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#120: September 24, 2017, 07:45:24 PM
Old Pilot:

No, I have no control over my husband's horrible, vile disease that strikes down people in midlife. But we are working on finding out the cause so we may then find the cure.

I am just so glad I quickly found out the reason WHY he blew up (bomb dropped) our stable, little world of decades so I could tell our children why their daddy suddenly became an @$$hole and I could take steps to protect us all.

Take care, LBS.
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Re: Bvftd comments
#121: September 24, 2017, 07:58:55 PM
Old Pilot:

You wrote that "the cause doesn't always matter."

Yes it does. Without knowing the cause we won't find the cure.

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Re: Bvftd comments
#122: September 24, 2017, 08:03:36 PM
As I said  I'm not sure what my X has all I know is he is insane, wish I could get him 'diagnosed' but its too late for that, he was worried that my oldest daughter was going to ruin his 'BIG DAY" doesn't give a damn the hurt he's causing my children just cares about his big day, NOW u tell me if that is the mind of a sane person?
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Re: Bvftd comments
#123: September 24, 2017, 09:47:42 PM
I completely agree with you, Chriss. His ridiculous declaration, his insistence that it was HIS Big Day sounds so juvenile and selfish. I don't think he cares about anyone else anymore because he is a self-absorbed man-child.

He is not insane, I don't think, but he is sick. He would have never left you, the children and his beautiful life if he were well. You must know that.
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Re: Bvftd comments
#124: September 24, 2017, 11:18:42 PM
He told my daughter when she called him that day 'u 2 are not to be trusted' I assume he meant my daughter and I  :-[
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Re: Bvftd comments
#125: September 25, 2017, 12:15:39 AM
ChrissYAH, Your H may be acting narcissistic, insensitive, selfish, immature, etc., without being "insane." They also project thier issues on to us and the children. They are untrustworthy, so they accuse others of being so. My husband has not seen his daughter in 7 years and does not even ask about her. But neither have her aunts, uncles and cousins on her father's side, and that's after 25 years together and always having a positive relationship with my husband's side of the family.

None of exH's family is insane or sick. They are likely awkward, uncomfortable, don't know what to say or do, feel caught in the middle, want a relationship with their brother/uncle so accept him and the OW, are compartmentalizers and conflict avoiders like exH, take the path of least resistance, are weak in character, have residual effects from being children of alcoholics, etc.

ExH also is not insane nor was my father, grandfather, nor the myriad other MLCers I have known over decades who still show no signs of insanity/degeneraitive illness, etc. ExH only skims the surface, depth is difficult for him. He is comfortable being a jokster, but can't always face what's serious or what he's responsible for. He shuts down and avoids responsibility. It stems from childhood trauma coping mechanisms and, in some ways, it doesn't surprise me that he's a vanisher. As sad as it is, and especially for D. It fits his avoidance and "flight" tendencies. On the other hand, the rest of his life appears typical including maintaing a relationship with the OW for 7 years, her children living with them half time, maintaining many friendships, hobbies, he purchased and maintains a home, continues to manage a high-level job at an internally respected company with increasing responsibilities.

I can't speak to your individual spouse or situation, but people leave sometimes for reasons other than insanity and terminal illness. Difficult, tragic and unfair things happen to good people, who don't cause or deserve them, every day across the globe. None of this is easy, but the ability to accept what is, comes over time as does the increasing strength and perspective to navigate it all.

Sending you strength,

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Re: Bvftd comments
#126: September 25, 2017, 05:09:15 AM
Dumping your family and pretending they don't exist is not someone with a sane mind.
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Re: Bvftd comments
#127: September 25, 2017, 06:31:46 AM
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Dumping your family and pretending they don't exist is not someone with a sane mind.

No but MLC is a form of severe depression and that causes all kinds of behaviour. 
Many of the Hs on here have just done exactly what has happened to you and I emailed you about a member who had been married for 30+ years, her H BD'd her and D'd her in 6 weeks and married OW the following day.  He cut her and their adult children out telling them that he had never loved her and he disowned the children.

This was about 4 years ago and I don't think she posted much after that. I will try and see if I can find her thread for you.

However - none of these spouses on here is sane - none of them- no matter what the cause. That's why we end up here and that's why we seek support and guidance.
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#128: September 25, 2017, 06:59:17 AM
Insanity is not selective. People aren't "insane" in one area of their lives and sane in every other. There are more possibilities, but we have to be willing to look at them and accept them, particularly as time goes by and it's clear the MLCer does not have a serious physical or mental disorder.
 
