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Jo Jo, please expand on what her h has to say about ow.  I think it helps us all not to 2nd guess ourselves.
my h ow actually had a pic of herself and my h in the middle of a collage with MY  kids pics surrounding them. (she has 4 kids of her own)   how sick is that.

What did you want to know?  Obviously I only can go by what H has told me.  While I do believe he’s come clean and he’s done with the complete lies I do question if he is holding back in what he says.  Maybe not even purposely holding back but sometimes I think he is so busy trying to move past this that he doesn’t want to give any energy to the past and he’s not going back there. 
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January 2017 BD he says he's seeing a lawyer about divorce
February 2017 OW confirmed but H doesn't know I know yet...affair began July 2014, when he decided things were bad
February 2017 I filed for divorce
March 2017 H FINALLY  admitted OW and said it was over
May 2017 H moved out
June 2017 New therapist who mentioned reconciliation as an option and we began "dating"
June 2017 dropped divorce case/H fired OW/we began serious reconciliation
May 2018 lease up on apartment and H is back home full time
Currently still seeing therapist once a month, still working through the issues we had with communication that led up to our disconnection

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I can see that sense of being really, really known Nerissa that comes from a long happy marriage where you were loved.
Of course in crisis, I suspect that is almost the opposite of what they want...they DON'T want someone who knows them so they can be free to be someone different.

With time, some may realise - as we LBS do - that what they throw away is irreplaceable. And lots of the first spouses will choose to no longer provide that service.
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H diagnosed with severe depression Oct 15. BD May 16. OW since April 16, maybe earlier. Silent vanisher mostly.
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It is very funny and odd to me that there are so many similarities between OW as a general rule. I remember when I first found out about Ow. She was complete polar opposite to me and it confused the heck out of me. Now it all makes sense.

But if this is a game or winning to OW. Why do they go through with marriage? Doesn’t that defeat the object!? As that’s a serious thing for a game!
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Ultimate win and proof of being the special real soulmate?
Plus quite a lot of attention and a party?
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T: 18  M: 12 (at BD) No kids.
H diagnosed with severe depression Oct 15. BD May 16. OW since April 16, maybe earlier. Silent vanisher mostly.
Divorced April 18. XH married ow 6 weeks later.


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Yeah that makes sense actually. Never thought of it like that.

Also as we all seem to have Ow that stalk and copy us. Do our MLCers notice this? Do they see how f*cked up it is or do they enjoy it?

Me personally if I was with someone and they tried morphing into my ex. I would be very weary and big alarm bells would be going off. Do they have a say in the copying? Or is it all Ow?
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BD & MLCer moved out - November 2017
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Moved in with Ow - November 2019
Ow met children - December 2019

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The OW in my situation is totally different.  She totally has me blocked on all social media sites.  I don't mind at all because I don't want to see what she is up too.  However, she is pretty much still a secret in H's world and I believe he doesn't know that I know she is back.

OW moved out of town, H followed, H moved back, OW followed but from what I am told, her social media status still says she is living elsewhere.  H and OW do nothing in our hometown to close by.  Will drive 30 mins to 2 hours away to go out and do things.  A mutual friend tells me he does this out of respect for me.  Asked her why she thinks this but she won't say.  Said it is not her feelings, just something she knows.  Ok...my brain wants to put 2 and 2 together.

She does not try to confront me, have any contact with me or comment on anything I post nor do I have any interest in her.  I have not banned her from any social media that I have.  I just don't care if she looks or not.  I do not air out my dirty laundry on any social sites.  Just fun things...like date nights with GS, inspirational and funny memes too.  So if she wants to look.  Go ahead.  Should she ever get mean or vindictive I wouldn't have a problem blocking her.  I almost feel like she knows she can't live up to my standards so she is avoiding me at all costs.  Not saying she is a bad person.  She is a professional but she chooses a "low" lifestyle where as I choose a more "wholesome" lifestyle.  aka not taking home any man that shows interest.

H shut down his FB account and has snap and IG only.  She commented on a few posts at the very beginning I am told, but since then...nothing.  Almost like she is trying to keep the whole affair a secret too.

Truth be told, I have nothing but empathy for her.  She has to have so little value in herself that she finds it acceptable to not only go after but stay in a relation with a man who is married and says he has no intention of EVER marrying her.  Hence...no committment ever.  She has never really had any relationship that lasts more than 3 to 5 years...she is now over 50 and her pickings get slimmer and slimmer.  She has a terrible reputation for being a bar fly but that doesn't seem to matter either.

