[elray]

Thundarr, your "vile" comments frighten us.  Your "twisted" patriotism, horrifies us.  Your "bigoted" conclusions, disgust us.  Your "dogmatic" religious beliefs, cause us to doubt your devotion.  Your "devotion" to a man who gropes women and raped his wife, grades women's appearance, sexualizes women, stereotypes women, shows us your TRUE thoughts about women and their place in your society.  Warns us to be very, very afraid.  BUT not of Muslim Terrorist, but of scared white boys like you!

Deeming opposing political views as vile, twisted, and bigoted is exactly what led to this election result and will lead to more.

The center of this country is experiencing a vastly different economic trajectory from the coast.
Those without a college education are competing with migrant labor.
Those with a college education are benefitting from low cost immigrant services.

Throughout our history we have had fluctuating amounts of immigration, but we've always been a country of immigrants.  Taking a position of moving it up or down or targeting on group vs another is not a wrong or right, it's a position which generally can be predicted in a voter by seeing how he/she is being directly impacted. 

I voted for trump not out of devotion and not because I approved of the mans view of women. I voted what was, IMO, the lesser of two evils.  I voted for a reduction in immigration rates, and an enforcement of existing laws, and I voted for a review of free trade policies that haven't really been free, but they have been extremely profitable for the super rich.  The rest of his positions were secondary at best.

As to watching friends and "journalist"heads explode, that was simply bonus points for me.  I understood the initial shock, as the polls were so wrong, but as time wore on and we heard about fake news, and voter recount challenges, and one excuse after another, it really does become pure entertainment.

 I hope the left gets organized and can create a tea party like response.  That is good, healthy, and appropriate.  I hope the legislative and judicial branches are active and challenging to the executive branch. That is the strength of our system.  I hope I never in my lifetime, accuse others of being vile, bigoted, and horrifying simply for supporting a mainstream candidate, because I suspect that comes from a place where I stopped trying to understand, and because I've been treated that way myself here and in other settings in the last 60 days.

[Roma]

Thundarr, your "vile" comments frighten us.  Your "twisted" patriotism, horrifies us.  Your "bigoted" conclusions, disgust us.  Your "dogmatic" religious beliefs, cause us to doubt your devotion.  Your "devotion" to a man who gropes women and raped his wife, grades women's appearance, sexualizes women, stereotypes women, shows us your TRUE thoughts about women and their place in your society.  Warns us to be very, very afraid.  BUT not of Muslim Terrorist, but of scared white boys like you!

Deeming opposing political views as vile, twisted, and bigoted is exactly what led to this election result and will lead to more.

The center of this country is experiencing a vastly different economic trajectory from the coast.
Those without a college education are competing with migrant labor.
Those with a college education are benefitting from low cost immigrant services.

Throughout our history we have had fluctuating amounts of immigration, but we've always been a country of immigrants.  Taking a position of moving it up or down or targeting on group vs another is not a wrong or right, it's a position which generally can be predicted in a voter by seeing how he/she is being directly impacted. 

I voted for trump not out of devotion and not because I approved of the mans view of women. I voted what was, IMO, the lesser of two evils.  I voted for a reduction in immigration rates, and an enforcement of existing laws, and I voted for a review of free trade policies that haven't really been free, but they have been extremely profitable for the super rich.  The rest of his positions were secondary at best.

As to watching friends and "journalist"heads explode, that was simply bonus points for me.  I understood the initial shock, as the polls were so wrong, but as time wore on and we heard about fake news, and voter recount challenges, and one excuse after another, it really does become pure entertainment.

 I hope the left gets organized and can create a tea party like response.  That is good, healthy, and appropriate.  I hope the legislative and judicial branches are active and challenging to the executive branch. That is the strength of our system.  I hope I never in my lifetime, accuse others of being vile, bigoted, and horrifying simply for supporting a mainstream candidate, because I suspect that comes from a place where I stopped trying to understand, and because I've been treated that way myself here and in other settings in the last 60 days.

WOW Elray, I never would have suspected you could have voted for Trump!!! I'm in utter shock!

[stayed]

Nice to know I can still hit a nerve.  Poor little white boys...too late lads... your whiteness has already been tainted.  Your part of the minority now! 


WOW Elray, I never would have suspected you could have voted for Trump!!! I'm in utter shock!

Yep elegance, they walk amongst us, totally undetectable!  Why surprised?  People with low self esteem are vulnerable to "male alfa's" of the likes of the trumpster!


Hugs,

[Roma]

Ok to the Trump voters I have a question.

I am mixed with Native American. I out of everyone has the right to not be harassed in this country for my immigration status. I was born in NYC.

YET am constantly because I do happen to look Latino which I am not in the least.

