Midlife Crisis: Support for Left Behind Spouses
Archives => Archived Topics => Topic started by: Roma on December 05, 2016, 08:06:10 AM
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GOOD NEWS... we don't know what Trump will do about it yet, so we CELEBRATE... :) PROTEST OVER...(for now)
Protesters claim major victory with Army Corps in battle over Dakota Access Pipeline
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dakota-access-pipeline-protesters-claim-victory-army-corps-easement/
previous thread: http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=8414.0
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It's good news, but it's complicated. They can likely keep pushing the pipeline through and just pay government fines. That's where big business always has a way. >:( Camp won't be breaking up anytime soon, but there are good things about that, too. They're making a difference. If it gets re-routed, wherever it goes will be more educated about the dangers. If it stopped altogether - well, that might be a 'pipe dream'. ;) But it would be wonderful for all of us.
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Although, my family is Cherokee, we've stood in solaridarity with other indigenous tribes. This was truly amazing!
Veterans at Standing Rock shock tribe members, beg forgiveness for war crimes against tribal nations
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/12/5/1607591/-Veterans-at-Standing-Rock-shock-tribe-members-beg-forgiveness-for-war-crimes-against-tribal-nations
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Any thoughts on this? Has it ever been done before? Is this a conflict of interest? Should Trump continue to run his several businesses while the US President?
Donald J. Trump's senior adviser Kellyanne Conway defended the president-elect's decision to stay on as an executive producer of The New Celebrity Apprentice when he assumes office, saying presidents have the right to do things in their "spare time."
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-work-celebrity-apprentice-spare-time-adviser/story?id=44089485
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Fake news and the supposed Russian hacking of Hillary's email played a huge part in this past election. You can heck here to see if anything you read came from these 'fake news' sites.
Snopes' Field Guide to Fake News Sites and Hoax Purveyors
http://www.snopes.com/2016/01/14/fake-news-sites/
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Amazing! I just posted about this and look what the Washington Post just reported
BREAKING NEWS:
National Security
Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/?utm_term=.deb4fc20b51b
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I admit, I didn't vote for Hillary, yet this 'thank you tour' from Trump grates my nerves. I really feel he thinks he is some kind of Rock star. It reminds me of the 'Victory' tour of the Jackson 5 from years ago.
I do feel compassion for Hillary and her voters. If it's true about the Russian hackers our democracy as a whole has been compromised. We ALL should feel concern that our voting system can be manipulated like that by someone no matter who you voted for!
I guess it makes it worse because I feel Trump wanted to WIN, yet not really run the country, no matter how he won, or that Hillary had so many more votes than him.
It's a long shot yet I'm rooting for the electors who vote Monday, vote to be successful
in overturning the Trump vote and have Hillary win! I choose to be fair and not allow Trump who chooses to ignore international briefings not be elected.
I can't imagine what we (the USA) will become and not looking forward to it either.
All just my opinion. Please don't bash me.
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Never in my entire life have I ever seen confirmation hearings so contentious! People are interrupting,getting thrown out, maybe arrested like I've never seen! Has anyone ever seen anything like this before? Normally these are pretty boring.
BTW, has anyone read the new reports on Trump helping Russia hack Clinton or something like that? What was that all about?
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I think there needs to be a new title to this thread. lol
Just checked twitter and what I was hoping wouldn't come true has.
Trump signed an Executive Order to start the pipeline back up.
Something is just not right with this man! His heart isn't equip with anything human.
All he sees is try to make money, no matter who it harms.
Here is the tweet :(:
5 hours ago
More
Signing orders to move forward with the construction of the Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines in the Oval Office. – at The Oval Office
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Boooo
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My God, Trump made the Muslim ban real. If there are any Muslims here, I'm sorry, a very misguided person was somehow elected. As an American, please forgive the ignorance of the new person that calls himself President. We all don't agree with him at all.
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This man gets scarier by the day. Trying to ban all abortions nationwide, too.
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I heard about that Thunder. I have such an uneasy feeling. I no longer feel comfortable in this country.
A coworker of mine is a Librarian. She is a Muslim from another country, yet became an American citizen. She is dark and doesn't look like a 'natural born American'.
She told us about a month ago she got stopped on her way to work at the Library and given a ticket for going 80 on the highway. She said it just wasn't true. but given the ticket anyway.
I must have been the only one that connected she might have gotten the ticket for LOOKING Muslim.
Did they stop her just to check her out and make sure her paperwork was ok and she wasn't a 'terrorist'?
I agree! Times are really getting scary!
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ISLAM is older than Christinaity.
Native Americans were here already!
Trump really need to educate himself on these facts.
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What does he say about Muslims? All I can find is:
This official said that Trump will also potentially bar for 30 days the issuance of U.S. visas to people from Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen — all Muslim-majority countries — until new visa procedures are developed. Residents from many of these places are already rarely granted U.S. visas. Trump may ask DHS and the director of national intelligence to evaluate whether immigrants are being adequately screened for potential terrorist ties.
Washington Post
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Hi Calamity,
Trumped signed an executive order so that no Muslims from certain countries can't enter the US.
Next he was discussing a wall he wants to construct on the southern border keeping 'Mexicans' out
More to come as it's on TV now :(
Such blatant racism!
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He also signed the Executive Order for the wall on the Southern border. The construction will begin shortly.
This man is just sick!
We often discuss immaturity and Narcissism on this site, Trump is both of them, no need to ever be confused about those terms .
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ISLAM is older than Christianity.
Native Americans were here already!
Trump really need to educate himself on these facts.
Actually this is not true.
Muhammad began preaching Islam around 610 AD.
Therefore Christianity is older than Islam.
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ISLAM is older than Christinaity.
