[LEC16]

LEC,

I would not push her into religion.  I has to come from inside her.

You however can practice your religion with your children and be a great example for her without saying a word.   

Makes sense. It has been difficult since mlc, but I plan to get back in the routine. I have gone to the adoration chapel with the kids. I guess I kept hoping something would click with church since it did the one time. Irregardless of the causes mlc attacks the soul, so I think healing the soul by finding god is necessary. Nothing against non-believers, but in an atheist world view mlc behavior is just non conforming and not truly wrong.

[Roma]

lol I'm not an atheist, so I can't speak for them yet I can't see anyone agreeing w/ a MLCer's bad behavior lol

Plus a MLCer is the complete opposite of what they once were no matter what they were.

[LEC16]

lol I'm not an atheist, so I can't speak for them yet I can't see anyone agreeing w/ a MLCer's bad behavior lol

Plus a MLCer is the complete opposite of what they once were no matter what they were.

Very true, and don't get me wrong most atheist I know are good people who believe in upholding a moral standard. I think you got my point, but if there was any confusion I will try to clarify. Most mlc behavior that makes it identifiable is a rejection of traits that we identify as good. I guess my point is that these things are universally recognized as good and bad because we assume that there is such a thing as good/bad and right/wrong. That belief is essentially a religious belief.

[Roma]

I don't feel it's a 'religious' thing at all. The MLCer is a rebellious teenager or younger that wants to push boundaries.

Think back to when you were as teenager. If not you think back to your teenage friends back then.

Rebellious,  bad lack of responsible adult behavior.

If it helps you to think it's against 'religion' then think of it that way.

[LEC16]

I don't feel it's a 'religious' thing at all. The MLCer is a rebellious teenager or younger that wants to push boundaries.

I think we agree, I was just pointing out that the boundaries are basically good/bad type behavior. I could be wrong but I don't hear about mlc'ers that because more moral. I guess what is odd about it is that it basically impacts behavior and specifically seems to cause them to reject moral behavior in favor of immoral behavior. The only point I was making about religious belief regarding the mlc traits is that they are basically non conforming or immoral. I never heard of this behavior resulting in some sort of positive improvement according to social norms while the person is in the fog.

[Roma]

I feel the behavior change is because of the regression in age. Not necessarily anything to do with religion.

[LEC16]

I feel the behavior change is because of the regression in age. Not necessarily anything to do with religion.

I should clarify, I don't think it is about Religion.  I agree that rebellious teenager is about age, but my point was they seem to reject good things not bad things. The idea that there is such a thing as good and bad is a religious belief.

[Roma]

I feel the behavior change is because of the regression in age. Not necessarily anything to do with religion.

The idea that there is such a thing as good and bad is a religious belief.

I don't feel that way. There is good and there is bad. There is wrong then there is right. Who says religion has anything to do with that?

[nah]

I feel the behavior change is because of the regression in age. Not necessarily anything to do with religion.

That's fine.  There are numerous threads about regression in age, brain chemistry, hormone levels etc.

 Velika started this thread with something like, "I know this sound crazy..." then several of us responded with, "hey I witnessed something that I would have never believed..."

I'm not a religious person.  I saw a man that I have known for 30 years behave in a way that goes past normal explanation. He was wild eyed, sweating, looked like he was being chased while in bed when I opened the door to ask him something he screamed and jumped in the air then growled at me ( this was during the day he was supposed to be napping) then started panting.  I just shut the door, I had no idea how to respond. Our next interaction was about an hour later, which was BD.

I know it sounds crazy, that's why I never brought it up. I'm glad velika did, bc several others on here also had similar stories. 

[LEC16]

I feel the behavior change is because of the regression in age. Not necessarily anything to do with religion.

That's fine.  There are numerous threads about regression in age, brain chemistry, hormone levels etc.

 Velika started this thread with something like, "I know this sound crazy..." then several of us responded with, "hey I witnessed something that I would have never believed..."

I'm not a religious person.  I saw a man that I have known for 30 years behave in a way that goes past normal explanation. He was wild eyed, sweating, looked like he was being chased while in bed when I opened the door to ask him something he screamed and jumped in the air then growled at me ( this was during the day he was supposed to be napping) then started panting.  I just shut the door, I had no idea how to respond. Our next interaction was about an hour later, which was BD.

I know it sounds crazy, that's why I never brought it up. I'm glad velika did, bc several others on here also had similar stories.

I won't rule it out either. I think people come up with the causes, but why do some of us see the things we see and why does the effect seem to be a rebellion against moral loving behavior?