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#20: June 09, 2010, 07:12:44 AM
MH, I wanted to share what we went through on the other post to celebrate how you have grown and moved on because you chose the path that you knew was right.In those couple of days you took out to reflect, you truly made the most of them and came back from being a caterpillar to a beautiful butterfly.You are now sharing that wisdom with many and to me thats what these posts are all about..learning individually and together, to look at what works and what doesnt work.YOU have done this all on your own and you are a credit to your family, your H and God.You like many other experienced poster now are self less in you battle working hard to help others.You deserve to be truly happy.The bond with our H you describe beautifully..the bond never goes.I see it with my BIL who chose to have an A and lost his marriage through it.My sis has moved on and so has he, but the bond they have allows them both to be wonderful parents.Fortunately his 2nd wife of 13 years is not intimidated by it and she is part of the family.(she wasnt the OW).The OW in my BIL sitch is broken, lost and hasnt been with anyone else...all her own doing.
MH I pray for you and your H and I am ssure when the fogs lift he will see the beauty that radiates from you.((hugs))
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Re: intuition
#21: June 09, 2010, 09:12:07 PM
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My H never fought for us either. Isn’t that what a real “man” is supposed to do? Although I’m sorry for their pain, I envy the women who’s H’s are on here learning and growing and fighting for their Ms.

One thing MLC does set apart the "men" from the "boys"...if you pay attention, these husbands who are fighting for their marriages are men who have "emotional investments" in their lives, ones with people, if you will, having a better understanding of the emotional aspects of life....whereas the ones who are having such a  hard time in MLC are people who have "material investments" or ones who have an ongoing love affair with the material aspects of this life.

The material investment people do not believe in spiritual things, and therefore when the MLC comes about, they are the ones most likely to self medicate with OW/OM/OP, spending large amounts of money, drink copious amounts of alcohol, take drugs, etc.

They are also the most likely, IF they come through the crisis, to suffer memory loss associated with going through the crisis, although they may face all their fears, process everything they are supposed to process, becoming what they are supposed to be;  but because of the continuing non belief in the emotional/spiritual aspects of life, they will not be brought forward to "guide" people through this, and so the memories would do them no good.

My husband was one of the above mentioned, the total opposite of me.

The emotional investment people are the ones most likely to have easy transitions, because they understand and believe in the spiritual aspects of life, and most of them have already learned some of the life's lessons we are all set to learn  in our lifetimes.

These are also the people who develop their intuitions, gain the necessary gifts they need to help others throughout their lifetimes, developing a deep relationship with the Lord as a result of what they endure, and are more accepting of being brought forward to help others in many ways, including retaining memories of what they endured within the spouse's crisis, so they can "guide" others if needed.

I'm one of the above mentioned.


I must have been a real fluke in this, because I was brought forward although my memories at first were totally dim, and almost nonexistent as of February of this year.  Yet, my husband had suffered an extended period of crisis involving a small child that got missed during his trip through the tunnel, resulting in him going through yet a different kind of tunnel...I wasn't seeing anything much for around 6 years or so, because I was going through my own transition.

For what it's worth, he is still processing, but becoming stronger as each day passes...he still pops in and out of the house,  sometimes disappearing on me and our son, BUT he IS coming forward, and that is all that matters for now....the child is now behind him, and I see a more mature man taking his place in the family as head of household...and I love what I'm seeing, though, he's unpredictable in that I never know what he's going to say, but it's all good. :)

Anyway.... :)
A friend of mine came to me back in February because her husband had gone into the tunnel, and while what she was describing was triggering memories that were faint, I just barely remembered the board I'd been on before where I had written the six stages, and the sermons....so I ran a search, thinking this was going to be simple, and it wasn't.......

In these last few months, I have had my memories restored to me, not quite in full, but they are there to be accessed, PLUS, I had instructions once I got past all the trouble I got into there, to search for some people I was sent to help....and I argued at first because I could NOT remember much of this at all.

You do reach a point in this where your memories will fade unless restored by the Lord...and He restored mine quickly...they were needed.

