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#10: August 06, 2023, 04:39:13 PM
Thanks for the response Baxter1 - it is unreal to me how so many different people are in the exact same situation.  My W has tried to get me to leave several times and I won't do it.  She has threatened to leaver herself on a few occasions.  I know she has thought about it but hasn't done it .... yet.  My W looks for things to get mad at me about and she also picks on my oldest D12.  She favors our youngest D9 and its terribly obvious.  The location blocking along with a few other things makes me believe that the PA is either happening or going to happen.  I am setting myself up for that and that being the final nail in the coffin.  I have a meeting with a lawyer but its three weeks away.  The lawyer I chose is in high demand so I'm willing to wait.  We have a lot of assets, multiple businesses and two kids so splitting things up will be complicated.  I can't believe I ended up here.  The past 3 months have been a nightmare. 

I'm doing my best to get on with life and do things for me and daughters but I am really struggling.  I admire the strength others have shown. 

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#11: August 06, 2023, 04:52:49 PM
Dear Keyser,

I am 15 months in. Things are more cordial. The EA has gone away in my case but there is still a lot anger and no will to fix the relationship.

In the beginning, I went into anger and fix it mode. I worked hard in all our issues but with an expectation of change. That was naive.

Before the snap, they have been disconnecting for a while. We just tend to miss it.

Things that have helped:

- individual counselling
- exercise
- the odd sleeping tablet
- something called Ashwagandha which reduces the cortisol
- realising you will be ok either way
- understanding the affair stuff is a symptom of the crisis
- realising that your self worth is more than being tied to this person
- understanding you can’t love them back
- SMART communication from marriage helper
- realising it is a marathon and not a sprint
- the most important and hard thing is to remain calm
- laying off the snooping, they just feel violated and it just causes you pain
- if I could say one thing above all others is stay calm, I sometimes just repeat calm to myself.

No one expects to be here. There is nothing rational going on so try to avoid any relationship conversations.

If there was stuff you got wrong, work on it but for your kids. I worked too hard and did not listen well. Now I get that stuff right.

It is unbelievably hard. You become paranoid. You are waiting for the next kick. The worst has happened. It will improve.

Wise to wait for the right lawyer. Don’t worry about the cash. You can make more. It is about locking in the right access for your kids.

Lean into the love from your kids.

You can do it. It is no fun. But you will emerge a better person. You can’t make her see that. Ruin the story in her head by being calm, kind and the best father in the world. Do it for you and the kids.
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#12: August 06, 2023, 05:47:14 PM
I think some snooping is okay, especially at first when you don't know what and who you are dealing with that is a third party in the situation.

I am one of those people who is glad I knew because it helped me with next steps. Excessive snooping once the worst is known can be harmful to the LBS, but I think getting the lay of the land early on can be helpful, although excruciatingly painful.
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#13: August 06, 2023, 07:27:58 PM
Looking back at how I did things there are a few things with hindsight I would do different.

The first being circling the wagons so to speak:
That includes do not leave your home, get a lawyer in place and get into therapy.

These things are to protect you, your rights to being with your children and to protect you financially. It doesn’t mean you have to file for divorce. That isn’t what I’m suggesting.

Next read through the articles here. It’s a lot of information and you’ll have to read the articles numerous times. Take it one step at a time. There’s no way everything is going to stick at once.

Work on not reacting but taking the time you need to respond. I know you say a pa is the end for you. And it might be. But many of us have said and believed the same thing and when faced with that situation have chosen a different path. When faced with such a very huge thing take all the time you need to think it through. Not everything needs an immediate action.

I did not have a live in mlc’r so I can only imagine the strength you will need to have to do these things. 

But you will find that strength. And you will get much support here to help you.


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#14: August 06, 2023, 11:50:04 PM
Very wise words imho from tmt.

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The first being circling the wagons so to speak:
That includes do not leave your home, get a lawyer in place and get into therapy.

