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MLC Monster Another womans story of her h in MLC!!!!
#20: September 29, 2011, 01:07:37 PM
Read this and see just how bad these men can be and also how fecked up o/w is  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o (believe nothing of what they say and only half of what they do comes to mind here) :o :o :o xxxxxxxxxxx

My X had a series of small incidents..... leading up to a bigger incident.

1.  he was not considered for a position that he not only applied for, but was recommended for (by the predecessor in the position) by his boss, and he was the person acting in that position for 9 months while the company searched for a director.  He was not offered an interview, which went against company policy.

New Boss came in.... another abusive personality.

2. He told a joke with sexual content... and someone reported him. He was reprimanded, the letter put in his, otherwise, stellar personnel file. He was made to take EXTRA sexual harrassment classes, and he was not allowed to travel overnight on company business.

I discovered this timeline after our divorce.  He told me that the company was not allowing anyone to travel overnight.. as a budget measure.  The person who filed the complaint was let go.... due to her having an affair with someone else at work.. or so he told me.

Now here is where it gets a bit twisted....after out divorce he took a lower paying job to be closer to his new home with the new soulmate.  As a result he wanted a reduction in CS... I fought it.  In the process of finding all I could about his former position, I ended up with a complete copy of his personnel file. I found the letter of reprimand, and the no travel sanctions orders.  I also found his voluntary resignation letter. Which was part of what I needed to prove he was not being let go, (he told me he felt they were going to let him go).  I had to subpeona his bosses to tell the court he was NOT going to be let go... etc.   

He had his attorney subpeona  the woman let go a few years earlier.  funny thing.. she found herself working for the school board... at the same facility I was working at... we were friendly.  She told his attorney that she couldn't see how her testimony would help his case...cause she was let go several years prior and did not know the latest budget conditions that his company was working with.

After all was said and done... she also told me that he acted inappropriately with various woman at work, and he was the reason she lost her job.

She never directly told me that she and he had an affair.. but other people have told me that they were inappropriately close.

All of these little and Big incidents led to his scrambling to find a replacement for his N supply... both at home and at work.  In his replacing me, she took on the responsibility of keeping his ego boosted... by emotional torturing me.. and sometimes the kids.  I was never fearful of him.... but her??? well that is a different story.  and why I had the sheriff sitting in a corner at the convenience store where we exchanged kids.. for a few years.  She let my kids know that she was afraid of me, I had made threats to her.  ( I never threatened her)  So she would bring her gun to kid exchange.  Our state passed a law that anyone who feels threatened can shoot in self defense, at the time she said this.  I went to my local sheriff and asked what I can do to protect myself and was given a bunch of guidelines of behavior for kid exchange, and advised to call the other county's sheriff for help also.

I have been divorced for 7 years, 2 years ago they moved into my county and live within 10 miles of me.  She STILL goes out of her way to drive by my house...and still cyber stalks me.

I do fear for my well being... but mostly fear for my kids emotional well being.
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#21: September 29, 2011, 01:13:02 PM
The above post was in response to this one xxxxx



The Narcissist at Midlife: a narcissistic decompensation




WHO am I??????


What does decompensation mean? “Worsening psychiatric condition: the deterioration of existing psychological defenses in a patient already exhibiting pathological behavior.”

Decompensation is a removal of the props/ego defenses sustaining an inflated self-esteem that was unable to 'compensate' for an injury of some kind. In other words, decompensation is likely when the narcissist’s grandiosity is not validated by reality and their Image is impossible to sustain. At midlife, with all the struggles human beings have, narcissists have feelings of hopelessness, inadequacy, desperation, and confusion. Feelings they cannot tolerate, nor process. Midlife taxes narcissistic defenses, challenging the aging individual to mature. I believe that people who may have 'undeveloped narcissistic traits' will suffer, perhaps even have a crisis. That doesn't mean they can't grow and develop---Heinz Kohut leads us to believe that growing up is a lifelong process and we can develop immature aspects our ourselves. That's the thinking about a 'normal' person's midlife crisis.

Then, there's the midlife narcissist. The Tragic man. The collapsible man. The man who appeared to be a shark, suddenly turns into a jelly fish.  =msn tongue= Speaking personally, of course.

