[onmyfeet]

Deirdre Bair wrote a New York Times op-ed article about the Gores' divorce at this link: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/04/opinion/04bair.html?src=me&ref=general.

Here's what one commenter wrote. I think it's articulate and accurate (except the part about the "feminist manifesto" which I think is unnecessary.)

I've read Ms. Bair's book...and others. I can speak from experience. As a 53 year old traditional Husband and Father, my lovely wife left me after 30 years. You don't hear the male perspective frankly. Her decision destroyed a family of four. My two sons were taught that humans are disposable, commitments don't matter, self-fufillment and freedom are more important to explore than marital continuity. And we wonder why our children don't see point or purpose in staying the course? Dedication to a marriage is sacrosanct in nearly every society that is faith-based. How is it that one spouse can decide the fate of all involved and get paid for it all the while? Men who leave for a new younger woman are true pigs in my opinion. Women who leave because they can seem to express the ultimate feminist manifesto. Its ironic if one abandons a pet, they can be charged with a crime. In marriage, if you don't like the dog, abandon it, get your money and get a new dog. The collateral damage from selfish actions is mind boggling. Simply Google "divorce and suicide" and you'd be stunned at the numbers. I love my wife still. I can only have hope. She was the foundation of our family like most every family I know. Rather than applauding divorce at any time in a marriage, why can we not applaud marriage, family, commitment, continuity, connectedness and belonging to something greater than self?

[LifeGoesOn]

Has anyone heard Mel Gibson's monster rant to his OW? WOW

It never should have been released, but b/c of the MLC connection (does anyone doubt that is what he has been going thru?) I am glued to it.

I cheered and understood some of what he said. (ie., "I left my wife for you!) That I did, scared me! I like seeing the karma bus hit OW. I know this is terrible to admit. Does that make me an awful person?

[ForeverHopefulOne]

Haha - LGO, that does not make you a terrible person!  You are human.  I just wish I had given that karma bus a little push - oh, did I say that out loud??

[LettingGo]

Oh, MAN, I am so glad you started this thread!! I wanted to, but was afraid I'd be chastised for wandering into judgement, etc. I'd bet money that Mel has been in MLC for years!! Devoted husband and family man with 7 or 8 kids (or whatever) super religious and pious starts cheating, drinking and ranting in public - THEN, OW "accidentally on purpose to get him away from wife" gets pregnant because we ALL know how the cheaters are concerned about protection, etc. and LO and BEHOLD when she doesn't solve all of his problems (which are obviously deep) he turns his wrath to HER!! Well, cry me a river. At least she will have his money. And while we're on the subject, how about LEANNE RHIMES!!! Sorry for the hurt she caused in her affair but not sorry for the result!!! Time to bring back the scarlet A in my opinion. Sorry, just a touchy subject with me right now...

[trusting]

And is there any doubt that Jon Gosselin (of Jon and Kate Plus is having a raging MLC?

[HeartsBlessing]

Oh, MAN, I am so glad you started this thread!! I wanted to, but was afraid I'd be chastised for wandering into judgement, etc.

Why would you think that?  The Bible says to "Judge not, let ye be judged; whatever judgement ye mete out shall be meted back to you"(Paraphrase)..yet, if we didn't exercise some form of judgement on a daily basis, we would wander into all sorts of things.

We judge people by their actions, and because of what they say, and that is a different kind of judgement; one that is encouraged...through that, we know what to stay away from or be drawn to.  The Bible also says to "test the spirits", as all do not come from Him.

I find myself doing that quite a bit as I walk this life.    If someone says something you know is against God's Word; you are to challenge them on it...as His Word is truth. 

The judging verse simply means if we judge someone, by their actions or otherwise, we will be judged by the person we've done it to, or even by another person; if that makes sense.

God will ultimately judge in the end...but no one on this earth has a right to tell someone where they are going when they die..that's the kind of judgement I stay strictly away from.  No one knows the hearts of people except the Lord.

Anyway, I heard an excerpt of Mel Gibson's recorded phone call to his girlfriend; and you're right; he's deep within the tunnel; has lost total control of himself...and will pay dearly in the death of his career..from what the news report says and thinks.

I didn't have any trouble recognizing his voice; and was a little shocked at what I was hearing. 

I actually liked Mel Gibson, too.

Trusting, I don't know about Jon Gosselin..but it's a possibility.

Y'all are funny with the "karma bus" talk, LOL!!!

Be assured that what comes around, does indeed, go around; all in good time.
 

[Buggy31]

I really think that Jon Gosselin is in MLC.  When you watch the episode from last year, just before they seperated you can see and hear a man deeply depressed.  You also see him dressing like a teenager and the "eyes" there is so much in the eyes.  He has also displayed lots of antics and drama.  I've been watching thier story closely because I'm interested to see where it will go.  He recently moved to an apt closer to Kate and the kids.

[trusting]

Buggy, I have been watching closely too (but not the show anymore) as their timeline is so similar to mine.  I noticed the same thing about the depression and he certainly has the antics down. 

[Still]

I don't know about Jon Gosselin..but it's a possibility.

I remember watching an interview with Jon regarding a "midlife crisis". He said something to the effect that he was only 30 when his feelings changed and didn't believe it had anything to do with a crisis.

[ForeverHopefulOne]

Honestly, I think Kate belittled Jon A LOT on TV.  That can wear on anyone!  She never showed any respect for him and I think he just got sick of it.  I don't agree with how he handled it; however, if I was treated that way on TV, I would be a little upset too.