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#50: October 13, 2014, 12:21:32 AM
Hi Twiceburnt, you did the noble thing and I'm sure everyone will appreciate that, mine was doing it for years behind my back and I knew nothing as she always seemed the perfect wife. Now my eyes are open I find it difficult to date as I'm worried about getting blindsided by someone else. Mlcer actions really damage you emotionally, it's been almost three years and no contact at all. She seems to be happy with the destruction she has caused and I live my life behind an emotional glass wall to other women.
I wish I could find closure to my pain.
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#51: October 13, 2014, 07:52:23 AM
Jackolar12, it is very hard to open up emotionally again due to the fear of it happening again.  Mine was quite obvious (even though I denied that she could do that at first) when the affairs began.  She certainly didn't act like a perfect wife while those were going on.  But, she could have done it before in the past but didn't get an emotional connection, so she could have hid them that way I guess. 

With that said though, I think we are more in tune with the signs of an affair or the potential for an affair after this.  I think you'd be stronger at setting and maintaining boundaries with someone new if you choose that route, and it would be easier to move on if they cross the boundaries.

I think the only time one can find closure from this is either they come out of the fog completely and address their internal issues, or if we open ourselves up to anything that the future holds in store for us including an OP.  I never really got closure either.  I thought I had closure when she came back the first time, but it truly wasn't because she didn't address her issues.  If I had moved on and began a new relationship, I'm not sure if I would have gotten closure either - maybe, maybe not.  I'm not sure what it is going to take for me to get closure this time around.
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Re: Female Mlcer return stories
#52: October 13, 2014, 10:30:08 AM
Hi - I am like river birch.  I had a comparatively brief MLC about 6 years ago, although the depression aspect could have begun about 3 years before the affair aspect.  My H recently said that I never smiled during 2007.  The background is that I convinced myself that my H did not truly care about me and was using me for my income to support college, cars and travel for his kids from his first marriage.  (I met H a couple of years after that break up.). I did not appreciate that H was in a hard job and was doing what H was emotionally capable of doing to show me that he cared.  But H had put me through a lot and really seemed to expect an unlimited amount from me.  He was a workaholic with controlling, chauvinistic tendencies - I should do everything a housewife does AND work a full time job outside the home.  AND do some largely "free" work in my profession for the wife of a colleague of his.  I was exhausted and frustrated, and I had been unable to have a child.  I really did not know what my place was.

I had a work colleague whose wife had kids from a prior marriage.  This wife had an affair a year into their marriage, or about 2 years before I began to get close to this OM.  For about a year, my colleague and I platonically commiserated in discussing our marriages.  We never should have done that; we should've talked it out with our spouses or with counsellors.  Moreover, OM's wife cheated on him first, and my H had not cheated on me.  But I felt very intrigued by my colleague, who was very smart and interesting, and always doing something exciting.  We then began a PA for a few months.

I was pretty reckless and my H figured it out fast.  I viewed H's resulting frantic efforts to pay attention to me with cynicism.  I could see the pain in H's eyes and in his voice, but I remember being unable to empathize with it.  I did not want the life I had previously had with H.  I felt H would reel me back into the same drudgery.  So, I took a temporary work assignment away from home where I could see more of OM.  At first, H did not confront me directly.  H just turned on the attention and very much assumed the role of "my husband" - and the man I had dated and agreed to marry, who I thought was lost.  H came up to near where I was geographically - to a course - and put himself in the way of the affair.  H put us together on weekends, monitored me and otherwise "blocked" me from spending too much time in affair fantasy world.  I began to realize how hurt H was and I was horrified.  Perhaps most important, I had enough life experience to see that OM was indeed an "affair down."  OM had more sophistication, broader interests and "life of the party" charm than my H, but OM's intelligence and charm did not stand up to my underlying love for my H, who at that time seemed more responsible and loyal.  My H was also more physically attractive.  I broke off the affair a few months after it began.

I think it is also important that I had a good amount of dating experience and married my H in my 30s.  Many MLCers I read about - including my H (see below) - got married very young.  My old boyfriend's mom had 3 kids during the 1950s.  She was quite smart and educated, but in keeping with the times, was a SAHM.  When "women's lib" rolled around, she took off for a time.  It traumatized my old boyfriend for life, even tho his mom came back to his dad eventually.

