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#140: December 31, 2016, 10:39:21 PM
Well i have no clue what he is doing. He is with ow and told me this. He always denied before,   But he is pickng up our d and said he would,stop in.  Immore confused than ever.still fixing my breaks tomorrow
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#141: January 01, 2017, 12:05:21 AM
I keep reminding h how ow hit me and how can he be with someone who hit the mother of his children? Why doesnt this bother him.? I have even asked him to find someone new because of this.  Why doesnt he think i will d him? Is he fearful when saying this or does he really belive that i wont.?
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Re: Navigating through the fog- Personal Experiences 3
#142: January 02, 2017, 11:03:23 AM
OM and I would laugh and make jokes at H expense as I was playing the game and I had to keep it up. Soon as I would get home I was thinking about H.


Just wondering, denjef, did it bother you either consciously or subconsciously when OM would participate in making jokes at your H's expense?  Did it make you think maybe OM wasn't a truly good person, either while in the fog or once you were out of it?
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#143: January 02, 2017, 12:31:25 PM
No, I knew OM reaction and comments were a direct reflection of the horrible things I exaggerated. I can say I felt more guilt because my life was one big fat lie and no one was seeing the true me during this time. I was a chameleon and changing my personality depending on who I was around. After the fog I felt worse because I really wanted to step up and tell everybody how horrible of a person I was and most of the stuff I said about H wasn't true, in fact I did play a part in a lot of the things we went thru.

I still haven't got the courage to do that, what I have done is defend my H and I have asked people who do not respect my H, our marriage, to please leave us be as what they say will not sway any decisions I make because they don't know the whole story they only know my version of the story and that it was not fair to H. I feel I really need to come completely clean and laundry list what lies I told to feel better. I have of course came completely clean to my H about everything.
 
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#144: January 02, 2017, 12:47:24 PM
Wow DenJef! Just wow! I know what you are saying and have felt it from the LBS end.

I really hope things work out for you positively.
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#145: January 02, 2017, 12:48:26 PM
Den, this must be so hard for you being bombarded with all these questions, but it is so very important for all of us LBSes to hear every word you talk about.  You have no idea how I/we cling to everything you say.

It is as if you are talking through our spouse's head and it makes things so much clearer to understand and to have some empathy instead of anger for our spouse.  I can't imagine having to relive what are you doing.

Does anyone ever ask you how you are doing through all of this?  I hope you are taking care of yourself and getting all of the TLC you need.  It can't be easy reliving the past.  I know that when I am finally done with all of this, whether with my H or not, I will not want to relive the past but will want to move forward.

Thanks again ...
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#146: January 02, 2017, 01:00:06 PM
Denjef, coming clean to your H is the most important and it shows your tremendous strength of character to have done so.
My fear is my H will never have that strength. 

I'm afraid he's gone completely to the "dark side."  He hasn't responded to my last 2 emails that were strictly about D business.  He lives with OW and seems to be settling fully into his new life in his new city. 
Just before Christmas he emailed me to say he will have to put my dog down soon.  I felt it was sort of manipulative of him to say that knowing how much I love and miss my dog.  And also shows his complete lack of empathy and his inability to see how anyone but himself is affected by anything.  He clearly didn't comprehend how putting the dog down would affect me, since I won't even get to say goodbye. 

Once a person is that far gone, I don't know how they come back and that scares me.
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#147: January 02, 2017, 01:01:45 PM
Krathos,

Sounds like you are about to or perhaps already have drawn your line in the sand. Yes at some point LBS will get tired and completely detach whether consciously or subconsciously. At some point some space and distance must be created, and a time comes to take care of ourselves. MLC'er don't see the pull away initially, for some it could take days, weeks, or months before they finally realize you are no longer hanging on to their word.

Eventually, they most definitely feel the distance. They will certainly move closer in attempt to close the gap and secure you in the position you have kept throughout this ordeal. When this  happens the LBS is by this point hoping for a sign there spouse is coming out of the fog. They aren't. They just noticed you might be slipping away and so they try to do a little damage control. They are peaking out of the tunnel but they are not ready to completely come out.

Perhaps for some this could be an indication of their true desire once this ugly thing they are dealing with has been dealt with. Anything can happen but there is a reason we wont let you go. There is a reason we are checking to make sure we are right where we left you. We are sick, we are compulsive, we are having in many ways an out of body experience but we are not stupid. It's like looking at yourself from outside of your body doing and saying things that you don't agree with, that are totally out of character but you hear and see yourself doing these things.

We should be able to stop it as we are aware we are doing these things but we cant. We have completely lost self control. In moments of clarity we hope you will wait for us to get thru this and you can forgive us because we still deep down want you. In the fog we will rationalize and say awful things to get you out of our face, off our backs because you know us so well. You see what the OM/OW doesn't. You know what we are showing to everyone is not the real us. We can sense you looking into our soul. We don't want that, we don't want you to know our secrets. How deep the betrayal really is. We will say and do anything to throw you off track.

So what is a LBS to do? After all we have a life to live too. I ask from personal experience to please find it in your heart to pray for them. They are lost, confused, and scared. It doesn't seem that way but they are. Even the ones who are so sure in their sin that they are better off and happy in their new life. It is all a façade. It really pains me to read so many stories and they all are going thru the same thing. My own H is struggling to hold on to me, reconnect, as he is still dealing with MLC.

Sometimes I become frustrated, and then I think back about the confusion that was in my head so I get on my knees and I pray. Everytime I feel myself feeling negative about this process I am given a sign. When I practice what I have been saying to all of you I see movement on his end to come closer. When I slip up and move closer to him that scares him. He still has much work to do and I can see very clearly he wants to take control of how fast this goes. MLC is a process, sometimes a very long long process.

While your spouse is going thru whatever internal work, replay, and monstering they need to do we need to also do our own work, get to a better place. I often think as an LBS and as a former MLC'er if we know what we should be doing then why is it so difficult to do? Why do we resist the process? Why does it take us so long to let go?

While I have let go, and given in to the process long ago, I resisted even when I knew what I was doing would not help or change the outcome. Our brains just tells us to go with the heart. We defy common sense. We feel if we could just reach them, talk to them, talk some sense into them. Our lives, MLC is nothing like the romantic movies we see on TV. Things will not work as they do where you confess your love and our spouse runs into our arms crying and asking for forgiveness. They will often come home not even acknowledging the pain or hurt. For some it will still be all about them and you should be lucky they came back. Don't let that deter you, they still have work to do and your strength will be needed even more to get thru this painful and incredibly difficult time.

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#148: January 02, 2017, 01:24:37 PM
Nassau,

He has completely gone to the dark side. I did too. That is what the tunnel is a place of darkness. Everything is negative and voices telling us the wrong thing to do. We are truly in a battle between right and wrong. It takes time to not listen to the voices saying do this do that. You think because what you see or hear is all negative and utter chaos that things cant change, that he wont recover but he can. If he can gather his strength, if he can fight to get better he absolutely can come out of this.

You need to step away as you will see a very bitter, angry person who seems so happy in their adulterous lifestyle. The anger, the mean spirited person is the person who is trying to throw you off track. That is not your spouse doing these things. Your spouse can see/hear everything but there are not in control of the ship, the vessel has been taken over right now. Many of you have no idea what you are truly dealing with.

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Re: Navigating through the fog- Personal Experiences 3
#149: January 02, 2017, 01:26:47 PM
I just realized this thread is close to 150 again, do you all feel you need another thread started for the fog? If you all are okay and feel you have enough information about it I shall end it here. Let me know

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