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#10: June 06, 2015, 05:00:22 PM
Thank you for all the responses! It's fascinating to me that these men (and women) from completely different cultural backgrounds, geographical locations and ages all exhibit such similar behavior. The lying, as I said, drives me completely batty. I suppose the OW and friends and family are faced with lies as well, as some of you have pointed out. I keep reading the OW is usually damaged in some way anyways...must be something she just accepts even when she catches him. And friends and family are too afraid of the reaction to calling him out on his lies? I can only shake my head (any other reaction might lead to me throttling him), and if it involves the kids, write it down in my trusty little notebook.

I caught him once again today when he came to drop off the kids, and life just got a little more inconvenient for him because of his stupid lie. S4 forgot a toy at H's parents place today. H had lied to me the other day, saying he needed to drop the kids off early today because he had to pack for his business trip and had dinner at his parents place this evening (i didn't even ASK why, had just said ok.) Makes NO sense, he obviously wants to spend time with OW over his own kids, but whatever. At drop off, he let me know S forgot his toy, so I told him to bring it back. H says i'm going to be out of town...so I remind him he's supposed to be going to his parents place anyways tonight, bring it back and leave it on the porch (his place is literally a 30 second drive from our house). He looked pissed but said ok...

Let's see if Optimus Prime makes it back home tonite...idiot.

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Re: Pathological liars?
#11: June 06, 2015, 06:31:41 PM
They all lie, but some don't tend to be very good liars and we know they are lying. Not that they are going to stop doing it because we know, they may even lie more.

They lie to OW/OM and they even lie to themselves. Some lie in court, even if there are facts in black & white that disprove what the MLCer claims.

There really isn't much point in being upset with their lies, but of course we are. At least early on.

Have you read the articles on the main board and blog? They explain a lot about MLC and MLCers behaviour.
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#12: June 06, 2015, 07:14:38 PM
Oh heavens!   The lies were awful and drove me nuts too.  The lying just sickened me since he was such an honest man before this.  He hated lies and would call people out for the smallest lie.

Lets see

Lied about OW
Lied about having a grandmother who is an American Indian.  Not sure why? ?
Lied about what he did in Russia
Lied about where he lives.
Lied about military service.
Lied about losing his job.

Lied about tons of inconsequential things.

Lied

And lied about me having a BRAIN TUMOR !

Yes that was the reason he tried out for leaving me.  He thought that would make what he had done appear like he was right to leave me.  Big failure there.   Imagine people did not think he was right to leave a woman with a brain tumor.

Yes they lie to the OW constantly.  She doesn't notice for a long time since she bought his story originally.  She bought into this for the fairy tale he was selling.  How can she look for the truth and admit to herself he is lying and the great love affair is based on just so much cow poo?

My ex's OW is just a dumb child from a small town with mental issues as well.  She has no life experience either.  So the lies seem plausible to her.  She believes in fairy tales still.  I've read the emails and texts and FB messages to prove that.

So sad and yet so funny looking back now.

Teenagers lie.

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Re: Pathological liars?
#13: June 06, 2015, 07:42:46 PM
I forgot to mention that I think early on it is a bad idea to call them on the lies about anything but the very necessary.  Doing that just chips away at there fragile persona without any return on the positive.  You see they are not ready to face truths.  It angers them and only serves to solidify their view that we are mean and horrible people for popping their fantasy bubble. 

One of the last big fights my ex and I had was over his lies.  I threatened to put up the proof on Facebook that he was lying about my having a brain tumor and him working in factories since he was trying so hard to be John Lennon "working class hero that makes it good in life but still maintains his humble roots."

If it was on FB the ow would be able to see it and know he was lying.

So that was a huge threat to this very fragile persona he was trying on for her.  It just might have shattered her storybook version of him.  It threatened his very fragile core self.  So he became violently angry. 

Shortly thereafter he became a vanisher.
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Re: Pathological liars?
#14: June 06, 2015, 07:50:26 PM
From MIDLIFE DIMENSIONS.
Why do they lie? (by a former MLCer)
http://www.midlife.com/index.php/chat-room-menu/with-a-little-help-from-my-friends/349-qlighting-the-path-homeq-from-chat-room-friend-qdaq

One of the reasons I married mine because I thought he was SO honest ::) ::)  I had been strung along before and felt that he would not ::).  He lied about how he purchased a bike for our sons, he lied about buying flowers for OW.  he lied to OW1 and work colleagues about our relationship (said we were separated).  He's still lying and yet he cannot understand why I don't trust him - although he admits he knows I don't trust him - but does nothing to create trust again.  I think he feels it is my issue that I don't trust him and he can't understand why??  He also lied in front of the mediator about shoving me hard and said I shoved him ::) ::) ::).

I'm guessing he's lying to OW3 about his financial situation and anything else to just convince her he's the real deal and to be with him (and fund him)
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#15: June 06, 2015, 08:41:27 PM
I have reached the point where the lies are amusing. Actually, in my case they were always amusing. A lot of H's lies are lies of omission. Just didn't tell me X, type of thing. Had to hide that he bought a pillow and mattress pad for the spare room bed, most likely because I offered to get him a mattress pad and he insisted he didn't like them (except he has had one for his entire life until I trace back the MLC symptoms in 2012). Had to hide that he bought his "whiskey glass". Has to hide that he is shopping at Costco or Trader Joe's or where ever (like who CARES?)

