[Roma]

Never too old to learn something new OP

Personally I vote person, not party.

[evas]

Please dont make this personal

OP how can I as a woman not make it personal when you vote for someone who thinks it's OK to demean women? "Grab them by the kitty"? Seriously? And you wonder why your wife  ran off? Is that OK speech in your household? It's OK to judge and demean women? If no, then why is it OK for a president? Do you even begin to grasp the meanings of the words coming out of Trump's mouth? I find it difficult to respect any man (or woman) who vote for a racist, misogynist bigot.

[OldPilot]

And you wonder why your wife  ran off?

Are you serious?

[Anjae]

1trouble, we feel that way because that is how the leave framed things: we do not want EU citiens here. I read the British press on a daily basis, I am well aware how the whole business went down and how Leave won. If anything, I read European press far less than British and American one.

The UK has and never lost its sovereignty, it has never lost its borders (it does not have Schengen). The whole we want our sovereignty and our borders back talk is just it, talk. 
 
You may had not vote to keep out of a British Univeristy, but that is what is going to happen. And not just with me, with many. Same for business, many business are leaving the UK, planning to leave and those who were thinking of starting a business there no longer are.

Since Scotland wants to remain in the EU I am not certain how the whole thing is going to turn up.

I crossed England off my list after leave won, not before.

To my knowldege, the UK is, and always was, opened to the rest of the world on its own terms.

Cameron knew he was not going to get more than what the UK already had, which is a lot compared with many EU countries. Why would the UK be given even more special previleges? 

At the moment in the area I live they cannot build enough homes, there is a big homeless problem,even though they are building on every time bit of land that comes available, it takes over two weeks to get an appointment at the doctors, it takes nearly an hour to drive somewhere which should only take 20 minutes, the trains aBrusselsre fit to bursting, the schools don't have places for the amount of pupils, everywhere is getting more and more crammed full, rents are going up and up, the price of properly too, its now impossible for most young people to ever be able to afford to buy their own home...............these are facts of life in the UK today.....

I know. I think people are aware. None of that has anything to do with the EU. Those are internaL issues of the UK. They may have more to do with a Tory goverment, or even previous not so good Labour ones. Other EU, or non EU or non European countries have similar problems. Those are for the governement of each country to solve.

EU bureaucrats will not be impacted by UK leaving, ordinary people, in the EU and in the UK will.

The funny thing is that the reerendum is not legally binding.

Trump is unbelievable towards women, but Bill Clinton behaviour is less than stellar. Has everyone forgot Monica Lewinsky? Plus the many incidents before and after Bill has been president? Hillary remained married to Bill even after Monica. Hillary is hardly someone I would see as a model for women. All I see in Hillary is a model for power.

I do know her history, past and track record (good and bad), all I still see is a model for power. And a very good one at it.

As for politician, none is a saint, none. Otherwise they would not be politicians. I thing being a saint and being a politician are mutually exclusive. But some are better than others.

[evas]

Am I serious? You bet. If you think it is OK to demean women, to degrade them, to call women pigs, to say "grab them by the kitty", then you have zero respect for women. Do you seriously think it is OK for ANY man to say the things Trump has said? I'd leave a man saying or thinking it is OK to say a thing like that in a second. And yes, I do believe (and hope) many other women would too. Let me ask you this: Are you seriously saying you think a woman should tolerate that kind of talk?

[evas]

Anjae, Bill Clinton had had affairs before he was voted President, but he had never publicly degraded women, called them pigs etc etc. Neither had he mocked disabled nor called Mexicans rapists etc etc.

We can't very well judge Hillary Clinton on what her husband did. She was on the ticket, not he. And many of us here have taken our husbands back after they've had longer and more involved physical and emotional affairs than the one Bill Clinton had with Monica L.

I am not a Hillary Clinton fan, but at least she's not insane and unfit for presidency, which many experts professed Trump to be.

[Finding Hope]

I'm a little disappointed. This site is not the place for political debate. And no where should it be OK to put anyone down for what they believe. To make the statement, and you wonder why your wife ran off is just cruel. Considering that you are involved in this MLC thingy and knowing how painful it is, I am just stunned that you could say something like that. And a little confused why RCR is not putting a stop to it.

Regardless of how you vote, or what you political views are, no one should be cruel. If we are, what separates us from the fools out there protesting and rioting? Bringing shame on us (American Citizens). I may not agree with what you think or feel but I would NEVER condemn you for it or say cruel things.

EVAS,
Let me tell you, I am a survivor of rape, I don't agree with any of what Trump has said or done. If anyone should be offended it should be me. I know OP, and no where in his being would he think for a moment that it's OK to demean women. Maybe you should read his posts to others (women) and see how he encourages them to stand up for themselves. And to grow stronger and respect themselves enough not to put up with being treated poorly by their spouses. Personally I think that you owe him an apology.

Although I respect your right to YOUR opinion, you do not have the right to assume you know how he feels or what he thinks. I certainly hope that you showed more kindness to your husband after what he did then you have to OP.

I voted for Hillary, thought it was the lesser of 2 evils. But, I almost didn't vote at all. I didn't want to feel responsible for putting any of those 2 in the White House. Trump has a big mouth, for sure. But Maybe you should watch 13 hours. It was a hard choice for me to make.

FH

[Thunder]

AW please guys, please let's not make this personal.  Each and every one of us has a right to our opinion, even if it's not popular.
But we should never be afraid to voice it.

I was totally blindsided after the election, as most were, but this thread has helped me to think and listen to the different views points and how they feel it effects them, from men and women, from all over the world on what happened in their opinions.

I have gained a lot of insight from it.

When someone said the U.S impacts their economy I listened.  I never knew how true that is...and I don't live in a bubble I just didn't know.  I'm learning.

To attack anyone for their opinions or choices is just wrong.

[Slow Fade]

Evas that attack on OP was totally uncalled for and I'm appalled.

Personally I don't believe this thread belongs on this site. Everyone votes the way they vote. That is what makes America a representative democracy. We don't all have to agree and we certainly don't have to tear each other apart in the process. Where is the Agape love? Where are the unconditional s? Where is the respond don't react?

And to suggest that someone's spouse walked away because of their spouse's politics sounds more like MLC script than a political discussion.

[evas]

FH,
First off, you have NO IDEA what I am a survivor of.
Second, we are all entitled to our POVs. I find it incredible offensive to think it is OK to demean women the way Trump has done, and I don't find it strange at all that women do find it offensive. I think it is cruel to think it is OK to talk like that. It's abusive. We all tell LBS to leave a spouse who is abusive. It is emotional and verbal abuse. I'd leave and I'd encourage anyone else also to leave who was being abused.

This is OFF TOPIC, by the way.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/18-real-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-women_us_55d356a8e4b07addcb442023