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#120: February 27, 2015, 06:53:45 AM
Rookie, I agree.  As soon as the word ILUBLILWY came out of his mouth, in his head, he was already divorced.
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Re: MAN CAVE 4
#121: February 27, 2015, 07:12:31 AM
MLC is rather atypical in many ways -- and mate poaching is more of a traditional cause of divorce.

Switching topics...

Has any body read about the "MGTOW" movement.  Its been referenced a couple of times here.  As in Men Going Their Own Way -- it basically is the concept of deciding watching flyboys with your dog is more fun than pursuing relationships with women.  Not just for some time of healing, but as a permanent way of life.  Sort of a "they aren't worth the trouble" mindset.    I've seen it a lot mentioned by older men, but starting to see it popping up in younger men's conversations as well, which seems rather concerning to me.

So last night, I was reading about the "grass eaters" or "herbivores" in Japan -- young men who aren't interested in women.  Asexual creatures.  Some polling in Japan has upwards of 60% of men under 30 self-identifying as this.  They have a Japanese word they use -- Mendokusai -- which loosely translates to "not worth the trouble". 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/20/young-people-japan-stopped-having-sex

http://www.avoiceformen.com/sexual-politics/m-g-t-o-w/a-real-study-of-japanese-herbivore-men/

The government in Japan is actually worried about the implications of this in terms of population growth.  Is this the same dynamic as MGTOW, and could it ever get this widespread in the US?


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Re: MAN CAVE 4
#122: February 27, 2015, 07:25:55 AM



I'm pretty sure the time will come when I will ramp up the exercise routine and get back into the waxing  ;) but maybe I'm happy to be invisible for now. You are all so correct saying there is healing to be done, and baggage to be sorted, and no I'm not sure I'm interested in a full on 100% committed LTR either.

No better way to get rid of baggage that hitting the gym, it was the only thing that seemed to work right away. Whatever anger I had could be aimed at the weights, rowing machine or bike. There's a lot of stuff we can't do much about, but we can control the physical aspect of our being and when we feel physically better the rest follows.
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Re: MAN CAVE 4
#123: February 27, 2015, 07:26:18 AM
10 months divorced now,  no women hitting on me and I was wondering if I was becoming invisible to the opposite sex.

Then I read this quote from stayed.

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I'm a very firm believer that we will not find anybody until we are truly READY to be with another.  I think we have much healing to do and until we are healed we are unable to love "fully".  I also believe that there are two types of LBS's.  There is the vulnerable type, that the opposite sex can spot a mile away and will rush in and take advantage of them.... or their are the "NOT INTERESTED" types.  The not interested type, gives off an aura that screams, NOT INTERESTED!  In anybody. 


When a not interested type becomes ready to live again, they attract like minded type of people.  Loving, caring, want to share their life with somebody type people.... just like themselves.   

So I'm just gonna keep doing what I'm doing and let my aura change of it's own accord.

Lanzo

I read Stayed's quote and reacted with both "oh crap" and "hooray" because it well described me. Over the last months I've felt I was making that turn finally. Now I met someone that I have been hearing about for a long time who has similar LBS experience and reaction to it. I am looking forward to what the future holds, going ultra slow to keep expectations in check. I'm relieved that I am comfortable letting my walls down, was scared they were going to be permanent structures.

Congrats Split. Feel you on that partner thing.

Lanzo - best of luck to you. Continue to do right, heal, let go, do God and your spirit can change. Then someone may walk through a door with that mutual thought of "well there they are......now what?"
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Re: MAN CAVE 4
#124: February 27, 2015, 08:04:17 AM
MLC is rather atypical in many ways -- and mate poaching is more of a traditional cause of divorce.

Switching topics...

Has any body read about the "MGTOW" movement.  Its been referenced a couple of times here.  As in Men Going Their Own Way -- it basically is the concept of deciding watching flyboys with your dog is more fun than pursuing relationships with women.  Not just for some time of healing, but as a permanent way of life.  Sort of a "they aren't worth the trouble" mindset.    I've seen it a lot mentioned by older men, but starting to see it popping up in younger men's conversations as well, which seems rather concerning to me.

So last night, I was reading about the "grass eaters" or "herbivores" in Japan -- young men who aren't interested in women.  Asexual creatures.  Some polling in Japan has upwards of 60% of men under 30 self-identifying as this.  They have a Japanese word they use -- Mendokusai -- which loosely translates to "not worth the trouble". 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/20/young-people-japan-stopped-having-sex

http://www.avoiceformen.com/sexual-politics/m-g-t-o-w/a-real-study-of-japanese-herbivore-men/

The government in Japan is actually worried about the implications of this in terms of population growth.  Is this the same dynamic as MGTOW, and could it ever get this widespread in the US?

This is the end result of the demonization of masculinity, covered in the book "The Way Of Men". Men traditionally have been the builders and maintainers of civilization, enforcing the Security perimeter that allows it to function. The trade off for Men has alway been that there was always something in it for men to maintain society and protect it. When Men see there is nothing in it they drop out of that society and begin to form a new one, much like Monks did during the Dark Ages.

The masculine traits required to do this have been under attack since the late 1960's. Boys are now are being told daily that they are all potential Rapists/Pedophile/Abusers of girls & women, that their very gaze has such power they should be ashamed of their own sex. Men at work now avoid contact with female coworkers because they know they are only one HR visit away from losing their job over a overheard private joke.

It's got so bad some Fraternities at colleges have tried to prevent any hint of sexual assault by banning any women who are obviously drunk when they get there from entering the premises, only to be told they can't becuase it is a form of "Victim Blaming"...A well know writer who suggested this idea to fraternities in a column he wrote was fired....

So yeah, I can see why a lot of younger guys look at what has happened to their divorced fathers, and watched their Mom go through a string of looser boyfriends say the hell with it and play video games. I can also see why older guys like me whose kids are about to leave the nest just decide to go hunting,fishing, play pool, work on cars/boats/motorcycles and only hook up for short term relationships....

The funniest/saddest thing is that now the woman's movement has got just about everything they ever wanted, women are less happy now that when all this started circa 1970, with 25% of them are on anti depressants....

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Re: MAN CAVE 4
#125: February 27, 2015, 08:19:48 AM
The funniest/saddest thing is that now the woman's movement has got just about everything they ever wanted, women are less happy now that when all this started circa 1970, with 25% of them are on anti depressants....

To put it more bluntly; the "movement" has f**ked up the natural gender roles and many are left with no clear identity or purpose!
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Re: MAN CAVE 4
#126: February 27, 2015, 08:38:46 AM
Yup, women's movement did us no favors.
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Re: MAN CAVE 4
#127: February 27, 2015, 08:43:52 AM
25% on anti-depressants

So you are saying 75% are roaming around unmedicated!  ::)



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Re: MAN CAVE 4
#128: February 27, 2015, 08:45:31 AM
Wow,

Pretty good post Brave..not sure how much of it is really true or happening but it seems to make sense..( I haven't done any research or put much thought in it yet other than what you wrote).

I didn't realize it but I am actually going through MGTOW as of late...

My 'guess' for now is that 'mother nature' will win out..and no such movement will be sustained..It kinda reminds me of when me and all my high school friends hung out and talked macho about not needing a steady girl til each of us were plucked out by one!  ;D
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Re: MAN CAVE 4
#129: February 27, 2015, 08:49:12 AM
lol..sleepless... ;D
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