in the US - but we must be willing to pay for those goods at prices that support fair wages.
We are accustomed to pay rock bottom prices for many things.
Prices that can only be sustained at that level by countries that pay pittances compared to us.
How many of us shop at Walmart - where the prices are low and the goods imported from places like China?
Are you willing to replace that shopping with prices that are 10%-20% higher?
Some can - many others can't.

The tougher questions come when we talk about things like abortion rights.
In my city they occassionally find newborns in dumpsters - sealed in plastic bags.
Babies born to crack addicts are not easily adopted.
People with means will find a doctor to secretly perform the procedure - just as happened prior to abortion being legal.
Others may try backroom abortions that are without medical assistance and unsafe to both the fetus and the mother.
This is not to say there there should or should not be abortion.
Only to say there are no easy answers.
I see the resolve to end abortion - but not the resolve to deal with the other problems that will rise as a result.

I assume the affordable health care act will be repealed.
I do not think it is a "given" that this will be replaced with anything else right away.
So what do we do with the uninsured?
Hospitals need money to treat people - they can't just exist on air.
So what is the solution when an uninsured person walks in?
If you are in poverty - you will be covered by medicaid.
If you are not covered by medicaid and have no insurance - then what?
Should the hospital have the right to refuse to accept you as a patient?
Is it OK to take a risk of not being insured and run up huge hospital bills that will bankrupt you?
I don't know the right answers - I only know that the answers are not easy.

What I find so discouraging is that the sides are so polarized.
There is little dialog between positions - only accusations that the other side is wrong.

There seems to be a lack of altruism.
A lack of compassion for anyone who thinks differently.

I have no idea how the elected officials will behave - or what policies they will try to promote or repeal. 
I do not have much faith in our sytem - because it seems to me it is broken at the core -  there is no dialog, only feuding.

And I find that I feel very sad about all of this.





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#46: November 09, 2016, 11:30:19 AM
A lot of good questions there Airmid and well said!  I was stunned at the Brexit vote... stunned!  This, pales in comparison. 

Sorry but my spare rooms have already been requested and filled. 

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Re: U.S. Election
#47: November 09, 2016, 11:36:49 AM
Great post, Air.
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#48: November 09, 2016, 12:37:00 PM
I am not going to comment on the US elections because I personally do not know enough about it.....BUT

I do know why I voted as a British citizen to get OUT of the European Union.....

It was because I feel the EU is a defunct outdated organisation that started out as a common trading platform and quickly became something far removed from its beginnings.

It is run by unelected power crazy bureaucrats who were overstepping their remit and bringing in laws that effected my country...
the arrogance of these unelected power crazy people showed no bounds and that scared me more than leaving the EU.
I now believe the EU days are numbered and I believe once it falls, it will make way yet again for what it should have been in the first place, a common trading group

I felt that if I had voted to remain, it would have meant a total loss of power and my countries sovereignty and yes I voted to control our borders because as a small island we are so overcrowded.  However I am not a racist or a bigot, far from it.
Infact I know many many Indian, African and others who also voted to leave

I hated the way our courts were overruled by the court of European rights...........and many other things

So as much as I totally respect everyone on here for their stand on MLC and their fortitude and resilience in dealing with what we are dealing with, I totally resent the implication that everyone like me is crazy/mad/bigoted/uneducated etc etc for voting out of the corrupt EU.....but it is no different for the way the UK popular press and media have portrayed people like me.

But let me assure you, I never take my position as a woman who is able to vote lightly, I am passionate about politics and so I always ensure I do my research before voting.  Though I have been 'accused' with fellow EU leavers as being ignorant, bigoted, etc....in my experience, having talked to those who voted to remain, it is the remainers who have been caught up in the emotional press propaganda and not me, it is the remainers who have been duped into believing they are the 'educated' and to remain is to vote in an 'informed' way..............because IMO this is only what the people who actually benefit from staying in the EU want them to think..........IMO a lot (not all) of the people who voted to remain in the EU were duped into believing Armageddon if we left by the rich and the media propaganda (paid for by the rich), because it is the rich who stand to lose more when we leave.

Before the EU vote this country (UK) was a country that was going one way, the rich stood to gain from remaining in the EU, (cheaper EU labour, a shortage of affordable housing forcing up rents to make the landlords richer), the UK was heading back to the Victorian era where the rich political classes were in the ascendancy, now I know we face some tough times but IMO the future is brighter and the young in this country will be more thankful.  They stand more of a chance of owning their own home here because if we can now get control over our immigration we can be more in control of planning housing, education, health etc........
Because to truly be able to plan for these things you need to be able to have some idea on numbers and we don't.....I live near London, the hospitals, schools, roads are overcrowded, the cost of housing is astronomical, demand outstrips supply over and over..............

As for the US elections, as I said I don't know enough, what I do know is Donald Trump undoubtedly courted the disaffected and maybe the uneducated but also he appealed to a lot more educated people, a lot of people caught in the poverty trap, a lot of people who were sick of career politicians and a vote for Hilary Clinton would have been voting for more of the same politics the US had for years and which had failed a lot of people.......

Personally I don't like the man (Trump) I think he is totally arrogant, but time will tell what sort of president he will be............BUT it is my opinion if the world had kept on going the way it was, with career politicians and unelected bureaucrats we would have sleep walked into a type of dominant communism which would have seen the rich and career politicians getting even more richer and more powerful, which in my book is far scarier than has what happened today..

Who knows what is going to happen going forward, but I have more belief in the power of the oppressed than I ever have and I feel that in 20-30 years time we will look back on what has happened today and with brexit and seeing it as a good day for democracy,  because these events have finally killed the arrogance of the political classes and the rich

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#49: November 09, 2016, 12:48:15 PM
I'm an Independent, I didn't vote for Obama or HIllary, YET, he did clean up the mess that was made from the privious administration. I give credit where it's due.

It somewhat amazes me people have such hatred for a healthcare system  that would actually benefit them?

No matter what the news lies to you about, Hillary did nothing wrong in Bengazi nor were anything wrong in her emails.

That man who I will NEVER call my president only had roughly 30% of his own state. what does that tell you?

I feel disenfranchised, dissatisfied, and it boggle my mind for a long time to come. I'll make sure I don't leave where I live now while still in this country, I won't be welcomed. The numbers are clear.
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