No, it is not. Islam only come to be in the 7th Century AD. Christianity dates from the mid first century AD. It is Judaism that is older than Crhistianity. Judaism is more than 3000 years old.
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I came back to change that and you all jumped on it first haha. You are correct Islam is younger than Christinaity by about 500 years.
People are very misdirected when it comes to Islam and wantto blame everything that goes wrong on Muslims which really irritates me.
I have a lot of compassion for Muslims.
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Federal judge halts implementation of Trump’s Muslim ban at airports
https://thinkprogress.org/federal-judge-halts-trumps-muslim-ban-ecb48670b4ec#.4pxxcfg5k
Thank goodness. It's temporary yet finally someone who knows The Constitution with power to stop the injustice has stepped in. YAY!
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I couldn't agree more!!! ;D
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:D @Thunder,
I just heard on the news, if anyone knows of any refuges that need to escape from their country, the head of Canada says all are welcome.
I'm afraid this currant President of the US, will be here for four years, and I see no letting up on his policies.
Bothers me so much, even people holding green cards and other proper visas and even US citizens have been turned away and detained at airports. :(
It's a huge mess here! Such blatant racism is not supposed to be what this country is about.
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Almost makes one wonder if the timing on the immigration order wasn't to distract folks from the order changing the National Security Council membership -- which isn't getting as much attention....
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-steve-bannon-national-security-council-2017-1
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Trump has been quite adept at distracting from issues or answers in business and politics.
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Almost makes one wonder if the timing on the immigration order wasn't to distract folks from the order changing the National Security Council membership -- which isn't getting as much attention....
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-steve-bannon-national-security-council-2017-1
@Onward I feel it's all related. A bunch of bigots run this country now. I am not Muslim yet have deep compaction for them. I try to study all religions.
From my personal experience I keel Muslims are the kindest people. This country is just so brainwashed to think what the media told then to think.
I don't have much hope for the US, it seems to be getting worse each day.
Watching the people from foreign countries protesting in the streets, hearing visas/green cards denied after they spent years being vetted, fingerprinted and approved, is what's going on now. And It's such a shame!
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Here is what we as citizens/US residents CAN DO. Contact your Congressman and or Senator and say: I AM YOUR CONSTITUANT AND I WANT: (your prepared request here)
List by state of your US Congressmen contact information: http://www.house.gov/representatives/
List by state of your US Senator contact information: https://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
The people have ore power than we think, it just takes each one of us to make a simple phone call or email. It's been working.
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I've been using http://www.5calls.org to quickly give me the right numbers for the issues I care about and really good scripts to make the calls quick and easy.
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Hate to be a wet blanket, but calls and letters to Congressmen do absolutely nothing other than giving people the illusion of having a voice. Both parties are going to vote on party lines regardless and probably never take the time to read any of the letters sent to them or listen to the calls. And why would they? Most often it's the vocal minority that's doing so.
On another note, I fail to see the big deal about a temporary block on travel from terrorist-heavy countries. I have friends who have spent time over there and it's an understatement to say those countries are a different world from ours. Suicide bombers at schools and weddings, murdering gays in broad daylight and persecuting Christians to death in every way possible. Why in the world would we want to allow the radicals in our country and why not take EVERY precaution to keep them out? My kids safety compared to a few people being temporarily inconvenienced is not worth a second thought. Would you also want us to freely allow convicted serial killers in the country to run free? I'd say a suicide bomber at a school pep rally is far worse than the worst serial killer this country has ever seen, and God knows how many are ALREADY here who believe that Christians and gays deserve to die and that they'll go to Heaven for killing them. Not worried about "inconveniencing" a few people whatsoever.
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Hi Thundarr,
The most people that need to fear ISIS are other Muslims. The innocent ones would be the ones fleeing and coming to this and other countries.
Where is this outrage when domestic terrorists kill?
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Hi Elegance,
The families of the Christians who ISIS burned alive in cages might disagree with your statement, as would the Pulse nightclub and San Bernardino survivors. Regardless, terrorism is terrorism whether it is Osama bin Laden or Timothy McVeigh. And terror groups are terror groups whether it is ISIS, AL Qaida, BlackLivesMatter or the KKK.
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How is Black Lives Matter a 'terrorist group' when they are only trying to save their lives?
Oh Thundarr I feel you've been purposely deliberately misinformed.
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No group needs to burn down businesses, destroy property, assault innocent civilians or block traffic including emergency vehicles to save their lives. The message does not match the actions, leading one to conclude that the message is simply a red herring intended to divert attention from the true ulterior motives. The ones driving the riots and pushing the behaviors are anarchists, socialists and anti-Americans in general. Americans have the right to peaceful protest, not to use intimidation and power/ control to assert their will onto others. Don't believe the hype.
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Thundarr,
Have you personally sat down and talked with any members of Black Lives Matter or are you going by what TV shows you?
You might be surprised and maybe gain understanding if you have.
Tell me something, what is more important to you, human lives or property?
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Why in the world would we want to allow the radicals in our country and why not take EVERY precaution to keep them out? My kids safety compared to a few people being temporarily inconvenienced is not worth a second thought. Would you also want us to freely allow convicted serial killers in the country to run free?
Fair enough... If we're going to be irrationally fearful... and ignore the Constitution... Given the massacre of quietly praying Muslims that just took place in Quebec last week (and the fact that by far the majority of 'terrorist' deaths in Canada have occurred at the hands of white libertarian gun nuts), I believe we'd like to keep all our Muslims, thank you, and deport the white supremacist blowhards. The former are good citizens. The latter, can we just send 'em south of the 49th? And then build a wall? ;) Just a temporary inconvenience, I'm sure.