I am told that her FB posts consist primarily of pics of herself alone, nature picks and occassionally her GS.

Should she ever try to contact me, I would be civil and kindly tell her I have no interest in what she has to say, now or ever because she means nothing to me and I don't want to hear her spew. 

As far as their affair, I know it won't last.  She doesn't know my real H.  In fact, when they were out of the area, he posted a pic on IG that she took....he looked horrible and she never stopped him from posting it.  When I say horrible....I mean he looked really really really bad.  No smile, sunken eyes and cheeks, color was off.  So this is the man she knows and claims to LUV...have at it.  She is doing nothing for him and definately making things worse or him and not better.  This pic was taken 2 weeks after he left the area to go and join the LUV of his life.  I can see how happy that made him. 


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10.29.17 BD-Moved out to OW/A began in  6.17
3.5.18 OW moved away/H moved in with F
3.19.18  H moved home
7.14.18  Moved to be with OW
9.4.18  Moved back-At Parents 
11.1.18  OW back.  H living w/her in D's basement 
11.18 - H started visiting on holidays
11.26.18 Call from H.  BIL died suddenly.
1.19 - H announced  that he moved to sisters
2.19  H volunteers to house and dog sit whenever.
Spring 19  H visiting house and doing chores on a regular basis
7.20 OW2 Confirmed  5 hrs away 
Summer of 2020 Less help with chores
Early Spring 2021 - helping with chores again then stopped and is getting more distant gradually
9/21 distancing growing worse...hardly see or hear from H
4/22 getting in touch more but sporadically

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My OW posted a similar photo of H too. She’s posted photo of his hands holding a coffee cup despite the fact he has self harm marks all over his hands 🤷🏻‍♀️ I can’t figure out why she did that to this day.
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He told me the affair was about attention and being seen.  But he said he regrets it terribly.  He had spoken to his first wife for an hour the previous week as he often does.  He said that when he needs to speak about something it is she he calls and he cannot talk to his second wife in the same way.  He felt it was about history and truly being known.


No truer words. I have noticed a lot of this personally with Beast. Coming to me with deep emotional issues. Stuff you just don't share with your ''ex'' anything. Yet here he was ignoring me day to day, but when the $h!te hits then fan..it's me he comes to.  ???

There is a reason I say I felt we are on the same wave length.  That connection I just have never found with anyone else. The connection Beast always seemed so afraid of. And you have described it perfectly. The feeling of being known. Truly known. All your beauty and flaws and foils and joys and sorrows. A soul deep knowing.

It is so easy with your first high school sweet heart. You fall madly in love, you share anything and everything. You know each others histories and then you grow up into adults together.

No matter what OW he picked, he could never re simulate that. What he could re simulate was the carefree, responsibility free, younger period of our life. Dump the kids on me because he knows I am a good mom. And run off to do whatever it is he feels he needs to do to fix the gaping chasm inside himself. Who would have thought that getting rid of me wasn't he answer?  ;)

I can see that sense of being really, really known Nerissa that comes from a long happy marriage where you were loved.
Of course in crisis, I suspect that is almost the opposite of what they want...they DON'T want someone who knows them so they can be free to be someone different.

With time, some may realise - as we LBS do - that what they throw away is irreplaceable. And lots of the first spouses will choose to no longer provide that service.

Another banger. Beast has said as much. That I am apparently stronger, more opinionated, and call him on his BS. He needs be around women who are more pliable and believe his $h!te. He needs to lie. He needs to change who he is, because he so full of self loathing and a bottomless pit of no self esteem...he needs a cheering fan filled adoration squad to feel anything. Your wife of 15 years loving and adoring you is boring. Been going on for ages. But the (insert ridiculous age) co worker/gym partner/lunatic who squeals and adores the fake you?! Perfect for escaping.

I have also told him what we had was irreplaceable. It can't be recreated, or relieved. You can't just pick another person, and get a re do. Life doesn't work that way. And I have lost count of how many times he has said ''things are different'' with her. How they don't share the same sense of humour, or he can't talk about certain things....because that would be revealing to much of the real him.

But if this is a game or winning to OW. Why do they go through with marriage? Doesn’t that defeat the object!? As that’s a serious thing for a game!