Anyone who has experienced the ‘collapsible man’ (or woman as the case may be), has been stunned by allegations that we were ‘deficient, controlling, smothering, incompetent’ any of the traits narcissists project onto other people. The midlife narcissist is someone who cannot swallow his pride and as a result, vomits all over the person closest to him or her. That would be the partner who for years, has supported them through thick-and-thin, becoming increasingly weary of the narcissist’s incessant demands. It’s not that we lack empathy or have become indifferent (though some do, it depends on the relationship), we are tired. Maybe there's a furrowed brow that 'sets 'em off', maybe our individuation triggers the narcissist's fears of abandonment. I don't know. What I do know is that all of a sudden, we are accused of being the person the narcissist cannot admit to being.

I started writing about narcissism on the Midlilfe Crisis forum back in 2003, after learning about this strange disorder called NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder). I had hoped, as many do, that my partner would work through his problems losing control, losing status, becoming another ordinary cog in the wheel of life; that he would eventually see that escaping reality was less enjoyable than embracing it. That he would wake up one morning with another woman in his bed and suddenly realize how much he loved and valued his family. That even if his wife was too weird for his tastes, his children needed him. This did not happen. If the midlife narcissist has not shown any signs of taking responsibility for behavior that hurts the people who loved and supported him for years, he likely won’t. He’s likely unable to face the destruction he caused, if he even realizes it (or is capable of bearing the truth long enough to see that HE is his biggest problem. Not the role he played in the family, nor the prickly personalities of family members).

It is never easy for ANYONE to tolerate the Walk of Shame when they realize what a mess they’ve made of their lives. It’s pretty darn painful for anyone to process ‘humiliation’ into ‘humility’. If your self-esteem is easily threatened by the mistakes and errors you make in life, grandiosity and self-deception become an easier way out…maybe even permanent. The ability to face other people’s disappointment and accept their willingness to forgive your mistakes is not something narcissists are capable of doing. Anytime we are forgiven, we are surrendering some of our power to BE FORGIVEN by another person holding the power To Forgive. This is an unbearable situation for a narcissist who must maintain the perception of superiority, especially if he or she sees other people as inferiors. Imagine a peon forgiving The King?

The midlife crisis with all the accompanying destruction people do to their lives when the Inner Child (or Inner Adolescent) is given free reign to act impulsively, selfishly and without consideration for others, is very hard to resolve. Depending on the degree of someone’s narcissism, they may NOT be able to face themselves after losing ‘face’ in their community. It takes a lot of self-worth and confidence to admit to having harmed other people you cared about. Still, many people are able to reconcile relationships and my assumption was that ‘everyone’ was capable or willing to do whatever they must to clean up the mess they made at midlife when our limitations stick out like a sore thumb and mortality becomes a certainty.


Oftentimes, a narcissistic injury of some kind precedes the midlife narcissist’s decompensation

In my life, my partner had suffered a major insult at work, his Star Status was sullied; any idea that he would be the next CEO of a major corporation was shattered. His own impulsive reactions had undermined his plans because at some point or other, people were unwilling to excuse his rash behavior. As other people have mentioned on WoN, my spouse was also involved in a sexual harassment suit which never went anywhere, but the threat was there. It was a constant reminder of his limitations. Those darn corporations! Imagine not being able to pat your secretary's ass!

The biggest threat though, was the damage his behavior did to his family's perceptions of him as a New-Age Fabulous Man who really ‘got’ women’s predicament in the workplace.

After his ‘breakdown’ at work, verbally abusing his boss (whoa…not a great career move, there buddy!), he lost his position in the company and was granted six-months paid leave to get himself together. Now wouldn’t you think that a normal person would avail themselves of the ‘free’ psychotherapy a company was willing to give? Wouldn’t you think that a normal person would be so grateful to a company that didn’t just FIRE his arse, but valued him enough to provide any help they could while he got himself back together?

That’s not what happened, however.