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One could argue that the terrorists' cause is "just" as they are acting based upon their religious beliefs, but I think we can all agree that their tactics are unacceptable. Perhaps if they chose to block streets and barricade innocent people, attack and beat innocent civilians, attack and disrespect the police and burn down people's homes and destroy their livelihood rather than what they currently do then America would be more sympathetic to them. Given the fact that won't be happening anytime soon, I'd prefer they be kept out any way possible. 3,000+ innocents lost their lives on 9/11. A dirty bomb or series of explosive devices could yield a much higher body count. That taken into account, I'm much less sympathetic to those who've had their travel plans put on hold for four months. And while we're at it, I hope the wall is coming along quickly as I'd rather the cartels and barbaric gangs along the border in Mexico be kept out as well.
As for BLM, how would you classify them as any better than the KKK? They are two sides of the same coin, and I'll bet if white supremacists were doing what BLM has been doing then Twitter would be overrun with calls to deport or arrest them.
Lastly, on the subject of refugees. Have you done any research on what the designation "refugee" entitles a person to? They can move about the country entirely untracked and unaccountable for their actions with no way for us to know who they are and whether or not they are truly fleeing anything. What better way for a wolf in sheep's clothing to slip in. By my estimation, America can help the refugees every bit as much OUTSIDE our borders as we can inside them. If you disagree with me then please share how many total strangers you have sleeping in your home right now who needed a roof over their head. Trump said he feels for them and will help them in every possible way while protecting national security. I fail to see why that's not a comfortable medium and why we can't give him a chance to see if that works or not.
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I would like to hear how Trump would plan on helping these refugee outside of our country?
What would that look like? They can't come in so what? Fly over medicine, clean water and food? Drop tents for them? What?
About half of these refugees are women, usually head of households, the other half are children. Only 2% are single men of combat age. Maybe just leave the young men out? Or maybe we could build a prison to house them, just in case.
As far as having a perfect stranger sleep in your house. Do you really think Homeland Security would just allow anyone to walk across our borders without vetting them??? I think their a bit smarter than that, don't you?
As far as "the wall"...who is going to pay for this wall? It's estimated cost is between 12 and 15 BILLION dollars.
We can't count on Mexico to pay for our national security. It's the responsibility of every nation to take care of their own security.
So we would need to either offset the cost by spending cuts, or taxing the American people.
Which is it going to be?
I'm sorry but that wall is NOT going to get built any time soon unless Congress can figure out where that money is going to come from.
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Thunder, I'm not sure where you got your stats from but every news report and video I've seen of the refugees is far and away fighting aged men. That was Trump's point during the campaign. I would also like to know what will be done for them outside of letting them inside these borders but we routinely help others in foreign countries already.
As for Homeland Security, do you realize the person Obama had in charge as Secretary was a lawyer who had contributed a lot to his campaign? That was done very quietly. The new SOHS is a retired 4-star general whose expertise was security so I trust he knows what he's doing. Obama's priority was NOT our nation's security and that became apparent early in his second term.
As for how much the wall will cost, on his way out Obama bequeathed 6 billion to the UN and its programs and 2.5 billion to the Palestinians but that one was blocked by Trump. We've had 8 years of our budget being managed by a guy who had never held a position that involved managing a budget. There may be tough times and sacrifices ahead for us but one needs look no further than the fact that over the last 8 years our national debt increased more than all other years COMBINED. It's not a matter of being pro or anti Trump as the media tries to paint it but rather having faith that we now have people in position who actually KNOW what they're doing whether we agree or not. And remember, we're basing our opinions on what little information we have while Trump has access to far more than we will ever know. Who knows what he might be trying to prevent that would throw the country into a panic if we knew it was going on.
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Thundarr,
You're too intelligent to blame Obama for out National Debt. You know who manages our budget.
Bottom line is we are in debt mainly because of Congress overspending and not enough tax revenue coming in from the wealthy. I believe when Regan took office the tax rate for the wealthy was 70%, maybe higher. What do they pay now? Next to nothing.
Politfact and our State Department said that 3/4 of the Syrian refugees are women and children, a full 1/3 of those are kids under 12 years of age.
Of the 1/4 of men only 2% are military aged men with no families.
Not my facts.
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Thundarr,
Before I spoke or thought anything about Black Lives Matter, I took the time to talk to members on Twitter and found that News outlets had things VERY wrong when it all began in 2014. These are normal Black American college kids who started it and did NOT participate in ANY violence or destruction of property.
It was outside agitators who did that, which they felt took away from their message that Black people's lives matter when some cops killed other innocent Black people. They wanted to raise awareness to their cause.
Now, I am not sure yet you said they should all be deported or arrested? Did you mean all Black people? Just young Black people? or the innocent ones killed for no reason? I'm confused by your statement. Deported to where exactly when they are Americans? Arrested for what?
How are young Black American college students terrorists for this?
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The verdict in IN hasn't hit the papers yet. Trump LOSES and the Travel Ban for immigrants (Muslims) is lifted, for now. It was unconstitutional. YAY! The Statue of Liberty is smiling once again! That is what the USA is about.
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And now he will go to some other court. ::) It is like dealing with a MLCer. ::)
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And now he will go to some other court. ::) It is like dealing with a MLCer. ::)
He will most likely lose because this was one of the higher courts here and the verdict came from all 3 justices.2 were Republicans,his same party. This court's ruling set's presidence.
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The problem here is that there is a particular news channel that promotes spreading fear , discrimination and hatred for Muslims, Mexicans and others who are not white and Christian.
Trump is acting on those false beliefs and really thinks what he did or is doing is protecting the country when he is not at all.
His followers also watch that awful 'news' channel and agree with him.
The sad part is that Trump filled his cabinet with many of these people and fired the ones who disagreed with him.
