[1phoenix]

Been noticing that we all seem to see that the eyes of our MLC spouse are 'vacant'.  There seems to be something missing from them.  Almost dead.  No matter what or where the picture is from.

So, anyone not have vacant MLC spouse?

When have you noticed the vacancy go away?

Hopefully this is not a thread that has already been started.

[beyondblessed]

My xh's were lit up like Christmas lights.  It looked like he ate straight coffee grounds and washed them down with a Monster energy drink.  He's definitely high on something at times.  Must be love.  lol

[OneHotMess]

I can tell what kind of night we will have just by looking at his eyes. It's is crazy and scarey!!

[Velika]

In my mind this is biggest sign this is neurological. Anjae has written about this somewhere too, but apparently a recovered MLCer returns to normal eye appearance.

My friend told me her mom worked as a nurse among psychiatric patients and said since then she can always tell if someone is mentally unwell via the eyes.

[Kintsugi]

The only time I noticed vacant eyes was recently when I found a family vacation photo from 2014 and he looked like he wasn't even there.  Strange.

[Whyus]

The eyes, I literally $h!te myself the first time I saw them.
It was BD. W was acting wierd so whlst in bed I asked if she loved me out of the darkness. The light went on, I saw the eyes and she said "no, i dont know, i dont thinks so, no I dont"! That was the end of 19,5 marriage. She hasnt been herself since  .
So sad

[Milly]

I definitely know when monster has taken over my H because he's eyes are black or colourless. The one time my H was himself, the very fist thing I noticed was that his eyes were light blue that day. I'd almost forgotten they were blue.

The black eyes really remind me of carnival masks because the eyes are just black holes.

[Not Applicable]

My husband's eyes are dark to begin with so I am not sure I see it so much. Although he was insulting me about a half hour ago and I looked straight at his eyes while he did it and one eye almost seemed to be looking in a different direction from the other.

What I do notice is something in his facial expression overall, the muscles. There's a certain smile I just have not seen since all this started, maybe even before BD. I can tell when he is just not approachable. All the muscles in his face look tense. Not wrinkled up in any way, just stiff.

[MsMedfly]

Puffy had shark eyes... They grew more creepy and scary every time I saw him, after BD...

I've looked back at pictures, up to two years before BD and I can see the evolution. His hair, eyes, skin, all of it, changed into something dark and evil. Add in the cosmetic changes, i.e. clothes, new tattoos, etc and I don't recognize him, at all!!!

[1phoenix]

Hmmmmm....look at this....


Three Clues to Recognize Mania in the Eyes

Here are three clues you can use to recognize mania in yourself, in a loved one or in a client. It’s important to remember that mania is devious. I can tell you for a fact that when I’m manic, I want to make you think I’m not. I will say and do anything to make you believe me, “I’m just finally better! Do you want me to stay depressed! This is the real me! Get off my back!” If mania makes us lie to ourselves- think of how great we can be when lying to the people who want to help us! This is why looking for physical clues is a good first step if you’re trying to figure out if someone is manic.

Clue #1  Sparkling Eyes in Euphoric Mania: Euphoric mania often creates a shimmering quality to the liquid in the eyes. We sparkle! When I look in the mirror during a euphoric manic episode, I’m entranced with my face. I see NO flaws. My skin is perfect. My eyes are brilliant. My hair shines. Believe it or not, this is often physically true as well. Mania does make those changes. I have seen what look like silver, shimmering flicks in the whites of my eyes when euphoric. People find this very attractive. We all know how easy it is to get a relationship when you’re euphoric. How we look at people is a big part of this. We focus these sparkling eyes on our unsuspecting prey and they are lost!

Clue #2 Darker Eyes in Dysphoric Mania: Once I started asking clients to notice eye changes in a loved one,  I heard many stories of how dysphoric mania turned the eyes black. I tried to figure this out on my own, and finally asked an eye doctor about it. She said, “Oh, I’m not surprised by that. It’s documented that adrenaline can make the pupil take over the eye. Mania sounds like it’s something to do with adrenaline, so I would think the eye is the same color, but the pupil is huge. This creates the the all black eye.”

Clue #3  The Eyes Change Shape: The eyes can widen with euphoric mania and often get mean and narrow with dysphoric mania. I’m not talking about a few minutes of this- the changes can last for months. I know my own dysphoric mania makes me as mean as a snake and as suspicious as a jealous husband. Suspicion narrows the eyes and purses the lips. In contract, I’m open to the world when euphoric and this widens my eyes. I have seen it in pictures. My entire face brightens in euphoric mania, so it makes sense I would open my eyes wider as well.

A thought to ponder: People also report actual eye color changes when manic. One reader sent me a picture where her normal blue eyes turned brown during a dysphoric mania episode. It wasn’t the pupil. I’m interested to see what you find in your own eyes. Let me know in the comments section if you have noticed changes in your eyes when manic or if you see this happen in someone you know.