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MLC Monster Re: appropriate consequences
#20: June 13, 2011, 08:58:43 PM
Consequences for Dearheart
If I don't like it I remove myself or ignore behaviours.  If he pushes too hard like last monster I fix the situation so it removed his "power".  after  last monster he lost a hugeamount of his so called control.  I think that was why monster lasted 2 weeks.

Other than that I am not his mummy.

although admittedly if I like what he's doing i try and encourage those behaviours LOL.

Watch out for Shantilly Lace... MLCer trainer extraordinaire

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SL is giving important advice here.

The more power you can reclaim for yourself the better.  MLCers love power but ultimately they LOSE it as the LBS moves forward.  Then they exert it somewheres else...hopefully with OW  :)

If there behavior is getting abusive or direspectful (follow your gut) here there comes a point where you remove yourself from it and gather strength.  This is DARK, DIM and NO CONTACt.  You can't control what they'll do but you can control your exposure to it.  These things help with detachment and LBS healing

Yes some behaviors should just be ignored as no one will change them but the MLCer and sometimes it will give these behaviors power.

Your intution will come into play about these issues and you need to listen as each MLCer is different and each situation. 
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Re: appropriate consequences
#21: June 13, 2011, 10:12:51 PM
SL, you really are MLC-trainer extrordinaire...   

Another small lightbulb for me.  I realised that I've actually been doing some things that way.  Like last monster letter -- I delicately "popped" it back over the net....   

And went on with life.  OK, he didn't see the turmoil that I went through, but that is the idea. 

This really is an unbelievable "ride". 

Thank you -- that was good. 
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Re: appropriate consequences
#22: June 14, 2011, 12:51:14 PM
Truth_seeker:  Is FOO family of origin?  If so is it a typical MLC trait to start spending more time with Family of Origin?  If so that clinches it with me that this is MLC, not that I had many doubts!  I don't think I'll be a Stander, but this site still helps me make some sense of it all.  I like many of you would still LOVE to see my XH come crawling back just so I could turn him down.  I'm hoping to carve out a better life than what I could have with him.  Maybe a more compatible match will come into my life one day...who knows?  I just try to remember that I wasn't exactly "happy" with the way things were in my marriage or my husband, but I would never have walked away.  Now that my kids are used to us being apart, I don't think I could ever go back.  A book I recently bought and loved was "Divorce Sucks", extremely funny, but with some great perspective!
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Re: appropriate consequences
#23: June 14, 2011, 04:14:57 PM
Phoenixwoman1

I understand you may not be Standing, but here is an article from this website about the desire to have the MLCer come crawling back.

http://www.midlifecrisismarriageadvocate.com/standing-actions_coming-and-going_wanting-more.html
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Re: appropriate consequences
#24: June 14, 2011, 06:54:38 PM
Quote from: phoenixwoman1
Truth_seeker:  Is FOO family of origin?  If so is it a typical MLC trait to start spending more time with Family of Origin?  If so that clinches it with me that this is MLC, not that I had many doubts!  I don't think I'll be a Stander, but this site still helps me make some sense of it all.  I like many of you would still LOVE to see my XH come crawling back just so I could turn him down.  I'm hoping to carve out a better life than what I could have with him.  Maybe a more compatible match will come into my life one day...who knows?  I just try to remember that I wasn't exactly "happy" with the way things were in my marriage or my husband, but I would never have walked away.  Now that my kids are used to us being apart, I don't think I could ever go back.  A book I recently bought and loved was "Divorce Sucks", extremely funny, but with some great perspective!

Yes FOO is family of origin.  Since MLC is a crisis of identity the MLCer will go again through a part of their development they missed growing up whether through trauma, abandonment, lack of love or any number of other issues they may not have properly dealt with growing up.  In my case, my H was the product of 2 Divorces from both his parents.  Never felt the bond or love he should have growing up.  MIL is narcissistic and FIL abandoned H and BIL for another W and her kids. I could go on but I won't bore you with the details.  It's in my threads if you're interested.   ;)

As for standing it not about giving up.  Standing is for YOU to figure things out for yourself when you are ready.  Believe me, what you say now may not be what you feel or say later on as this progresses.  It gives you time to find out who phoenixwoman1 really is.  Focus on yourself and I believe in the end everything will work out as it should.  With or without your xH. 