The best part is that there is no proof, and the majority of American people don't believe all the falsehoods spread and have been protesting, and won in court today...for now.
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But, what if.......that "awful news channel" was right and we are letting extremely dangerous people into our country who have insidious agendas?
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What, you mean more insidious than Dylan Roof?? I guess that's what law enforcement is for. You can't ban people for the colour of their skin, the nature of their faith, nor what thoughts they might think someday. Per your own Constitution. The American judiciary rocks.
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I am not a lawyer yet do live by FACTS. If it can't be proven, then it just doesn't exist. It's what my culture teaches.
I see no need for some 'news' channel to drum up unnecessary fears. It's just not the way I live.
Give me evidence, just like a court of law, or let it fly.
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And the deck of cards continue to fall...
What is going to happen next? What did Trump really know?
Michael Flynn, Trump's national security adviser, resigns amid controversy over Russia call
http://abcnews.go.com/US/michael-flynn-trumps-national-security-adviser-resigns-official/story?id=45473242&yptr=yahoo
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So now lies are 'incomplete information' [Flynn] or 'alternate truths' [Conway]. Newspeak.
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Calamity,
These are not just regular lies, these are much much much serious transgressions, directly impacting our national security. I wonder how long will it take for these spineless and brainless Republicans in Congress to stand up to this Administration? So far they have been nothing but a rubber stamping machine endorsing this criminal absurd.
I also do not believe that Flynn is the last in the chain of these actions. Just now I read that the campaign officials were in constant contact with Russian officials. Putin is outraged at Flynn's ousting, I read in Russian and German press. Yet the "gray cardinal" insisted that these contacts did not exist. Also WH new about this contacts and their content 18 days prior. I wonder who sanctioned these talks?
We now know more about any refugee that is trying to enter this country, than about tax returns of our President.
Heaven helps America.
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Thundarr,
If you do not want refugees, and all these "very dangerous" people into our country, please stop supporting politicians that enable and propagate wars around the globe. Instead of banning these people from coming to our country, we should pay hefty and just restitution to the people of Iraq, and Syria, both countries were effectively destroyed by our tax payers moneys. ISIS and other terrorist organizations are directly financed by the US, under the cover of moderate Syrian opposition. Assad is not a sweet heart, but it is not our job to police the World. The goal of this war is not to establish democracy and human rights in Syria, it is to change Assad with someone who can cut deals with Saudi Arabia and Turkey in building oil pipelines, which will thwart Russian geopolitical interests in the region. You do not want refugees, guess what you do not enable and support wars that created these refugees. American ignorant arrogance has not limits, truly.
And if the purpose of this ban was to really stop the dangerous people from coming to our country, then the first country on this list should have been Saudi Arabia, the country that finances and propagates jihad, and all sorts of religion-based extremism, followed by Pakistan, and Turkey.
Concerning the so-called wall. Do you know that we have had net negative immigration from Mexico. Meaning there are more people leaving the US than coming. The ones that crossed the boarder are already in the US, so the wall is nothing but appealing to frightened and uninformed base. Moreover there is modern infrared and drone technology that does the job very well, without of course the propaganda factor of the wall. If Mr. Trump wants to fight illegal immigration he should start managing demand side of the problem, created by corporate America, who he represents.
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I received an email this morning from a local paper saying that Russian spy ships were spotted not too far away from me.
This makes me uncomfortable. What is it Russia is looking for? Haven't they done enough damage to us by altering election results?
In a way, I feel sorry for Trump. I feel he was used/is being used by Putin for some reason and endangering American security inadvertently, unknowingly.
What could be going on?
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I received an email this morning from a local paper saying that Russian spy ships were spotted not too far away from me.
This makes me uncomfortable. What is it Russia is looking for? Haven't they done enough damage to us by altering election results?
In a way, I feel sorry for Trump. I feel he was used/is being used by Putin for some reason and endangering American security inadvertently, unknowingly.
What could be going on?
I think they are testing Trump and they might be in for a rude awakening.
I believe that he will defend you and our country.
Lets see what happens.
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I would certainly hope so. ???
I would hope any president would defend our country.
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Old Pilot,
They are not testing Trump, they already tested him, and he passed, Putin's test. Yesterday, he said that he does not see any problem with Flynn talking to Russians, which I am sure he endorsed. His Secretary of State, Tyllerson, is Putin's friend too and proudly carries his Friendship medal, awarded by him.
And all the people that voted for him have hope against all hopes that he will protect America. I would not trust my gold fish with Trump, much less our security. It is really frightening to think that this person has an access to nuclear codes.
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Elegance,
You seriously feel sorry for Trump and the clowns around him for being used by Putin? Are we back to kindergarden? He is the President of the most powerful country in the World, his surroundings were/have been talking to Russian intelligence for a long time, he dealt with the Russian oligarchs, etc, etc. You sound like our MLC ers, who did not do anything, they were used and abused. It is time for all of us to take a sobering view. You know what Trump's pronouncements were Vis.a Vis NATO, common defense, European allies, Japan's defense, One China policy, etc, etc. We are not having a play date with the pal next door. These are very serious and complex issues, which Trump and his surroundings have no capacity to grasp, much less deal with in a competent manner. Was somebody holding a gun to Flynn's head telling him to repeatedly call Russian ambassador and discuss sanctions? He is a grown man, general, statesman, who among other things also have Top Secret clearance with polygraph. Just today Trump told that Flynn is unjustly targeted by media, and that the intelligence leaks are unpatriotic. Please, sorry for Trump. Enough.