These things are to protect you, your rights to being with your children and to protect you financially. It doesn’t mean you have to file for divorce. That isn’t what I’m suggesting.

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When faced with such a very huge thing take all the time you need to think it through. Not everything needs an immediate action.

It can seem as if this act/don’t act thing is an either/or choice when you feel the way I think you feel right now. But it isn’t. Someone else, I think, mentioned the concept of ‘triage’ and imho that’s what separates the two. It’s a bit like dealing with a massive leg wound and figuring out how to renovate your kitchen at the same time. There might be some effect of the first on the second, but it’s not as much as it feels it is usually…but it won’t matter if you bleed out, so you prioritise that. It varies depending on the specifics of our individual circumstances, that’s true, and I hope your appointment with a lawyer will help you to figure out your own triage list to circle the wagons around.

There is something called the ‘illusion of action’ and we humans are rather prone to it when we don’t know what to do. This is a confusing and painful experience and that can make it hard to trust our own judgement and hard to distinguish the difference between the conscious choice to do nothing as a constructive action vs being frozen in place waiting for some moment when we know the ‘answer’. I suspect they just feel different….the first always felt calmer and thoughtful whereas the latter felt more flailing and all consuming to me of that makes sense. Either way, I’d encourage you to go slow and steady and learn to listen to your own judgement again. And when that’s difficult, you can always borrow some outsourced thinking here like a spare hard drive lol bc we’ve all had times when we have needed that.  :) I couldn’t think my way out of a paper bag well for quite a while  :)

In that spirit, I think you sound a bit ‘frozen’ to me. Perhaps bc you are pinning your choices on the PA thing as a kind of go/no go answer. Which runs the risk of creating a sort of mental double loop if that makes sense. One of the big contributors to that stuck feeling can be the belief that there is a ‘right’ answer as opposed to a ‘right enough for right now’ answer. Largely perhaps bc it requires us trusting our own ability to figure out the next right enough answer in as yet unknown circumstances….and the shock and gaslighting that usually comes along with this kind of life experience tends to give that a bit of a kicking until we find our metaphorical feet. I don’t know what you feel you would need to know that would be enough information to make your next steps clearer. Imho if you do, it’s a valid choice to consider ways to get that information….while also considering the effects of doing so. None of us here can give you 100% certainty about a PA. We can only tell you that from our own experience, it is way more likely than not in MLC and that if something quacks like a duck it is usually a duck and that your wife’s current behaviour looks rather like a duck. Oh, and that your wife is unlikely to be truthful with you about anything much so your ‘answers’ are likely to be more robust the less they are based on her input  :)

I would encourage you to look at your situation through a lens that is a little less centred on the big PA question. To metaphorically zoom up and in on what you see in front of you. To ask yourself if how things are currently is acceptable to you, or not, or for how long, or under what conditions, as a way to live. Bc - putting the PA question to one side - I suspect there are a lot of things in your wife’s current behaviour towards you and your family and your way of living that are far from ideal in a partner. Zoom up to reflect on the wider picture. Zoom in to reflect on the day to day reality of what you see without distracting yourself with the whys and wherefores and what ifs.

A lot of times in life we don’t know, can’t know, things with absolute certainty about what is happening outwith our own reach….we make lots of decisions based on a kind of assumed probability, that a train will arrive on time or a car will start, with an unconscious back up plan of what we might do if it doesn’t. Anyone here who has experienced Anxiety with a big A (and most of us have at least for a little while) know that what tends to go haywire with an anxious mind is less often about whether the train will turn up and more often about our fear that we will not know what to do or be able to cope if it doesn’t. So, imho, anything we can do to build our own confidence that we will be able to figure a plan B out and that we will be able to figure out some as yet unknown way to be ok if it does matters. Seeing a lawyer is part of that process - well done - but I would encourage you to take the time to reflect on how to rebuild that confidence in your ability to discern what the ‘right enough for right now’ answer is for you in your current reality. And we will cheer you on regardless of what choices you make that seem to be in the best interest of you and your children  :)
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#15: August 07, 2023, 02:49:34 AM
Having had a stay at homer with full blown PA for 9 years (now 10 yr past BD) - this is my advice for the initial stages.