Unfortunately, my H was not content just to have me back, which is what I thought he wanted - and what most of you on this thread seem to want.  My H may be narcissistic, and he absolutely has a lot of childhood abuse and abandonment issues.  For whatever the reason, H spun into his own MLC.  Within weeks of my "return," H began a very public EA with a work colleague with whom he now shared an overseas assignment.  H denies PA there, but no one believes him.   I covered for that at H's work events, because I deserved the punishment.  H now says that he discussed with EA OW whether H should divorce me.  H does not acknowledge that raising D with his EA - and not with me - was a "come on" to see if EA would be there for H if H divorced me.  EA was the Mata Hari, femme fatale type who liked being the confidante and fantasy partner of married men, but did not want them full time.  So EA advised H against a second divorce.  (Only this year did H reveal to me all this D talk with EA from 5 years ago.)

After H's overseas course ended, H was angry at the loss of his EA, but it seemed that H now "came back."  I thought things were "fine" for a couple of years.  H now says he was very angry during those years about my PA.  Also, during those 2 years, I developed an illness, and H moved into a career transition, so his MLC really took off.  H doesn't believe in EAs, so H says he still felt "entitled" to a PA.  H started a long distance PA, and it has gone on for 3 years.  H's MLC is far more like those we traditionally see on this board.  Moody, immature, personality changes; cruelty; secrecy; constant lying.  H appears to think I should compete with "damsel in distress" OW to make him happy.  (And not bog H down with adult talk about Rs, real life, etc.  So I usually lose this battle).

I found out about H's PA earlier this year.  I was very angry that we had come through my PA and his EA and now he was wrecking our marriage.  H initially came through with detailed plans for us to reconcile, and seemed to focus on me for a few months, but H could not tolerate any of the usual cycling upset from a betrayed spouse that I was feeling and displaying.  I also had reason to suspect OW's motives, and when I voiced that, H veered straight back to OW.  Sadly, I am now the one crying and hurt.  About 10 days ago, H said that he had been the sentimental one in our M, not me, and that he had cried so much over me.  He asked, What did I want now, a standing ovation (for crying over him)? 

So this is a cautionary tale for men who want their MLC wife back.  Will you be able to accept her back?  If I'd known what I was going to endure - emotional torture by H - I probably would not have come back.  To see H shift his sentimentality and love to this OW - who I'm sure, in his mind, has never betrayed him - is more than I can bear right now.  I hope I can get over it one day.  I definitely wish I could turn back the clock to 6.5 years ago.
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Re: Female Mlcer return stories
#53: October 13, 2014, 11:06:33 AM
Thank you so much for sharing Janus.  I'm sorry for your pain :(.

 I find it interesting that what got your attention was seeing your H hurt.  Everything I have read says not to show the hurt to your spouse.  Could this be a difference between men and women that go through MLC, or is it just isolated to individuals?  I often wonder what my W would do if I showed up and confronted her and her new "friend".  I know that she still cares for me otherwise she wouldn't get worried about my feelings.
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#54: October 13, 2014, 12:22:03 PM
Hi Twice burnt, I feel exactly as you describe yourself, pain looking back at the old and fear and apprehension of the new. I hope we will both find healing in the future. I suppose I'm upset with myself for not seeing things developing and stopping the affairs . You are correct with boundaries, I will be hyper vigilant in future. The damage to the family unit is immeasurable and I hope my children will not turn into ticking time bombs like their mum.
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#55: October 13, 2014, 12:36:44 PM
Hi Janus, thank you for your honest and forthright reply. I really don't know if I could stand the trauma of reconciliation but I believe after the decades invested in the relationship I should at least attempt this.
I would like my family unit to be restored but throughout this crisis I like everyone here on the forum have been shredded emotionally. Will I have the opportunity in the future and if I do will I have the energy, understanding and forgiveness to make it work, To be honest I' don't know and if it's meant to happen I'm sure God will be heavily involved in everyone's restructuring for the better.
Thank you for opening up and posting your thought and feelings and I hope you find peace.
Kind Regards Jackolar12.
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#56: October 13, 2014, 12:46:31 PM
Hi confused but trying, it's good your Mlcer is thinking of your feelings as it shows some connection, mine never gave me a backward glance.
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#57: October 13, 2014, 01:56:40 PM

Thank you for your thoughts, CBT. 

If I can do anything to make up for the mess I started - which my H referred to recently as "You broke a happy man" - it will be to try to help the men here. 