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Nothing to do with Trump news yet,
Probable Cause To Charge Chris Christie In Bridgegate, Judge Rules
http://patch.com/new-jersey/mendham-chester/probable-cause-charge-chris-christie-bridgegate-judge-rules
karmirtsaghik,
I normally just don't reply to an argument, yet I feel my words were taken out of context which is understandable and happens fairly often online.
These are the times in Politics that no one should just look away. Get involved no matter where you stand.
Saw a congresswoman last night on tv who said Trump's actions were reminiscent of Nixon and they are looking at impeachment.
Let's see what happens.
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Just heard on TV Trump say a new immigration order is coming next week.
Sigh, when will he figure it out?
Do I personally need to send the US Constitution to him?
Will he really have to be humiliated once again to finally get it?
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Trump Jokes About Blowing Up Russian Spy Ship Spotted Off Connecticut Coast
http://patch.com/connecticut/groton/russian-spy-ship-no-longer-30-miles-groton-sub-base-still-east-coast-waters-ct
I don't know yet is this really wise? All this nonsense about keeping innocent people out of the country yet he toys with a USA 'enemy'?
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Vice Admiral Robert Harward, has turned down the offer to be National Security Advisor, a senior White House official said on Thursday.
Very, very wise man.
Distance yourself from "the Donald" and his crazies.
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This morning I start training for my new job as a Teacher which I an excited about. They requested we bring two forms of ID.
So I have a copy of my driver's licence and my birth certificate. As I mentioned before I do happen to look Latino, even though I am not and get mistaken for being one all the time.
I'm thinking it might be a good idea to always carry my birth certificate because I'm hearing about all of these random deportations and frankly it's kind of scary.
I was born in this USA and my heritage is mixed with Native American. So out of everyone I should have no problem right?
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The amount of misinformation and propaganda on this thread is staggering. Random deportations? As if the government is just going to Willy-Nilly start rounding up people to deport? Should we all carry ID so that the Trump Gestapo doesn't ship us out, too? And who doesn't carry ID all the time anyway? Scare tactics and/ or incredible paranoia abound. Our borders are insecure. I'll bet you lock your house at night and don't allow strangers to freely come and go as they please so why not apply that to those who will have access to our kids schools and our families? There are dangerous criminals already wandering around here whose countries of origin won't take them back because of their heinous deeds. Do you want them here and living next door to you? Hell no. Don't be foolish and paint this as "keeping all those good people out." Most are fine but there are many who are not.
OP is a military guy, and like EVERY SINGLE ONE of my military friends who have seen what the attitudes toward America are in the Middle East is in favor of the travel ban. I live near Fort Knox and the prevailing question is why didn't Obama do something like this years ago? Hidden agenda, maybe? I don't think you guys live under a rock so I can't believe you honestly think that the reason they want to destroy us is because they are called to do so by their religion along with our support of Israel. If you don't understand that I'd say you don't fully comprehend how the world works.
And this whole movement of wanting Trump to fail or trying to find a way to impeach him is unAmerican and borderline anarchist. There's a lot of butthurt going around because Hillary lost in a shocking defeat after an ugly campaign, but let's give Trump a chance and see what happens. We suffered through 8 years of a Teflon-coated figurehead president and none of our lives are better now than they were before so maybe this time will be different. Or maybe many Americans actually want leaders who lie, double-speak and ultimately do nothing.
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What "hidden agenda" do you think Obama had??
All I have to say is when someone says, give Trump and chance I say give him a chance just like the Republicans gave Obama a change. No more, no less.
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Thunder,
I don't recall mass protests, media attacks and calls for impeachment 3 weeks after Obama took office but I could be wrong. Obama had a Socialist agenda and I honestly believe an ulterior motive to harm the country from the inside out. Now it's funny that those allegations are being leveled against Trump despite no obvious gain or allegiance to an outside entity like Obama had. It's astounding what people will believe, honestly.
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Obama had an ulterior motive to harm our country??? whew!
So you don't remember all the protests against Obama with people putting a Hitler moustache on signs of him?
Really?
I agree it's astounding what people believe.
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Well Trump had at least one thing correct at yesterdays press conference
The country is very divided.
And my thoughts are
At this point no one from either side is doing anything to reunite it.
That is the sad part.
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OP is a military guy, and like EVERY SINGLE ONE of my military friends who have seen what the attitudes toward America are in the Middle East is in favor of the travel ban.
Of course, when you go and occupy their countries, send in drones that kill innocent civilians, put on sanctions that drive people into severe poverty, why would anyone expect them to have a favorable attitude?
When the Chinese eventually get around to occupying the US and set up checkpoints you have to pass through on your way to work, you'll get the attitudes. But attitudes to not necessarily translate to attacks on US soil.
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Well Trump had at least one thing correct at yesterdays press conference
The country is very divided.
And my thoughts are
At this point no one from either side is doing anything to reunite it.
That is the sad part.
Maybe I should re-phrase.
The WORLD is very divided.
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I don't recall mass protests, media attacks and calls for impeachment 3 weeks after Obama took office but I could be wrong. Obama had a Socialist agenda and I honestly believe an ulterior motive to harm the country from the inside out.
Our borders are insecure. I'll bet you lock your house at night and don't allow strangers to freely come and go as they please so why not apply that to those who will have access to our kids schools and our families?
I don't think you guys live under a rock so I can't believe you honestly think that the reason they want to destroy us is because they are called to do so by their religion along with our support of Israel. If you don't understand that I'd say you don't fully comprehend how the world works.
Yup, it's astounding what people will believe.
Er, you do realize this is not a board exclusive to Americans, right? I'm your neighbor leaning over the fence and saying, "Hooo boy, you gotta mess going on there... Maybe you wanna call the cops?" We're allowed to have that opinion (un-American is not the point).