The rest of his lies are like gaslighting. Says something, then insists he didn't say it. Often says I said it (!). Does something and pretends like he hasn't done it.

For my H, when he lies, I just look at him. You know that look. The one that says "Bull". Then smile, shake my head and go do something else. He knows I know, but he doesn't get to make himself feel better my making me argue with him. I think that's worse than actually calling him on it.
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Re: Pathological liars?
#16: June 07, 2015, 04:43:18 AM
This is an awesome thread that really had me thinking.

We know they lie about anything and everything. As a logical, truthful human being, it makes no sense to me that mine would lie about the town he now lives in of where he left his cigarette lighter last Friday (either in his truck or at his house depending on which time be borrowed mine).

The ultimate question is why they do this, and the responses on this thread are leading my to numerous conclusions.

1. They are emotionally immature. Kids and teenagers lie to protect themselves from the consequences of their behavior. That, at least, makes sense when we consider the lies about OW/OM.

1a. Because they believe we are evil incarnate bent on taking away everything they know they deserve, they lie even more to try to ensure we don't do that. Mine honestly had himself convinced that I would do everything in my power to ensure he couldn't become part owner of an airplane. Not the case. In fact, after giving lots of thought to the stupid thing, I want him to have it as long as it doesn't ultimately destroy me financially. They have others chirping in their ears telling them what our motivations are. Others who have never met us or who have no way of knowing what we think or feel. Others who are probably projecting and have an agenda. So, again, it's about self-protection. They lie because they are so weak they are influenced by the agendas of others.

2. They feel entitled to whatever they feel entitled to (see the link from Stillpraying) and will do anything and everything, including lie, to get it and, IMO, avoid the consequences. See #1.

3. They are trying to escape who they are, so they create a new persona, which is at least part a lie itself. They need to be better, stronger, faster than they were before. But that necessitates lies because they seem to believe they are worse, weaker, and slower than they were before. So they lie to make themselves more interesting, etc. Thus Law, 3, and I all have husbands who have embellished their military careers.

4. Lies are among the stepping stones to their self destruction. As frustrating, annoying and infuriating as they can be to us (seriously, lying about what he had for lunch? About your wife having a brain tumor?), they are necessary because all those lies are going to come back and bite them in the a$$. They know the truth (or should--with MLC brain, that's a crapshoot). But they are compelled to destroy themselves, and the lies hell them do that.

4a. In order to self-destruct completely, they must lie in order to push us away, just as they must be cruel to us so they can escape. Like OffRoad, I get of lies of omission. Somewhere deep down, mine seems for me to want to know the truth but is too much of a coward to tell me. He drops hints and clues so I can figure stuff out. When he does that, the guilt oozes from him because the omissions are always about big things such as him living with OW. I believe, at least with mine, a component of this is related to #1a: they believe we are horrible and out to make their life miserable, but like children, they actually do want to confess the truth. They just can't.

I may be entirely wrong about all of this, but it makes a lot of sense to me. For me, its hard to separate out the various strands of why they lie since everything is so interconnected. Ultimately, though, I am believing the lies are a compendium of the need to destroy themselves as well as some convoluted sense of self-preservation.

Now to figure out why someone would need to preserve himself for shopping at Costco.  :o Unless that shopping is on a Saturday afternoon. That, at least, I get.  ;D
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Re: Pathological liars?
#17: June 07, 2015, 05:47:40 AM
Wow, Stillpraying!  I can see a lot of my H in that article.
 Thanks for posting.
The lying was the hardest thing for me to grasp in all this.  Like LP's H, mine hated lying and liars.  He was always so brutally honest that I wished he would tell white lies or learn about tact.  He was also bad at it b/c he was so uncomfortable with it-just couldn't live with it so it had to come out.  Now he mostly lies by omission but I know he lies to his friends, the OWs, and certainly any new friends he makes.  OP's statement is indeed true.  I do the same as OffRoad-I don't call him on it but he knows I know.  Why give him the opportunity to upset my peace and get himself righteously stirred up b/c I am thwarting him in some manner?
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#18: June 07, 2015, 06:10:16 AM
I had just the opposite of this.  Mine didn't lie, he was brutally honest.
I'm not saying he didn't lie to himself, he sure did that, but when I've asked him questions he tells me the truth.  Or he would say...you don't want me to really answer that, do you?

I asked him one time about 6 months into this...if he found someone interesting or that he kind of likes, would he ask her out (we were still married at this time)...his answer?
Yes, Thunder I would.

Hurt like hell but no lying.  : ((



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Re: Pathological liars?
#19: June 07, 2015, 08:35:36 AM
I had just the opposite of this.  Mine didn't lie, he was brutally honest.

This was my H for the most - it is his way of putting the guilt on me for him being an a$$hole. Kind of like "I warned you" but you still asked so it is your problem not mine. You can be honest without being brutal!
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