[Roma]

Instead of saying 'illegal immigrant' let's use 'undocumented worker'. They have done nothing illegal. They are not the criminals, until a law is broken. From what I bear witness to and agree w/ you Thunder, I see really hard workers in jobs most would never take.

[karmirtsaghik]

We should direct our efforts not towards illegal immigrants but towards the system of govenment that enforces the influx of cheap labor. Why we do not punish corporations or businesses that hire these poor people and pay miser for wages, often times off the books, no health care benefits, or other protection. Instead, we direct our efforts towards the weaker chain in this cycle. Our immigration laws need major overhaul. Enforcement of immigration laws is sole responsibility of our Government, that fails people everywhere.

People on this board are praising Hillary for her courage to deal with her family issues. We are also outraged rightfully for Trumpt's rhetoric against women. But let us just for one minute think what Bill Clinton did to Monica Lewinsky. It was exactly what Trump was saying that man in power are supposed to do. Bill Clinton was very well aware of his powers vis a vis a young and inexperienced intern. Yet HC stayed with him after this and many transgressions. For many people it seems like courage, for me it looks like opportunitic behavior, devoid of dignity. For one minute I do not doubt that her stand would have been much different should she not be married to the President. One has to lead by example. Again I voted for HC with hige reservations.

It is sad and tragic that a country of 320 mil people could not produce two better candidacies for the higher post than this. Let us hope for the better future.   

[lawprofessor]

Elegance, i dont want to pick on you but out here it just isn't that simple. 

"Why not train for another job?" 
What other job?  Retraining is a myth for most workers here.  When Sunstrand pulled out, 5,000 jobs were lost.  Average income of the workers $54,000.  4,862 people signed up for promised retraining.  Retraing began 4 months after the plant closed.  300 people were retrained for a year for jobs at the airport.  There were only 4 hired as there were only 4 openings.  An additional 700 were retrained to work in jobs related to green technology.  0 were hired as the plant never opened.  Another 178 were retrained based on their machining skills.  In time 175 were hired by small businesses in the area.  Average income for these people fell over $26,000 a year after being retrained.  Sundstrand then brought 480 jobs back here.  15 of the previous workers were re-hired.  The remainder of the jobs were filled by temp workers of which over 100 were illegal aliens.  Hourly wage rate at the returned jobs was $9.61 an hour. 

Average age of the workers before was 49.  Current average age is 23. 

Benefit status- pre full benefits.  Post- over 79% report are receiving some kind of aid including Obamacare. 

So what became of most of the workers? 
Some moved away.
Over 27% are still unemployed.
63% are making $20, 000 less than they were 6 years ago. 
6% report they are better off than before.  Of those 6%, over half were managers and professionals. 
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Aldi grocery store opened another store here.  There were 17 job openings.  516 applicants showed up. 
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We had a bailiff position open, a single post.  We received 1116 applicants. 
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Just where are these jobs we are supposed to retrain for?  Because I can deliver 5,000 people there by noon tomorrow.

Lp

[Thunder]

Whether these allegations are true or not, is not the issue.   Bill Clinton didn't talk trash about women.  He didn't brag that he could grab them anywhere he wanted.  He didn't call a woman on national TV a nasty woman.

Big difference between Bill and Donald.

Also, how could you have found anyone more qualified than Hillary to run for president?  Why would you say she was a poor choice?

[karmirtsaghik]

Thunder, we do not know what and how Bill talked about in private. But his behavior towards women does not show neither respect nor appreciation.  I am not by any way justifying what Trump said and done. What I am saying is that it is part of the culture that we should try to change, and HC was one who at least stood by the perpetrator. HC was not qualified to be a President, beased on many many factors both relating to domestic and foreign policies that she was pushing.
Now DT in my view cannot be objectively assessed because he is completely outside of the realm of civilized democratic process. His pronouncements are so vile and offensive that frankly only based on these he should have been disqualified.

[bookwrmmom]

I couldn't help but laugh Thunder about the comparison between Bill and Donald.  Let us not forget that old Bill was serviced orally by Monica in the White House. He had NUMEROUS sexual encounters most of which took place in the Oval Office. Bill has shown his disrespect for women including his own wife time and time again. That much has been proven, it is FACT.

Bill is no better the Donald, and Donald no better then Bill in regards to heir treatment of women. Hopefully Donald will have the good sense to not cheat on his wife in the White House. Old Bill sh!t in his own back yard, and got busted.

[Anjae]

Honour, I left clear in my posts that EU citizens can enter the UK. UK citizens, that until Leave is complete are also EU citizens, can also enter any EU country. 

No passport is requited. I enter the UK with my ID card. Same for any EU country. EU citizens do not need a passport to travel within the EU.

EU citizens are not immigrants. They are citizens of the EU, and, for now, than includes British citizens.

[Thunder]

Book, don't get me wrong, what Bill did with Monica Lewinski was completely wrong!
I agree that is a fact.  Plus he lied about it, which made it worse.  But any other sexual encounters were never proven.  Just like the women accusing Donald, there is no proof that I know of.  I just go by what Donald said and it makes sense he did grab at these women.  He pretty much admits he's done that.
I never heard Bill make remarks like that.  Not in public anyway.  Who knows what anyone says in private.
So what bad behavior are you talking about, karmirt?

As far as Hillary choosing to forgive Bill, a lot of wives have forgiven their H's after cheating on them.  That doesn't make her or anyone else a bad or a stupid person.

[Roma]

Please leave Bill Clinton out of this. He wasn't running. Trump was and his behavior IS deplorable.

LP, I'm not saying it's easy, yet when industries close up some people need to understand times have changed. It's not necessarily a foreign born person who is at fault.

[Ready2Transform]

I love Hillary having to answer for Bill's sins. How many male candidates have had to answer for any of their wives' actions? We just aren't there yet. Sad but true. Like her, for all of us, our spouses' cheating, lying, despicable ways and/or our decisions to stand or not have no bearing on how well any of us do our work. Some of us have even used the opportunity to dig deeper and become more focused. That's what I saw in her. If it isn't what you saw, so be it. The damage is done.

Chris Rock 2020.