Those brown people (so scary!) "want to destroy us because of their religion". Really?? Thundarr, you do realize the US has had a 2-year vetting process in place for years? Those people Trump is turning away are the good guys, per your own security force. Your door hasn't been open, not at all. Just now you've installed a whole pile of extra deadbolts and are hiding under the bed. And deporting grandmothers, and women who complained of domestic abuse, to places they haven't lived in since they were infants. That's the scary part. Thundarr, I'm brown. I'm not of the same religion as you. And if I lived on your side of the border, think I'd find all the scaremongering and xenophobia mighty offensive (and maybe even march in a protest or three). Instead I'm cheerleading your judiciary. They've actually read your Constitution.
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OP,
I have followed politics for many years and in my opinion all this divisiveness started when the Republicans wanted to impeach Bill Clinton, which the vast majority of Americans did not agree with. Ken Starr getting a standing ovation from the Republicans?? It started a war between the parties. A war that I don't think ever ended.
Some of the divisiveness with the world was Cheney's war with Iraq. It should never have happened. All the unnecessary deaths of our military men and women, and our allies.
Just my opinions.
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Many psychiatrists believe Trump suffers from NPD. Whether you agree with his policies or not, whether you think he is patriotic or not if indeed suffers from it, this is truly a danger to the country. I've had an opportunity to closely observe someone in a position of power with a personality very much like his. Such a person is easily manipulated by others who want to use him for their own gain, such a person is easily manipulated by foreign entities, foreign entities can easily plant people in his inner circle who will then attempt to influence his actions. On the one hand such people can seem like bullies and threatening, but they also are so so easy to be turned into puppets by appealing to certain elements of their personality. What scares me the most is that the Russians probably have experts in mind warfare who are very skilled at getting him to do what they want without him even realizing he is being manipulated. He may very well be honest when he says he has no connections with the Russians, because he genuinely doesn't realize he does.
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Thundarr,
Your vision of how the World works, and arrogance of your uninformed messages is really what is staggering. You yourself admited on one of these threads that you do not know much about the World leaders and do not care to know, and if somebody disagrees with the US's stance then US should cut aid to these countries. Remember.
Do you know that ISIS for example is a structure that receives funds from CIA, that but for our imoral and illegal war in Iraq, we would not have had the quagmire in Middle East. Why Saudi Arabia is our best ally in Middle East, the country that finances and propagates religion fanatisicsm, why Turkey is a NATO member still, while they deal with and enrich the coffins of ISIS, and other terrorist organizations? It shows that the reason for and underlying causes for these wars are not religious.
Middle East is not this big black cloud as opposed to shining star of the US or other European democracies. There was more religious tolerance in Assad's Syria then for example in many Western European countries. Assad is a dictator, but he is also a democratically elected leader of a sovereign country, that now we effectively destroyed in order to advance our agenda in Middle East.
Do you know that in spite of fanatic pronouncements of Iran's leaders the majority of yes Islamic state of Iran are very friendly and have very positive attitudes towards the US, and this is in spite of what we did to their country in 1953, and as of today failed to apologize.
It is not our job to police the World, to engage in proxy wars in order to orchestrate regime changes. The World does not function the way you described Islam vs. US. There are 1 bln followers of Islam, you cannot bunch everyone in the same category, based on the religion. Islam is every bit as heterogenous as Christianity, and it is our job to inform ourselves of these differences before we put everyone in one basket. Fear and ignorance are overwhelming in the US.
Concerning calls for Trump's impeachment. You would remember yes Trump, starting the birther movement and walking with the bunch of lunatic lawyers readying to challenge Barack Obama's birth certificate, untill Obama produced the long version of the said document. There is a very good Jewish saying that comes to mind "Do not pee on my leg and tell me it is raining".
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I never said that it was Muslims vs. the US, and acknowledged that MOST of the refugees coming into our country are good people. The problem lies in that even conservative (meaning low) estimates of the percentage of Muslims who are radicalized and follow the teachings and interpretations of the one mullah who called for the destruction of America is 20%. Now, 20% doesn't sound like a big number since it's only 1 in 5, but given the number of Muslims in the world that puts the number being greater than the population of the United States! Think about that. Estimates are that there are more Muslims in the world who want to see us either dead or converted to Islam than there are people in the U.S. Pretty staggering.
As far as diagnosing Trump with NPD or any other type of disorder, he has been analyzed and cleared by top doctors and his medical records are public given his position, I believe. It's extremely unethical to diagnose someone whom you've never met with or aren't qualified to diagnose. I'm qualified, but haven't met with or treated him and would not hazard any type of diagnosis due to what we call the Goldman Rule in mental health. That said, there is some research that shows that most politicians and actors/ actresses have some form of NPD or at least many of the symptoms. It's not fair or beneficial to be propagating the ridiculous belief that Trump suffers from some sort of mental health issue or personality disorder. It only makes us look weak, divided and vulnerable as a country. We should rally behind our president and judge him by what he's done rather than what we fear he will do.
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The problem lies in that even conservative (meaning low) estimates of the percentage of Muslims who are radicalized and follow the teachings and interpretations of the one mullah who called for the destruction of America is 20%. Now, 20% doesn't sound like a big number since it's only 1 in 5, but given the number of Muslims in the world that puts the number being greater than the population of the United States! Think about that. Estimates are that there are more Muslims in the world who want to see us either dead or converted to Islam than there are people in the U.S. Pretty staggering.
Pretty staggering since I've never heard of this mullah. But since you use the term mullah you probably are talking about an Iranian cleric and since Iranians are Shia and represent only about 10% of Muslims, it's not so staggering perhaps after all. I'd like to see a source of your info, the name of the cleric, and how anyone managed to do a statistically sound survey of his followers to come up with this number. Did Gallup call them up and ask them?