He was not grateful. He was resentful. I don’t believe at this point, that he had the capacity to process humiliation into humility. His anger increased, becoming a frightening rage at times, so furious was he at “institutions’. Institutions like corporations, religions, even marriage. Let me tell you, I was so confused at the time and tried my best to encourage him to get some help rather than relying on me. But he wouldn’t. He absolutely refused. He preferred sitting by a stream and contemplating like Siddhartha…as if the thinking that got him in this mess in the first place would get him OUT of the mess. He became more and more depressed, that much was obvious and his personality changed. He was more distant than ever and I could almost sense the ‘rage’ underneath his smile when talking to me. I was very unprepared for what was to come later…because I became the mother of all evils, the woman he feared would kill him, the person he saw as manipulative, hateful, and abusive. Which as anyone who knows me knows, is preposterous.

My concern for so many people writing about the midlife crisis is that they minimizing the danger of a partner who flips reality backwards and sees other people as ‘threats’ to the narcissist’s survival. For a narcissist you see, the False Self is the only self they know. When the False Self is exposed (or the mask slips), it IS life-threatening to a narcissist. If there is no False Self, there is no one inside…just a big dark abyss of bottomless rage and fear.

So when a partner confronts the midlife narcissist’s outrageous behavior, she might as well be pointing a machine gun in his face. That is how he perceives his loss of ‘status’ in her eyes. It IS life-threatening.

Forgiveness? Yea, you are likely willing to forgive. Understanding? Yea, you are likely to understand. But if someone MUST maintain power and control, your forgiveness and understanding are threats to their superiority. I remember saying to my husband, “Whatever has passed, has passed. Let’s work on our marriage. I forgive you.” And instead of tears and gratitude, he nearly bit my head off. “Forgive me?” he ranted. “I should be forgiving YOU; and I don’t!”

Bizarre. Reality turned backwards and we, the closest people to the narcissist, are the ones they must destroy. Would that they destroyed the False Self instead. But then, I don’t know. Maybe there really isn’t a wounded child inside just waiting to come out and play?

My questions to everyone (if you’re still reading this epistle, ha!) are these:

1): Was there a narcissistic injury of some kind preceding the midlife crisis?

2): Were you afraid for your life?

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WOW!!! this o/w must have been soooooooooo sick!!!!
#22: November 21, 2011, 07:34:05 PM
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#23: November 21, 2011, 08:35:09 PM
If your sick means ill, yes. A very ill, disturbed, desperate person. Nothing funny or amusing in that situation.

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Re: WOW!!! this o/w must have been soooooooooo sick!!!!
#24: November 21, 2011, 09:54:26 PM
  Horrible. What a disaster..OMG I am scared. The needless waste of life. The innocent victims. I will say a prayer for them. :'(
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#25: November 22, 2011, 06:43:14 AM
Wow! That is pretty scary...So sad and horrific. All the families that got hurt needlessly.

I have to admit...I kinda worry about this kind of thing as well happening.
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Re: WOW!!! this o/w must have been soooooooooo sick!!!!
#26: November 22, 2011, 09:28:48 AM
It is accounts like this that get me a little irritated when adultery is referred to as an affair. Like an affair is something romantic, suggesting there are connotations of love. It is nothing to do with love. Its dirty, messy and sick.

At best, people get hurt and broken, children damaged. At worst, people commit suicide and some people even get murdered.

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Re: WOW!!! this o/w must have been soooooooooo sick!!!!
#27: November 22, 2011, 12:28:02 PM
Great point Honour.  I'm going to try and avoid that word entirely.

People sorely underestimate the level of craziness in these situations.  My dear friend is most unfortunately, in my opinion, having an MLC.  Her husband caught her in bed with another man, in that man's home...the other man's wife was away. 

My friend's husband is someone I consider to be extremely kind, calm, shy even.  When he found them however, he exploded, sending the other man to the hospital with a severly broken nose.  My friend was injured slightly trying to break them up.  I think that actually, it's a blessing it ended there and worse things didn't happen. 

I don't think it matters if someone is the LBS, the adultere or adulteree (for lack of a better)...emotions run high, too high to expect people to keep their heads.  The situation referenced in this post is extreme but it isn't the first time, nor will it be the last.  Sadly.

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#28: November 22, 2011, 07:04:44 PM
Hey Ann do you think i would refer to that as funny....yes sick means ill........what type of person do you think i am or what type of person are you to even think that of me.....you don't know me and i don't like the way that post came across,in fact i feel and felt insulted it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:(
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#29: November 23, 2011, 06:54:57 PM
OMG not sure how someone can do that to sweet innocent children! So sad
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