Is that type of discrimination what you all voted for? Please help me understand.

[Thundarr]

Stayed, you're not important enough to me to hit a nerve.  I know you're hoping for a nasty response from me so that you can run back to the mod board and try to get me banned like you have 100 times before, but just like Hillary you always fall short.  Now I'm just going to ignore you from now on.  Goodbye.

Elegance, please don't believe the misrepresentation of Trump voters.  None of my friends who voted for him did so out of hatred or spite but rather the need for a change from what we had.  Obama's America was imploding and the So islists were trying to take over which basically would destroy the country from the inside out.  The unemployment numbers are rigged as it only counts those eligible for benefits and other stats were manipulated as well.  Isn't it troubling that so many Americans needed Obamacare due to not working full-time?  We believed that with increased opportunities we could see an economic boom while protecting American workers from losing their jobs to foreign countries.  We're not racists, bigots or anti-gay.  We're pro-American and did vote for the lesser of two evils.  Most of us believe in America first but also in the need to help those in need around the world.  We would never advocate for anyone to be mistreated.

[elray]

Elegance--short answer: No.  but I only speak for myself.

Stayed--you're a poster child for the cliches of a open minded tolerant liberal.  I love you, but why be so quick to deteriorate to racial and gender based stereotypes?  I don't care what race my children marry, or the racial profile of my country.  I celebrate my nieces and nephews and the beautiful diversity of them.  As I mentioned previously, I have no respect for how John f Kennedy, bill Clinton, or Donald trump treat women but some of them have been fantastic leaders and presidents.

 

[Reallytrying]

Thundaar - the interesting thing is I  believe that the majority of trump voters are decent people.  But I also know that since his election I have had people post on my personal facebook page that I am not a real American because I am an immigrant. Though I came here legally and have lived, worked, and paid taxes in America for well over 20 years - having been a citizen for a good chunk of those years. I have also had people call me lazy and refer to the people who live in my mostly black suburb monkeys. It's hard to put that behind you. I was called lazy based simply on my choice to attend a womens march. Someone suggested if I had a job or was a good mother I would not have had the time (on a Saturday) to attend. i have no respect for that and it becomes harder to take the Trump administration seriously when a vocal minority of supporters are using it as an opportunity to be publicly hateful and that behavior isn't being denounced.  Every time trump has been given the opportunity to denounce things he creates further distance. For example when asked if he would engage the CBC he asked the black reporter if they were friends if hers. When asked about the black community he immediately discussed the " crime ridden inner-cities". That response offends me. I do not nor have I ever lived in any inner city. My neighborhood is relatively wealthy. It feels as though there is no awareness that minoritues are heterogeneous and don't all have deplorable situations where we dodge bullets and have no health care. As he so famously asked "what do I have to lose?"  Lots. I have lots to lose. The fact that he isn't aware of that is shocking.

[Thundarr]

RT, I'm both part Native American and part descended from immigrants.  I can't speak for the minority, but I denounce any racial or ethnic stereotyping and abuse.  I'm sorry that someone insulted you in such a way and I hope you blocked them.  I have many Trump haters on my FB page and love each and every one of them, even when we engage in spirited debates like this one.  Ask Evas about how many times we e debated on FB and not once have I called her a derogatory name or told her to leave the country.  That's ridiculous.  I'm sure she's contributed just as much in her time here as anyone and deserves the same privileges.

[forthetrees]

Speaking as an anti-Trumpian, my fear is that our democratic system is at risk with his approach to the rule of law, the judiciary, qualifications for the cabinet positions, and his utter lack of understanding of the need to get and read the daily briefing- not the 9 bullet point version now and again. His ignorance is worrisome. He had to stop mid-call with Putin to ask what the New Start Treaty was. He did not know what the CBC is. He uses language that is more simplified than USAToday and often cannot be bothered to include a verb. He repeats falsehoods with a seemingly impassioned belief that repetition leads to veracity. The GOP appears to be opting for a power grab instead of protecting our democratic ideals.

Obama is literate, thoughtful, prudent, open-minded, deliberate, worldly, NOT impulsive, not misogynistic, not boastful, not mendacious and did not tank this country. He, not Trump, inherited the mess of the Great Recession caused by banks and other financial institutions leveraging loans 40:1 and then claiming they were to big to fail. Now we face the undoing of the very regulations that were instituted to avoid a repeat of the financial debacle.

There will be more grass roots demonstrations like the Women´s March as the populace has reached a point of intolerance for the loss of basic human rights.

[Not Applicable]

Changing - Thank you for putting things so succinctly.  I'm sorry you've found yourself in those situations and I don't want to see that here. 

But you will likely see it if Trump continues down this path. And if it happens, it will be because it is necessary.