You say, "I find it interesting that what got your attention was seeing your H hurt.  Everything I have read says not to show the hurt to your spouse." 

I do think that you should err on the side of calmly going about your business in front of your W, as in the early stages she may feel contempt for your vulnerability.  A cheating spouse feels empowered because someone else finds them attractive.  When I initially saw my H running around frantic - bombarding me with calls & sending me flowers on a business trip, etc. - H says I replied, "Why are you sending me flowers?"  I was very cynical.  I believed H was trying to get me & my income "back in the fold" for more of the same treatment.  I was determined to break free to spend time with OM, who was smart and the "life of the party" in a social setting.  OM could always have a great conversation.   I know I did not think about the consequences and was, at that early point, simply irritated by H and still angry with him.  I compartmentalized.  I also did NOT do a formal BD.  I stayed over on a business trip and then took a work assignment out of state, but I did not make a declaration.

As time wore on, and I spent more time with OM, I saw OM more realistically.  I think this happened comparatively quickly because of my dating experiences.  I picked up on OM's annoying habits; our politics were polar opposites; OM took too long to do things, and OM was not as physically attractive as my H.  Meanwhile, there was H, who was doing a job I admired and trying to make my life easier.  H bought me a new car, working very hard to find the one that I wanted.  H also brought my stepkids to see me on my work assignment and that got to me, too, because they are decent, sweet and helpful.  My nasty, selfish side started to thaw a bit. 

Plus, I had had no grand plan to leave H for OM.  OM was also married, and I didn't think H would actually know.  I came from a different background than H - grad school, living in urban settings - and I'd known people who didn't think flings were that big of a deal.  I'd seen plenty of people reconcile after affairs.  OM had stayed with his wife after her affair, and she wasn't too concerned with what OM was doing.  But my H had a parental history of affairs breaking up marriages.  H's stepdad wouldn't come to our wedding b/c he didn't want to see H's mom and the loser she cheated on him with.  An affair was a terrible thing to do to H, psychologically.  My current tears must be very gratifying to H. 

Also, at the time of my A, H had some serious work-related events that I needed to participate in for him, and I needed to help set H up at an overseas assignment.  I simply saw no path forward and I began to wind down the A.  OM didn't want to, but because OM was sophisticated, OM knew that OPs have no say.  That is something H doesn't get.  H's family history is what made H's own affair so serious.  H met a divorcee and told her that he too was going to get divorced.  It's the same line that every married guy uses to start an A, but H doesn't get that.  While that was 3 years ago, H still sees OW as "innocent" because H initially misled her.   H seems to feel a great responsibility toward the OW that I did not towards the OM. 

Finally, I did NOT understand these issues or what I needed to do for H after the A.  I knew in my mind that it was over, but I still had work dealings with OM - we worked for the same co. in different states - and I was not attentive to putting H's fears to rest. 
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#58: October 13, 2014, 02:08:14 PM
Thank you again for your insight Janus.  I think that I speak for all of us males in the forum when I say that it is greatly appreciated.  Again, I am sorry for what you are going through.  I will keep you in my prayers.
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#59: October 13, 2014, 02:25:38 PM
Thank you, CBT.  I will say that this brought me back to church and that is one of the bright spots in my life right now.  When I asked God for forgiveness, I believe He gave it.  He has also gently opened my eyes to the fact that H is going to leave for the OW and is helping me to find paths to acceptance. 

I do recall that H did NOT confront me initially and give me a hard time - that happened later when H was in an EA - because H said he wasn't emotionally prepared to lose me at that time.  So H's then-kindness towards me helped "pave the way" for my return, although I did not know the term then.  (A cynic might say, H didn't have anyone else set up yet.)  I should have used that approach with respect to H's affair, instead of getting upset and NOT "paving the way."  H's decision to go back to OW has largely rested on what H calls my "beating him up" about H's affair.  Given the length and cost of H's affair, I'd say that my response was fairly limited - my brother wants to kick H where it hurts - but I did not behave with dignity and grace.  H said I should have simply told H to come home.  Given what's gone on, it's a bit ridiculous to expect no response, but I don't recommend berating the wayward spouse.  They do need to feel like it is possible to come home and that their life will not be hell if they do.  Perhaps H knows that he "lured" me home with kindness and then set out for revenge, so H believes he can't safely come home now. 
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