Much love to you!
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Re: appropriate consequences
#25: June 15, 2011, 06:30:48 AM
Talk about being "too strong" it was the SAME for me; my husband told me he wanted to be needed; and in his eyes I didn't NEED him.  I insisted that I did; but he was determined that I didn't; pointing out that I never asked him for help with anything; and maybe, wrongly, at that time, I pointed out that when I asked, he refused, and when I didn't ask, he got mad, so, I couldn't win for losing...that bought me the silent treatment, and more rejection from him.

It took me some time to figure it out; but for a period of time; after the affair ended; and he turned back toward me; I figured out that I HAD to become the OPPOSITE of what I had been; if only to meet that temporarily changed need for a time...and this was hard for me; because I was that strong...but for awhile, had to hide that strength within myself FROM him; act AS IF I were weak.

One of the lessons we learn, is not only to give help but to ASK for help, too; even if we don't want to.

While my husband was involved in his affair; I could NOT reach him; it was only AFTER the affair that I was able to show him the weakness he was looking for; so he would FEEL needed....in a sense, I became a weak "OW" only WITHOUT the sniveling, emotional problems, and such.  I showed myself as the better option in the hopes that he would figure it out.

In time, as I continued to figure this out, I became able to put aside for a time, the sense of responsibility; although I still carried it, and things still got done behind the scenes; I learned to not burden him with anything like that; and just became fun; flirty; and asked him for help with anything and everything.  I literally ATTRACTED him that way.

The strength in me showed again; but not until much later; when he really needed to see it in me.  If I had stayed "weak" beyond the time I needed to stay weak; he would have run away AGAIN; and I knew that; just as I knew what he needed at any given time...and met that need in him.

It sounds like I stayed twisted up into a pretzel; but I didn't; like the bough of the tree, I learned to sway with the wind; turning one way, then the other.

This is all about meeting changing needs within the MLC spouse; the majority of men need to be needed; and because they perceive the LBS doesn't "need" them; they do go off and look somewhere else; it's wrong; but it happens; it happened to me, too.

I really was told that I was TOO strong; and didn't need him...and at first I didn't understand; but later, I did; as I learned to execute 180's for a temporary time in certain aspects.

I was willing to do WHATEVER it took to navigate us through to calmer waters; and it did help to know what I was dealing with; knowledge was power; and it still is.  :)

In that willingness, however, I did NOT compromise my morals, values, nor my beliefs; and I was never called upon to compromise those.

And this, too, is all about timing within the crisis; there is a right time to show certain things; become temporarily in certain aspects, someone who is the OPPOSITE of what they were, knowing it won't last; but is necessary; because the MLC spouse is also on that quest to find that person they wish to spend the rest of their life with; and sometimes, it involves being someone for awhile you don't exactly like; like me not liking the weakness in me that had to come out to be seen, but it's all for the greater good; I saw that it was all good; this was the kind of help, my husband needed, in order to get past certain obstacles in his journey.


I know this is confusing; but I did this; didn't like it; but did it; and succeeded in attracting him.  I had to lay my pride aside; my hurt feelings, and my perception of him aside, in order to begin this part of the process; and I wasn't certain it would work; but He said it would; so I did it, as He guided me through that part of the process.

It's all food for thought...and timing is everything. :)

One more thing; in a DIFFERENT aspect; the LBS is the stanchion,(Pillar of Strength), the Lighthouse; and the only person that stands steady for the MLC'er; and they DO recognize this; even as they do their opposite types of behaviors, say a number of things to try and influence the LBS to do some of things they are doing; or even try to run them off, yet, the LBS, in the MLC'er's eyes, is the STRONG one; that is WHY some continue to return; or "check" on the LBS as the crisis goes along...deep within, the MLC'er sees the LBS as that Rock they can count on.

Love,
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