1. When feeling overwhelmed take your day 5 minutes at a time then 10 minutes at a time.  What can you do in the next 5 minutes? And the next and then as you gain inner strength then expand to 10 mins etc...

2. There aren't any rules as such on here - just advice that has been proven to work time and time again. If you see them as rules then you will resist and try to find shortcuts to stop the situation and that just won't happen.

3. TMT is correct; read and re-read the articles.  I became a student of MLC - my spare time was spent in reading reading reading and journalling. I then found I learned more by doing and carrying out the consistently practised and effective advice given to me.

4.  To explain the early stages of MLC. The first is escape and avoid - which is the longest first part and REPLAY belongs in this. Replay is not after escape  and avoid  - it is part of it. BD starts replay.  Escape and avoid is where the MLCer does the botox, the buying of new things to try and change parts of their life so perhaps going to a keep fit class for three weeks and then changing to kick boxing for 3 months then taking up jogging. It's the restless phase before BD; it's the phase where the MLCer feels and believes that something is wrong with their life and they have a need to do something about it.  When the EA or PA starts - then it is getting more serious and BD then explodes into the life of the previously understanding LBSer.

5. You are doing the right thing seeking financial advice.

6. Set the boundary of a PA if you truly believe that that is the last straw and that you can carry out your boundary of ending the relationship if a PA is discovered.  If you in your heart of hearts can't do that, then don't.  Allow yourself time to step back and to focus on your own healing.  Any decision made in a reactive state will always backfire.  Make decisions in a considered, detached, responsive state.   Seeking legal/financial advice is detached and considered even though it feels reactionary.

7. Trust me ( read my threads if it helps with a stay at homer) MLC is a process, being an LBS is a process. You can be done whenever you want- every day you can say it but being done truthfully means being done and no looking back. 

Take time for yourself, practise self love and care and leave your MLCer to it; nothing, absolutely nothing you can say will make a difference but they do notice 50%  of what you do - so make sure your actions and decisions are for the right reasons and to move you forward regardless of the MLCer.
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#16: August 07, 2023, 03:35:33 AM
Thank you all for the support and responses.  I appreciate it very much.  I guess the PA thing never really was an issue until how read how prevalent they are for MLC'er.  I mean it doesn't seem possible that someone goes through a MLC and doesn't have a PA.  Has anyone has a W go through a MLC that didn't have a PA? 
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#17: August 07, 2023, 04:08:30 AM
I don’t believe my wife has but the EA is bad enough. Texting photos of her drinks go another man while I was home with the kids.

I could deal with a PA if I had to. The isolation and disconnection is what kills me.

Just keep on keeping on. One day at a time. Live in the moment and make your decisions as they come to you.
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#18: August 07, 2023, 04:31:45 AM
Help-
I could not feel your post more. The isolation/disconnection and the feeling that she is having a new life is the part that hurts the most. The funny thing is all the things she is doing (she goes to the beach mostly, goes out with her sister for drinks) I would be fine with, I just didn’t see the need for the ILB speech.If she would have said ‘ILY but I need some time to my self’ I’d of been fine with that.
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#19: August 07, 2023, 04:33:20 AM
"I don’t believe my wife has but the EA is bad enough. Texting photos of her drinks go another man while I was home with the kids."

I almost fell out of my seat reading this!!!  Last Friday after a function we all went to for my kids, a group of us went out to an early dinner.  I saw my wife, who was sitting next to me at the table, take a picture of her drink and text the OM.  She didnt know I could see it.  I don't know what the message said but I could see her take the photo and text him.  Unbelievable!
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