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Thundarr,
There are stuggering number of Christians who call for and do the bombing of the Muslim countrie's to oblivion. Lybia comes to mind. We obliterated that country, destroyed the livelihoods of their people, engaged in lynching of its leader, proudly shown on our news channels. If you were an ordinary Lybian, wouldn't you wonder how on earth it is possible that the country, who claims to be a beacon of democracy, engages in such a barbaric acts, without due regard of due process, presumption of innocence, human rights, etc. Are these the concepts only reserved for the select White Anglosaxon Americans, or "civilized" Western Europeans? Or GW Bush's access of evil stratgy of engaging in preventive wars. Who should bear responsibility for the lives and livelihoods of millions innocent people? Only when we address these issues in a responsible and mature way, we can teach any country in the World who to elect as their leaders, and how to conduct themselves.
What we do in the World is thousands of times more dangerous than any mullah' s teachings. And by doing so we create ample and fertile grounds for the said teachings/ideology to flourish and gain followers.
Islamic Republic of Iran, for example, put on its national treasure lists all the Churches, and pays from its budget to keep it up. Do you know it? No, because we are taught to hate too. It shows that World is more complex and sophisticated than this black and white, us vs. then vision.
Concerning this ban, there were thousads of National Security and State Department officials that wrote a letter to Trump's administration explaining him the perils of the said ban from the National Security stand point. Maybe, just maybe these people know a bit more about national security than Benon.
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Hi Thundarr,
Just realize I did not vote for Hillary either, so your comment is mute to me. I was and still am a Sanders supporter. No need for me to go on because your argument seems to be so FOX news dictated, Like they brainwashed you, I'd rather watch them. I'd prefer to have an intelligent debate where we could both learn from.
And no this is no misinformation such as you are used to from FOX news. I happened to see a report just yesterday that they tried to deport a homeless Latino man from a shelter. A woman who is a professional, and her brother was just deported. And several more.
There have been a bunch of random deportations recently.
It's ok to look at other news channels to open your mind up and see the world from other views. I'm so glad that as an Independent I can do this and weigh issues for myself.
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Thundarr,
Could you enumerate behind what policies of Donald Trump you want us to rally? So far I have not seen anything that I can even remotely consider reasonable. Do I need to compromise my integrity and intelligence to rally behind his policies? I am not prepared for such a sacrifice. Looks like Republican Senator McCaine is also not quite ready for that either.
You know Thundarr, even Pope came out against this travel ban. I thought that as a Christian you might want to know. Have you ever applied for the US visa in your life? You know how intimidatingly thorough is the process, even for citizens of what is considered non-threatening countries. Some of these refugees that come with SIV (special immigrant visas, are people who worked for the US Government,their vetting starts with job application and includes biannual polygraphs). As I said previously, we know about these people's whereabouts more than about tax returns and business dealings of our President.
As a note, I voted for Clinton, but I am not and have not been her supporter. For me the choice was between flawed human being and T-Rex.
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I only saw a bit of the report yet the homeless man turned out to be a US citizen who just spoke no English, and he ended up staying after a very long struggle, the wpman has not been deported and is now a green card holder, so she is preparing to be deported and her brother unfortunately his paper work to be come a citizen is not completely finished so since he ended up being deported by to his country, All were Latino. None had any criminal history.
Thundarr you said I should respect Trump? OK, I'll respect him one he respects me and everyone else. Not one second before. Racists and bigots are not who I respect in the least.
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http://louderwithcrowder.com/parliament-swedes-bulletproof-vests/
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Thundarr,
Is it a possibility you are allowing your unnecessary fear to rule your life?
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Thundarr, hope you didn't cite that link as attempted proof of your previous statement that 1 in 5 Muslims are out to get you. Untrue, unrelated; unreferenced hearsay, on both counts. Offensive, on all counts. FWIW I'm not out to get you either. Should I be locked up just in case? Or just denied entry, for excess melanin? Not trying to be obnoxious, but it's hard not to take 'othering' personally when it's in fact intentionally personal. Turn it down, dude.
Incidentally, the psychiatrist who originally codified NPD in DSMV asked that people refrain from armchair-diagnosing Mr Trump with narcissism - because he feels it is unfair to the honestly mentally ill, to be lumped into the Trump category. A kindly man.
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I find it odd that Native Americans were here before anyone; what if my ancestors did what Trump is proposing to do? That would mean Trump and his people would be out. Or never allowed in in the first place.
Somehow the plight of the kind Native gets lost hmmm
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The article he posted mentions nothing about the mullahs and so he is just throwing out random offensive $h!te.
That site looks like it is for very immature people. I mean really really immature, insecure people, kind of like an MLCer in teenage monstering stage. Even if you have moral issues with homosexuality, wearing a t-shirt that says "Socialism is for Fags" with a picture of Che Guevara and a limp wrist has got to be one of the most juvenile and immature things I have ever seen in my life (see the shop). And who needs a t-shirt that says "Not Gay" on it? Is that coming out of the closet for straight people? Hahahaha. What kind of insecure man would wear a shirt like that? A real man doesn't need to declare his masculinity through a t-shirt like that. The site seems to be for people who are stockpiling food and guns (I'm assuming a C-4 is a gun? But obviously whatever it is the readership is already so into that stuff it doesn't need to be explained). So what are they preparing for? Who do they plan to fight a war against? What hypocrisy!
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I didn't look too hard at that article. I just glanced then left it alone. My thing is this. Isn't 'terror' an emotion?
Why fear an emotion?
An emotion is something yourself can control.
Are they saying they fear themselves and their own emotions? I just don't get it, yet do get being kind of scared of being mistaken for something I'm not and being harassed unnecessarily when it's talked about everyday on tv and have a clown in the White House trying to do that.