The game for the OW is winning. She needs to be so special that a man will do anything for her. The pull of having a ''family, stable, happy'' man who shows loyalty for X number of years is a powerful aphrodesiac. She wants that. She doesn't wanna sift through the pile of losers to find her own...she wants the one right in front of her. So she becomes everything he wants. She befriends him. She listens to all his complaints about his wife...then pretends she is everything he needs. She is carefree, she isn't controlling, she is fun and free and sexy....all he needs to do is be a man and free himself from his torturous troll wife. Eventually a man who is depressed, bored, stressed or whatever starts to believe it. They start to wonder if they made a mistake. They start to look at their wife in her stained pajamas reading to the kids, wondering why she is never dressed up anymore....why she is home all day but the floor is still dirty. He goes and makes all the money, he is a slave to this household...and no one can be bothered to do anything. If only he had a sweet young thing to adore him for what he is...that would make him feel better....and before you know it we end up here.

They can't see the love the woman of X number of years gives. It is old, it is routine, it has been there so long it has lost its potency to cure his ego. He doesn't see the wife loving their child, being a good mother, the stains as a sign she has spent all day making a dinner in he kitchen. They can't see the love because all they see is the poison they have heard. That she has let herself go, she doesn't try, she can't love you....She is not longer a human she is failing as a person.....and she doesn't even know it.

So the deep dark anger and resentment starts. Blocking her out, not telling her whats wrong, always saying ''Im fine'' while texting funny and whitty things ....being charming and a fake macho awesome self to said lunatic. And she eats it up like candy because she is winning. He loves her. He is on his way to her. They are going to have a fairytale ending! Limerance and teenage love- athon commenceth. All the while she quietly wonders to herself, does he really love her? Does he still love his wife? Is he thinking about her right now? Are they still sleeping together? Round and round and round it goes in her mind.


Then the destruction happens and he regrets everything. What has he done? He was so wrong but he can't ever admit that. So he goes along with whatever is easier for him at the time. Whatever he can fill his time with and keep him from thinking....but sometimes in those quiet moments...his brain won't stop. He dreams about his wife and kids, he wonders what they are doing. If his kids will love him when they are older. Does his wife hate him? Does she still think about him? Why didn't she just act the way she was supposed to act? Why is he still not happy?

And then begins the decline. She slowly starts to show her true colours, the act slips, her perfect not wife self...is losing steam because it is fake. It was fantasy created to trap him..and he is starting to pull away so what does she do? Well he seemed to like SOMETHING about his wife for X years...she must have done something right?! So she stalks her, she changes her hair, nails, make up, mannerism, poses...anything to emulate whatever it is she is missing that is not keeping him locked in. This is probably when a lot of them start acting loopy. Starting drama, breaking up and making up, increased love bomb social media posts. Anything...anything to keep the ''love real''.

And hopefully by now the wife has dragged herself up out the ground. She is stronger and more resilient. She takes less crap, she has been so self conscious about her looks she has changed her hair, her clothes, her weight...whatever. And she feels better and happy.

Now the husband wonders what he is missing, why is she doing so well...and starts to pull closer...and then OW goes insane. So she starts hammering in stuff women want. Cut off connection with your wife, move in with me, lets get engaged, lets go on holiday, lets get married. SHOW me you love me. SHOW THE WORLD you love me. Because really, deep down, she is scared $h!teless.

You know...total expert or whatever...but yeah.  ::) 8)
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Ow posted pic of h staring out into endless snow. Can’t even see his face really. Lots and lots of snow. Ow likes and laughs at alot at quotes aimed towards me but I see nothing of ow personal account as I am blocked along with kids other than profile pic which are usually quotes about killing someone. H was never interested in social media but now has an account, kids and me blocked. Ow prefers to use a public community for woman with a partner who have a crazy psycho ex drama baby mama! Apparently that’s me! And yet I post nothing and don’t comment and don’t contact. Still all my fault though.

I can’t really see it ending, ow does all hobbies with h now. Changes most of their shifts so can go to walk together on same shifts. H said he considers himself not married. In that case please finish your finances and divorce. Xx
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10 come backs and leaves again for same ow
Last left 7.03.17.
Ow 16 yrs younger, no children never been married. co worker. EA turned to PA and lives with ow
Divorce bomb drop by him 31/8/17 by solicitor letter after being caught by ow at lunch with me 3 wk earlier. Finances Not yet finalised.
Crazy divorce started by him.
Clinging boomerang for 3 yrs now Vanisher but  twice a yr pops his head up. ow has balls in a vice!

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Case in point Phoenix.

She needs a public show of love. She needs to keep you the bad guy by bad mouthing you...because she thinks about you all the time. It will always be YOUR fault even though she got herself in this mess.  ::)

She does all her hobbies with him, because she needs to be with him, because she doesn't trust him, and he might forget her.

He isn't married. He is enslaved.
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