Many LBSs start out thinking their spouse must have a brain tumor or be completely losing their mind. The alternative is too painful. But, over a long enough period, that reveals itself not to be true in the majority of cases so sticking with that narrative is not healthy for the LBS's own progress and healing, in the absence of a genuine scientific diagnosis. Many, if not most of us, have asked, "What if my spouse is insane?" At some point, we have to also be able to ask, "What if they are not?"

My father did the same thing and then 35 years later told me that he just wasn't content in his life, he loved my mother, but did not love being married and tied down. He loved his daughters, but did not love being a father. He wanted free of responsibilities except for those he chose for himself and he didn't want to deal with all the upset my mom and sisters and I were going through. He also admitted he and the OW were already unhappy less than  two year into their relationship, but they had convinced themselves they were soulmates to such an extent that it was worth blowing up multiple people's lives and they didn't want others to know that they were the cliche everyone told them they would end up being. So for pride or definance or embarassment..they chose to stay together 15 more years. Perhaps because it finally became clear that the grass is not greener and each relationship becomes routine and filled with responsibility over time no matter how new and exciting it all seems in the beginning.

My father eventually (decades later) told my mother and my sisters and me that he regretted what he did and always would, and that he knew it relatively early on, but did not want to do the work to fix it or live with the constant reminders of what he did. It was better for him to set that part of his life off to the side (compartmentalize) and move on and leave us to a life he convinced himself would be better for us.

He had the hallmarks of MLC, but wasn't insane. He was broken in childhood, refused to do the work to address it, carried issues into adulthood where he self-medicated with coping mechanisms such as women/sex and other escapism. He wasn't strong. He wasn't selfless. He wasn't faithful or committed. He develope depression he did not seek help for, but he wasn't insane. Would it have been simpler or easier to believe that he was?  Maybe in the beginning, but not over time. I eventually reconciled with my father and he was a very different man with my daughter and a wonderful, loving dedicated grandfather. He finally grew up, got help and became the man that my mother and his daughters deserved, but far too late to save our family or leave us unscarred.

I agree that sometimes diagnosable physical and mental illnesses are initially thought to be something like MLC when they are not, but time reveals. in the majority of cases on this site, that it is not a degenerative mental and physical health issue, but more a crisis of another type, including depression.

Your spouse may have a degenerative mental condition and that will become diagnosable over time if symptoms and brain atrophy progress. In my situation, I know that is not the case because of the amount of time that has passed and the absence of all other symptoms.

Self preservation is one of the strongest motivators humans have. Not only preservation of our physical lives, but the preservation of our view of ourselves. For many MLCers, they are uable to face their actions. Knowing my spouse for 31 years, I am not at all surprised that in the face of all that he has now done, he would rewrite history to justify his behavior and comfort himself with the erroneous narrative that it is D who has abandoned him, rather than the other way around. He is unable to reconcile his need to be seen as a good father and a good man at the same time his actions contradict both. He was never particularly strong or resilient nor even perhaps connected to people in a deep enought way that would tether him there tight enough to withstand a storm such as MLC.
He is not, however, insane. He has his reasons and while they may not be reasons that I would succumb to or find acceptable, he is not me.

I don't debate that your story is different from mine. As much as there are universal themes, every person, every family and every set of circumstances are unique.

I wish you peace, ChrissYAH, and definitive answers for your journey.

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Re: Bvftd comments
#129: September 25, 2017, 08:22:17 AM
Very good points! Phoenix, I agree so much, and it all comes back to self-focus no matter what because the fallout for us is the same no matter WHAT it is.

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Insanity is not selective. People aren't "insane" in one area of their lives and sane in every other. There are more possibilities, but we have to be willing to look at them and accept them, particularly as time goes by and it's clear the MLCer does not have a serious physical or mental disorder.

You do get to a point where "insane" and "illogical" can be differentiated. At first it always seems insane that they are doing these things. But that's from *our* perspective. We really have no way of knowing, especially those of us who find out the affairs had started much earlier than they surfaced, had been planning their inevitable leave. Sometimes people, even non-MLC, ride out kids living home, retirement, etc. so they can do it with as few strings attached. Selfish and unfair all the same, but it's not something we likely haven't seen here on the forum, too.

Just HEAL. Can't cure any diseases, reestablish lives, or raise families if we don't put the oxygen mask on first.
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