Moment, I don't know is something that scientists use, usually to propel them to know more.
Your idea that there must be something wrong with our husbands come from your experience with your husband, a man you meet when he was the OM in a one night stand. You cannot use that experience and conclude that there must be something psychologically or emotionally flawed with our pre-MLC MLCers. It would not be scientifically valid.
You're preaching to the choir, Moment. The members who usually participate in this science oriented threads are fully aware that the more science discovers, the more aware we are we haven't even scrap the tip of the iceberg. Yes, it also applies to the brain.
Even if big advancements and new discoveries have been made of late. Research, be it on brain issues, or as on cancer, is ongoing. And there has been many new discoveries, possibilities, etc. found recently.
The paradigm has already shifted when it comes to mental and neurological disorders. A lot. All you need to do is to think how those were view 30, 40, even 20 years ago. Not to mention 100 years ago.
In fact, I think it is the other way round, the more we know, the more we may be able to understand what causes MLC (or any other illness). Or which are its main causes. And how to mitigate, if not treat it.
For now, we don't know for sure, but people who deal and study MLC, all seem to agree stress plays a big part in it.
But none of that changes that, essentially, what you wanted to make us believe, was that because your husband was not at his best when you meet him, the same would apply to our spouses.
Your original basis was not neuroscience, or genetics, or even psychology related, it was related with you husband's behaviour, and you extrapolate from there. You offered a view that maybe the problem was that the LBS may not knew the person they had married. Which makes no sense. Some of us had been with our MLCer for decades, often since we were in our late teens. And we all noticed a sudden, drastic change.
Their MLC behaviour is a huge contrast with their pre-MLC one. But what brought our spouses behaviour change was MLC. They were not like that before. While that most certainly had to with neurobiological alterations, it does not mean we did not knew our pre-MLC spouses. Nor that in their normal state our spouses would behave the way your husband did when you meet him. Do you understand the difference?
We understand ourselves, we are in peace with our selves. At least we old timers are. That does not mean we have to stop having a scientific interest in MLC. And I cannot see what is so wrong with wanting to know more about an issue that destroys so many families.
If you do not know about Freud and Jung, it may be a little difficult to know how much things have changed since they come up with their theories. And how much of their theories is still valid or in use. I did not made an assumption, you were the one who brought up the unconscious belief system, and suggested that our MLCers may be operating under such unconscious belief system. The unconscious is the realm of Freud and Jung. If you brought the unconscious up, if you are talking about psychology, it is only logic to think you know the men who come up with the idea and their theories. Otherwise, you are talking about things you do not know, nor how they have evolved over time.
No, I do not think we are making assumptions about MLC. Our ideas about MLC come from have read those who do studies with people going through life crisis, those who work with neuroscience/neurobiology, of having taking courses on those subjects, on being nurses (Kikki and Xyzcf), doctors (OSB), and people who have been reading and researching MLC in several ways, including RCR.
Your brother did not have a midlife crisis, he had a midlife transition. If he have had a midlife crisis he would have done the same things all MLCers do. People who go through a midlife transition act they way your brother did, people who have a MLC act the way our MLCers do. Many psychologists, doctors even, confuse midlife transition with midlife crisis. What we deal with here is crisis.
You cannot compare your brother with your husband. It is like comparing a common cold with pneumonia. Your brother is no exception when it comes to midlife transition. He would be an exception when it comes to real midlife crisis because he was not having one.
I know two psychologists said he had MLC, but many psychologists never dealt with a real MLC. Or if they had, they may had done as with my cousin, and said he had every existing mental illness, from schizophrenia to bipolar, not leaving out borderline.
My cousin had all of them at the same time. Except he does not have any of them. We was in MLC. And now he is back to his old self. Do you remember what OSB wrote "You can get the same symptoms in completely different diseases - that doesn't mean that someone who's depressed and starts hearing voices has suddenly become schizophrenic, but that a non-schizophrenic individual can also suffer hallucinations by virtue of being depressed. "?
One can have something that looks like MLC and not be MLC, and have something that is MLC and the doctors think is every other mental illness in the book.
The reason who separates the woman with post-partum depression that kills the baby from the one who does not is the severity of her depression as well as how much the hormones affected her. It is a question of degree. All illnesses have degrees. Mild or soft is very different from extreme and hard.
...I don't like to be put into a category of somehow being less than healed because I believe that the crisis has measurable and real biological causes.
Nor do I. I think you are projecting your personal experience upon us.
Velika, you may be interested in check
http://www.mcmanweb.com/ It is a site by John
McManamy, a man that suffers from bipolar. The whole site is very interesting, and
in the Treatment part he has several articles on meds/SSRI, their effects, etc.
I don't have any real life examples of people who took multiple travel vaccines and had it kick a MLC. Kikki said it happened to her husband. I do not doubt her. But, for me, it is a coincidence. I also do not know any parents whose children have been transformed overnight by an adverse reaction to vaccines. There are, and has been, many children in the family in its several generations. None of us was ever affected by vaccines. Same goes to friends, acquaintances, etc.
I know there is a certain trend against/not so nice towards vaccines, especially in the US, where parents have the option of not give vaccines to their children; I also know that some people have adverse reactions to vaccines, but personally I have never meet anyone to whom that has happened. And none of the real life MLCers I know has had a vaccines combo before they hit MLC.
So, while it may be a fact for the odd case, I do not think it is so for most. And we can never rule out that it may be only a coincidence.
No, we cannot do brain scans. We can't even made our MCLers to see a doctor, let alone do brain scans to them.
From my real life experience, yes, most people come out of MLC. Here in the site you will find a group of newbies, of people who are no longer standing, people whose spouses have come, or are coming out of crisis, people whose spouses have come out of crisis but have long stop posting, and many people who will not be around enough time for us to know what happened. In a way, the forum is a passing by place for many. They come here in the early days, then either stop coming or they come but do not post.
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