[Savoir Faire]

Really interesting stuff, thanks 1phoenix!!

I am four years into this and remember asking here on the forum about the eyes, my H  used to have lighter green eyes and they turned black, or near enough.  His facial muscles twitched and he huffed and puffed as he talked,  sometimes it was similar to watching the hulk when he turned into monster.  His shoulders rounded and rose from his back as he began to spit his venom. It's no wonder we are frightened of them in this state.

Mine did get physically violent at times, once pushing me physically and sometimes smashing at something of throwing my possessions to show how much he hated me.  His constant rants to show how I was crazy and needed a psychiatrist went on and on but it was him who was displaying the out of control mania and psychotic behaviour, while I stood by in absolute shock that someone who used to be a pacifist could turn into a totally different person.

There was no doubt in my mind that when displaying such wild behaviour , he could have killed me if I had argued with him so I stayed very calm and allowed him to rant.  He never really yelled, it was more like a guttural grown and moaning with often, clenched teeth and crazy eyes, spitting as he growled.

More like a wild animal than a man.  At the slightest provocation, his eyes would morph into those of a person I had never met before.

Most of his rants were aimed at letting me know I was in need of "professional help" and urging me to see someone who could "put me right".

I saw ALL his rants as total projection of his own feelings towards himself.

Anyone want to question if MLC is real??  In mine, it's a psychosis.

[Milly]

Savoir Faire, I saw very similar traits in mine. He would rage, it was a guttural anger, I thought he would self combust at times. He growled and his whole body shook. He would throw furniture out the window or against the wall.  And his eyes turned slitty and black. I had looked this up on the internet in the past but had not found anything. Very interesting post of Phoenix regarding the physical changes in the eye colour. I totally believe it because I've seen it and as my H's eyes are normally light blue so there's no confusion for me when they seem like black holes. There's no colour anywhere.

[dogwalker]

Interesting. Black eyes wide and open when she was putting the knife in.
I though she was on something. But Adrenalin would also explain. It was always durring BD 1,2,3 and when asking for Divorce or "I want my money" talks

[LEC16]

When I first noticed the eyes on a conscious level was when I came home one night and saw a kind look in her eyes. I asked her to come over to me, she did and we started kissing passionately. I never doubted that she was her old self and would want it. The thing is that shortly after the wind changed direction so to speak and her eyes looked different and the moment was gone. During our reconciliation she looked more normal, but when she came home one evening after spending the afternoon with a friend I saw the shark eyes and knew she was gone again.

[megogirl]

So I'm watching GMA, and a woman is recounting her rape by Harvey Weinstein.

She mentions how he left the room right before, and when he returns he's disrobed and "his eyes were black."  So apparently, rapists adopt shark eyes, too.

What happens, physiologically, to have their eyes turn this way? 

[Not Applicable]

I'm not sure I like the fact that you are comparing our spouses to an alleged rapist. 

[in it]

Found this one article online:

For the first time, police officers on Monday gave a public moment-by-moment account of accused Aurora shooter James Holmes’ arrest, as part of a hearing that touched on whether Holmes is mentally fit to stand trial. Officer Jason Oviatt described Holmes as “very relaxed” after the shooting, noting that Holmes had extremely dilated pupils. Are dilated pupils a sign of mental illness?

Not a good one. Dilation of the pupils can reflect not just the lighting conditions in a room but the thoughts and feelings of a person, mentally ill or not. For example, dilated pupils can indicate sexual arousal, as when making eyes at a comely Explainerette. Psychologists sometimes study the expansion and contraction of the pupils to find an objective measure of the mind’s inner processes, in something called pupillometry. This practice has been used to study everything from racial bias to sexual preference to what happens when the mind puzzles over a difficult math problem.

However, while pupillometry has been used to study aspects of mental illness including schizophrenia, and while psychologists began observing pupil dilation among the mentally ill more than 100 years ago, pupil dilation on its own is not a good indicator of psychosis or other mental illness. Pupil dilation is regulated by the sympathetic nervous system, the part of the body that controls our fight-or-flight response. So even when psychosis causes changes in pupil dilation, such as by triggering an excited state of fear or anger, the dilation itself is identical to dilation in the non-mentally ill. Moreover, just as with sane people, the pupils return to normal once the state is over.

Dilation of the pupils can also be a side effect of using certain drugs. For example, LSD and mescaline both cause pupil dilation. Some people who suffer from mental illness may find themselves with dilated pupils caused by treatment with prescribed antipsychotic medications.

In the search for more objective, physiological signs of schizophrenia, other aspects of the eyes have also been studied, with mixed results. At least one study purported to find particular groups of facial features, including small eyes and narrow openings between the eyelids, in two subgroups of schizophrenics, but most psychiatrists don’t think such findings are useful. Researchers in the United Kingdom recently developed a computer model that could separate out a group of schizophrenics by tracking abnormalities in the movement of their eyes. However, so far the test isn’t accurate enough to be used for diagnosis.

[megogirl]

Oh well perhaps your spouse is not a violent Monster in Monster....but mine IS and HAS sexually assaulted me, twice.

I found that black-eye connection interesting, that is all.

[Thunder]

Some people on line were talking about this, just the other day.  They had abusers.  This was their take.

"Actually, the reason for this is the pupil dilates and changes sizes. Very angry people have been known for their eyes to appear to turn black, but its just the changing of the size of the pupil. Certain drugs can cause this effect as well as changes in blood pressure.  This is also been called shark eyes."

I only saw those black eyes on my H once.
We were walking in a grocery store and I turned to say something and his eyes were pitch black (he has dark brown eyes anyway).
I asked him what was wrong.  He was seething mad because this guy behind him kept ramming his cart into his ankles, until he turned and told him to back up with his cart.

I told him later I never want you to look like that way me, it was scary.   They were the blackest eyes I've ever seen.

That's all I got.   

[megogirl]

Ok so when one is in a state of rage, the pupils dilate.  That makes sense.

Didn't mean to piss you off, Goner.  You do seem to have it in for me though (?!)