[osb]

OP, you say the world is too divided, and can't get along. But I would put it to you that this board is a microcosm of the world. And we do get along, we respect each others' differing values, we can care for and support each other... as long as we remember to treat each other as individuals, and not lump people into groups and start screaming at 'em in all caps.

Thundarr, this is not your living room. It is in fact a public board. It is not limited to Christians. I know of Jewish posters, Muslim posters, Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists. We are individuals. We have names, and feelings. What you are saying about one faith group is shocking, inexplicable and hurtful. To be frank, if I were to post that "Christians are bloodthirsty! One in 5 want to invade other countries and kill people!! They pull off women's clothes!! They SHOOT INNOCENT PEOPLE in temples and mosques!!!", you'd tell me, legitimately, that I was Completely Barking Loony. Even though I could point to headlines in Canada and the US for each of these instances. But truly, I'm not silly enough to judge the whole Christian faith by the worst examples of their number, because I have met and cherished the best of their number - every one of you. Thundarr, you could perhaps afford to get to know a few folks outside of your bubble. As it is, you're being remarkably inhospitable here.

Deny facts all you will.  I present neither opinion nor conjecture but rather actual facts , logic and reason.  I'll continue to advocate for keeping you and your family's safe even while you continue to live in a bubble. 

Er, please don't. Spare us the paternalism.

[Roma]

My question is WHY is Trump and his followers still talking about votes? He won the election! It's over. Now it's time for him to govern! Or did he miss that memo?

My point was always Trump wanted to WIN, yet not govern. He proves me right every time he talks about his electoral college 'win'.

It's time to move on from any silly election talk. He is no longer a candidate.

[Roma]

I received this in my inbox and was asked to share it here.



http://www.karmatube.org/videos.php?id=7434

Thinking about our American friends, and hoping that the values of inclusion, life, liberty and the opportunity to pursue happiness prevail.....

Thoughts?

[Thundarr]

You continue to misrepresent the issue.  I have zero prejudice or fear of Muslims.  What I do have is knowledge and firsthand accounts from those who have lived, served and grew up there.  I have a good friend shoo is Iraqi and worked with our troops as a guide and translator before moving himself and his family here.  He's now as big a Trump supporter as I am and will be the first to tell you how long any of you would survive on the streets of Iraq.  I have military friends who have served in those countries and speak well of the people but state full well how many there are who would kill an American in a heartbeat.  THOSE are who we want to keep out, not the moderates.  How is it you do not comprehend this?

And as far as "fear" goes, I'm not sure if that's an attack on me as a man or part of the liberal narrative that implies anyone who disagrees with them does so out of fear or hatred.  Sorry, but there's no "phobia" here and, while we're at it, those who believe in traditional marriage do not "fear" homosexuality.  Find a new narrative, folks.  That one's old, tired and worn out and justcanother reason why the liberal platform was banished in November.  You're beating a dead horse.

[Thundarr]

Oh, and btw, let's assume that most people on the sothside of Chicago or the ghetto areas of big cities are good people and that only other blacks need to worry about crime there.  Now, who volunteers to go to those areas and take some selfies there today?  Go ahead, walk around.  Spend some time safe in the knowledge that you're insulated from the world around you. 

[xyzcf]

Pope Francis also is has expressed several times how we are to treat one another:

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/muslim-refugee-hails-pope-francis-as-the-example-of-religion-84365/
 
“(He is) very open to all of the cultures, all of the religions, and he sets an example for all the religious people in the world, because he uses religion to serve the human being.”

“Pope Francis talks a lot about creating bridges and not walls."

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-encourages-meeting-of-popular-movements-in-california-89704/

“No people is criminal and no religion is terrorist,” Pope Francis then said. “Christian terrorism does not exist, Jewish terrorism does not exist, and Muslim terrorism does not exist. They do not exist. No people is criminal or drug-trafficking or violent.”

He recognized, however, that “there are fundamentalist and violent individuals in all peoples and religions – and with intolerant generalizations they become stronger because they feed on hate and xenophobia.”

In the face of this crisis, he said Christians have an opportunity to impact the world: “We also find an opportunity: that the light of the love of neighbor may illuminate the Earth with its stunning brightness like a lightning bolt in the dark.”

He ended his message in reference to the prayer of Saint Francis of Assisi: “let us give everything of ourselves: where there is hatred, let us sow love; where there is injury, let us sow pardon; where there is discord, let us sow unity; where there is error, let us sow truth.”

[osb]

Oh, and btw, let's assume that most people on the sothside of Chicago or the ghetto areas of big cities are good people and that only other blacks need to worry about crime there.  Now, who volunteers to go to those areas and take some selfies there today?  Go ahead, walk around.  Spend some time safe in the knowledge that you're insulated from the world around you. 

Doofus, I lived and worked in south side Chicago for 3 years. You get as much love as you give. Please. Stop it. I don't know how to say this more plainly: you are sounding bigoted, and offensive. Please permit us to believe better of you.

[Not Applicable]

I lived on the South Side of Chicago for nearly a decade and I am not black.

I have lived in one of those countries that you want to screen the citizens from for more than a decade and a half.

What you have is secondhand opinions from one Iraqi and a bunch of Americans who participated in the invasion and occupation of Iraq.

I have more than half a lifetime of firsthand EXPERIENCE.

If that is what counts, then I rest my case.

[evas]

So many people here are trying to open your eyes Thundarr.

Now go get that passport and go visit the world and befriend some people from other religions and cultures. People are actually quite wonderful out there and are NOT out to kill you.

[Roma]

Thundarr,

THESE are the Muslims  that Travel Ban is keeping out. Syrian refugees.

Trump is stereotyping everyone and it's highly offensive. Including people from 'ghettos' in Chicago.   And YES very good people come from 'ghettos'!