Now, the lessons I remembered clearly, but the some of the actual events I had trouble with, because they were stored in a place that I thought  I couldn't get to...but I always ask the Lord to help me remember what I know I cannot.

There are STILL memories that are there, but I cannot access them at all...and my son reminded me today of a time when my husband got angry because I was running late..and it was early days in the crisis...and like a teen, my husband was driving down the road at 90 miles an hour, screaming at me like a maniac, because he said it was MY fault we were running later for a get-together with another couple.   Son was in the back seat, not saying anything....now, I did not remember that on my own.  MLC was at its worst, and that was in the year 2000 is all I can remember.

You will find as time goes on, your memories WILL fade, just as mine did...and that's a good thing.

I have gained two people offline I'm currently guiding as well as what I'm doing here on the board as I can.

I will say this: I don't use much of my experience to guide people..I may illustrate things from that time to show that I understand, but I do pay attention to the various differences in the situations I see, and rely on the Lord to help me counsel, and that is why my advice ALWAYS varies with each person I speak to; there ARE differences in what I advise...now, if I draw a blank on someone,(and it does happen) I will use my experience and what I learned for a baseline, but if I know with a certainty that I cannot help with anything I might say, AND He has not given me anything to say, I will keep quiet...it is better to do that than to flounder out in deep waters without looking to Him for guidance.  I have no wish to hurt anyone or send them down a wrong direction.

I feel for everyone here, regardless of where they are within their journey, but I can tell you from experience, there is a light at the end of the tunnel, and it is not a runaway train, I can promise you that, having been there myself.

I'm not complaining, not at all; when you obey what God sets before you, the blessings in return are so much that you cannot contain them all, yet that is NOT why I obey Him, I am always humbled by His confidence in me.  I am the instrument that HE uses, I cannot do this on my own, without Him to help me.

And you know He doesn't call the qualified, He qualifies the called, and He's had to give me a crash course on this crisis once again.
Plus, I am willing to remember what I endured so I can help others through where ever they may be in their journey.

Yet, it's not just the crisis I'm teaching on, it's also a spiritual teaching regarding the Lord, and who He is, to help increase people's understanding of Him and how He relates to us all as we are within our trials and tribulations.  I did not understand the Lord very well at the beginning of my husband's crisis...I served Him, was devoted to Him, but I did not understand Him at all...through this crisis, I found a very understanding God, who was very interested in me as an individual, otherwise, He would not have sent someone to me when I was not in this very far to help me through not only his MLC, but my own transition as well, as an accountability partner, and that person stayed with me for many years...I contacted her less and less as time went on, and I took over on my own, learning to commune with Him directly...we are still friends, but I know I no longer need her, and I'm grateful He sent her to me.

 I do not know how long this time will last, but He knows, and that is all that is important.






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Re: intuition
#22: June 10, 2010, 11:01:25 PM
I am finding this thread very interesting.  M&H, to go back to a few posts ago, I had read that same thing on another forum way back at the beginning of this nightmare, the one about the woman who saw her husband praying for her when she was wondering who had prayed her out of her MLC.  That posting really motivated me to be consistent in praying for my H.  I know he is a child of God and that this is a spiritual battle and his heart does belong to God as his faith used to be very important to him, prior to MLC.  I also got chills when I read what you said about standing in the gap for our spouses.  I have laid all this out at the cross because really it was the only thing I could do, and I do feel that I am fighting for my H as well as myself.

I need to try meditation, if for nothing else than to try to focus on something positive rather than letting negatives take over.
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Re: intuition
#23: June 11, 2010, 12:18:38 AM
I go to a spiritual healer and it really helps.Mostly my grandparents and my H's mum who come through.Their messages have been totally consistent with the messages here our vets give us.Let him go, make his own mistakes, dont let his crisis get to you.He will find his way back however you will have moved on. Only god knows our paths. I pray for my H every night and for forgiveness that I hate so much another person that is the OW.
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Re: intuition
#24: June 11, 2010, 05:22:43 AM
Forgiveness is key in all of this.

When the kids get angry, I use the analogy of when their mom gets angry at another driver in the car and flips them off. Who suffers? The one she flipped off who may or may not have even seen it, or her? She goes down the road, angry, steaming, yelling, her blood pressure gets up, and it lasts a good half hour or more.

