[nah]

They don’t want to here that, Acorn, it must be “The menopause” or “The Fog”, or something else, it just can’t be that women of a certain age sometimes want to escape and just go about it the wrong way. How would we know? We don’t know their wives, we are just women of the same age who are also going through the same issues.

They don’t want to here that, Jack, it must be MLC, it can’t be that men of a certain age sometimes want to escape and just go about it the wrong way. How would we know? We don’t know their husbands, we are just men of the same age who are also going through the same issues.

Does anyone think this is offensive? Or at least insensitive?

It is a possibility. I have posted that before. Sometimes men feel bad about aging and start looking to stroke their ego. It gets out of hand and they can’t back up.

[Nas]

They don’t want to here that, Acorn, it must be “The menopause” or “The Fog”, or something else, it just can’t be that women of a certain age sometimes want to escape and just go about it the wrong way. How would we know? We don’t know their wives, we are just women of the same age who are also going through the same issues.

They don’t want to here that, Jack, it must be MLC, it can’t be that men of a certain age sometimes want to escape and just go about it the wrong way. How would we know? We don’t know their husbands, we are just men of the same age who are also going through the same issues.

Does anyone think this is offensive? Or at least insensitive?

I think in large part many people understood that Nah was speaking specifically about the handful of men on here who continue to express unevolved and often misinformed ideas about women in general.
I can’t speak for nah but I would place a bet that she wasn’t talking about all the men on this forum or all men in general.

IMO there has been some alarming misinformation about gender differences being bandied about here lately. And presented as fact, not opinion. (Although incorrect facts, even when presented as “opinions,” are still incorrect facts.)

[Nas]

I would also add that if we want MLC to be taken seriously, the way to go about that is not to consistently present misguided and misinformed information under the guise of “theories.” A theory is proven, a hypothesis is an educated and well researched guess that often leads to a theory. Even a valid hypothesis needs to have actual facts to back it up.

[MyBrainIsBroken]

I think in large part many people understood that Nah was speaking specifically about the handful of men on here who continue to express unevolved and often misinformed ideas about women in general.

I'm afraid that I'm not one of those many people who understood what nah was speaking about since there was no specificity included in her statement. In fact, when I re-read it I have to say that it sounds very general and not at all specific. It sounded to me like female MLC was being attributed to this:

At a certain point in a woman’s life, she may seek emancipation from a spouse that may have been emotionally chaining her through the means of ‘rescuer’, ‘protecting knight on a white horse’, ‘wife owner’, male chauvinism, or misogyny.   Basically, she gets sick of being considered a second class citizen in her own marriage.

If this is true then female MLC doesn't exist and there is no reason for male LBSes to be on this site.

Maybe I'm just being overly sensitive. I was up late last night waiting for the coroner to show up so that I could help load a body into his van.

[Not Applicable]

Yes, MLC in women is caused by menopause. It's very clear: men-o-pause. It's when women take a pause from the men in their lives because they become o so repulsive.

This is not all joke but actually discussed rather often in books and media when the topic of middle aged women pops up. 

At a certain point in a woman’s life, she may seek emancipation from a spouse that may have been emotionally chaining her through the means of ‘rescuer’, ‘protecting knight on a white horse’, ‘wife owner’, male chauvinism, or misogyny.   Basically, she gets sick of being considered a second class citizen in her own marriage.

Just my 2 cents’.

No, it wasn't a joke at all. It was a reaction to having just read the opinions of several men on this thread about menopause. Everyone is free to have their own opinions, but the opinions expressed by some of the men on here about menopause and women's hormones make those men seem sleazy and unattractive and arrogant. I wonder if any of you men on here have considered whether YOUR ATTITUDES toward your wives' menopause (as opposed to the effects of the menopause itself) is one of the reasons they chose to leave?

[nah]

Why is it offensive? It’s offensive bc my opinion is it could possibly be choice?  It doesn’t have to be choice but it COULD be.  I don’t get offended when someone says it might be chemicals. I might not agree but I don’t get offended.

My ex fits every single MLC stereotype perfectly. I can’t tell you how many times in RL, people have said to me that he is going through a MLC. So, maybe there is some mysterious fog that has taken over his brain, I’m not counting that out. But, it’s also very possible that he started to feel bad about aging, started to flirt, the attention made him feel better and like a drug, the more he got, the more he wanted. 

Why is that offensive?  Bc it doesn’t fit with “they can’t help themselves”?

Added... gender doesn’t matter.

[nah]

If the men on this thread really truly want real answers, why be so closed minded to what the women on here are saying? 

We are not reading about menopause, we are living it.

[OldPilot]

I wonder if someone should start a thread titled, ‘Andropause - split from Menopause’.   

The major difference between the two are TIME.
Although likely not a GIFT.

Men go through Andropause (in general) between 20 - 70 years old and it is normally a very gradual process. ( but not always)

Women's change is much more sudden in comparison.
And likely can happen anytime between ages 35-55 but lasts a much shorter time.

The only guarantee is that we all seem to go through this process.

[Not Applicable]

Actually, for a number of reasons, there are some women who actually look forward to and welcome menopause. It can be a very positive thing for some women and even their marital relationships so I think one can't assume it is a negative either on a woman or her relationships with others.

Anybody remember the Brady Bunch episode where Peter's voice changes? They turned that negative into a positive, so any life change can be spun positively if you have the right attitude.

[MyBrainIsBroken]

It’s offensive bc my opinion is it could possibly be choice?  It doesn’t have to be choice but it COULD be.

I think you're back-pedaling now. I find nothing in your post that indicates that it's POSSIBLY a choice. Your post, as written, is attributing female MLC not to ""The Menopause" or "The Fog", or something else" but instead to "women of a certain age wanting to escape".

I don't disagree that there are a large number of "women of a certain age" who want to and perhaps eventually do choose to escape their marriages and I can understand in many cases why they might feel that way and I can sympathize with them.

But I believe it's insensitive and possibly offensive to make a statement like the one you made on a site where there are so many good men who are hurting and yet are standing for their marriages. I think there would be an uproar if a man on this site were to make a similar statement about male MLCers leaving not because of MLC but because they're seeking emancipation from a female spouse who may have been emasculating.