Who loses in this?

Forgiveness is for yourself.

The bible commands that we forgive, lest the Lord not forgive us as well.

Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.

I have forgiven H and OW. I am working on forgiving the friends I thought I had, who were rightfully first H’s friends, but became my friends. I let them into my heart and their betrayal was the hardest, somehow. It was more a falling from grace as I thought they were “better” than this, to help H sneak around behind my back and agree to lie for him, to help him commit adultery and destroy our family. They knew our struggles with these kids, and they knew how much of myself, heart and soul, I had put into making this family come through all their crises. And they still shut me out completely.

I’m reading a book now, the “How to Survive Your Husband’s Midlife Crisis” and I’m finding it good, but many women in here seem bitter to me, and there was even the comment that MOST women in The Midwife Wives Club did not succeed in saving their marriage. Perhaps this is how the author chose to present the posters to their boards, but to me, they sound bitter and angry. When you do not forgive, it turns to bitterness, which eats away at you and changes you fundamentally.

If you cannot forgive, it is my belief and my stance that you will not receive your marriage back, and if you do, it will not last.
(Romans 12:14) 14 Bless those who persecute you; bless, and don’t curse.
 (I Peter 3:9) 9 not rendering evil for evil, or insult for insult; but instead blessing; knowing that to this were you called, that you may inherit a blessing.
 (Matthew 6:14-15) 14 “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you don’t forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
(Matthew 18:21-22) 21 Then Peter came and said to him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Until seven times?” 22 Jesus said to him, "“I don’t tell you until seven times, but, until seventy times seven.
(Mark 11:25-26) 25 Whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against anyone; so that your Father, who is in heaven, may also forgive you your transgressions. 26 But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father in heaven forgive your transgressions.”"
 (Romans 12:19-21) 19 Don’t seek revenge yourselves, beloved, but give place to God’s wrath. For it is written, “Vengeance belongs to me; I will repay, says the Lord.” 20 Therefore “If your enemy is hungry, feed him. If he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in doing so, you will heap coals of fire on his head.” 21 Don’t be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
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Forgiveness is the fragrance the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it.  ~Mark Twain

Once a woman has forgiven her man, she must not reheat his sins for breakfast.  ~Marlene Dietrich

The weak can never forgive.  Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.  ~Ghandi

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Re: intuition
#25: June 11, 2010, 05:58:50 AM
it all make so much sense and its right..but its hard so hard.I have forgiven my H cos I know he's unwell.I cant forgive OW yet cos she pusued a weak man and was calculating in how she did it.She used my dad a very sick and weak old man.She has destroyed my kids and othe R's too.I am am trying but struggling to forgive her.(She had same done to her) but no way I could down that road.
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Re: intuition
#26: June 11, 2010, 06:17:57 AM
Forgiveness is key in all of this.

 When you do not forgive, it turns to bitterness, which eats away at you and changes you fundamentally.

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Re: intuition
#27: June 11, 2010, 07:58:21 AM
Beautiful post on forgiveness, M&H.  It is key here.  I haven't found it so hard to forgive my H.  Granted, sometimes I have to work on forgiving the same thing more than once.:)  Maybe it is because of my love for him, maybe it is God's grace, maybe it is because I have seen his pain, but he hasn't been too hard to forgive.  I had been having a harder time forgiving my in-laws for their role in his childhood issues, but I am working through that.  The OW?  I can't forgive until I know for sure for some reason.  I think there was one, and I think I know who it is/was.  She was a mess, so maybe if it is ever confirmed forgiving her won't be impossible.
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Re: intuition
#28: June 11, 2010, 10:02:25 AM
Trusting -- for me it was important to know the truth.  Once I did the rest can follow. 
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Re: intuition
#29: June 11, 2010, 12:56:30 PM
T&L, I know what you mean.  It bothers me that I don't know for sure one way or the other on the whole OW thing.  Earlier on I confronted him but of course he denied.  I don't think he would confess yet either.  I'm sure he thinks covering it up will mean it will never come to light but I don't believe that to be true.
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