I see being 'scared of terrorism' the same as being 'scared of the boogeyman'. Unnecessary fear of nothing.
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Thundarr,
I feel sorry that you have chosen to read this nonsense. I agree with C4 and OSB concerning this article. Please find below the list of reputable news outlets directly from Sweden so that you can inform yourself better on what is going on in that country with regard to immigrants as well.
Swedish Government (English)
http://www.sweden.gov.se/sb/d/586 Press Releases for All Ministries
Ministry of Health & Social Affairs
http://www.regeringen.se/sb/ d/1474 Swedish Press Releases
Parliament - Press Releases
http://www.riksdagen.se/sv/Start/Press-startsida/ Press releases - Swedish
http://www.riksdagen.se/sv/Debatter--be$l()t/Debatter-och-be$l()t-om-forslag/ Debates and Decisions on Proposals - Swedish
The Local: Sweden's News in English
http://www.thelocal.se/
Searchable.
We still do not have the mullah's name and the statistics as to the number of his actual followers. You site the "facts" like Trump does. He always says " I am hearing" this is that. Statistics, unlike ideology/religion based fear mongering, is actually is a precise science.
N.B. If you want us to rally beyond this absurd you can forget about it.
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I swore I wouldn't post here again, but I have to defend Sweden, which is my native country.
You publish rubbish Thundarr. I have family in Sweden and was there myself last summer. There was a long article in Dagens Nyheter (the main Swedish newspaper) today that was even translated to English so that US readers like yourself, Thundarr, can read it and see for yourself how false news spread.
The article is focusing on a small southern town in Sweden where Muslims allegedly have been urinating and masturbating in a church. My mother happens to live in this town, 2 blocks away from this church, where my son and I go every Sunday when we are "home".
Here it is:
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/varlden/from-this-basement-came-a-piece-of-fake-news-about-who-had-desecrated-a-church-in-sweden/
There's not one word that's true in this article or in any of the other fake news you salivate over, Thundarr. I believe it has been suggested to you before: get a life, get out and see the world.
And while I'm at it: Old Pilot, what do you mean the world is divided? Seems to me a small percentage like Orange Mess while the rest of the world have no respect. I wouldn't exactly call that divided. Most of the world are in shock over how Americans could elect a person so utterly lacking in intelligence, diplomacy, tact, and common sense as Trump.
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Well we did elect Trump and the UK did Brexit, Israel and the Arabs don't get along, Taiwanese and China, North Korea and the rest of the world.
I am sure there are others.
I personally had no respect for Clinton, so say whatever you want about Trump he is better than her.
I think the Democrats could get me back but not by moving further away from the center.
Both parties have lost touch.
So yes how come we all can't get along?
Answer that and I will say we are not divided
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OP, BOTH parties could move towards the middle more.
I'm a registered Dem but have voted for Repub's in the past, (Bush Sr. being one of them). I have also voted for a few Independents, (Jesse Ventura included). But the right has gone so far right these last 10+ years I agree with none of them anymore.
I believe Palin and the Tea Party really ruined the R. Party. They were given too much power and a lot of decent, middle minded Republican's were booted out. McCain and possibly Lindsey Graham may be the only ones left. I still have respect for them, even though I disagree with most of their policies. I don't even think G.W was a far right Republican.
I will never rally around Trump. His treatment of women and minorities is disgusting to me.
His "nasty woman" comment about our former First Lady and Sec. of State on national TV cemented it for me.
Lastly I think the FBI Director should have been fired after the stunt he pulled. One of the main reasons Hillary lost. He made sure people feared and doubted her 3 days before the election.
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You cannot make this up if you tried.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/seth-meyers-donald-trump-press-conference_us_58a69fc5e4b045cd34c04edf?
How can anyone respect this man?
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The name was Hassam al-Banna that started the radical/militant Islamic movement. America is not at war with Islam and to even call it that is stupid. America is at war with MILITANT Islam because their goal is the destruction of our way of life and to either convert everyone else to Islam or kill them. Do you guys have amnesia or just choose to forget what has already happened here with terror attacks? How many militant Muslims have you met and how many would it take for you to realize THEY WANT YOU DEAD? And don't even start on Trump's treatment of women while defending militant Islam where even pre-pubescent girls are kidnapped and forced to be sex slaves. And as for homosexuals? In Iran they THROW THEM OFF OF BUILDINGS. Yeah, let's bring in some more people who believe that's okay and just let Darwinism take over.
Ultimately, there's no reasoning with many of you as all you know are insults and dismissals of facts. Are the videos of Christians being slaughtered by the hundreds faked by the demon Foxnews? Did Foxnews pay thousands of Iranians over there to hold "Death to America" rallies? Did they pay them to hold marches in the U.K. recently chanting about conquering America? Yeah, Foxnews is to blame. Have you ever thought about how NOT reporting relevant information is dishonest and FAKE NEWS? CNN and the Wikileaks comes to mind. Refusing to print damning information about Hillary brought CNN down, and people like you who resort to name-calling and accusations are what led to the Trump presidency. He didn't play us; he played you. The dishonest anti-Trump reporting only served to give him free advertising and call to action those who were intelligent enough to see through it. Even CNN recently admitted that Trump's approval rating has climbed to 58%. Isn't it amazing what finally having a President who actually KEEPS his promises can do for patriotism?
Oh, and please read the following article detailing what I've mentioned about militant Islam and why we need all the vetting we can get:
http://www.meforum.org/168/at-war-with-whom
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Thundarr,
As of TODAY, Trump's approval rating is a low 37%. I didn't vote for Obama either. Please stop with the comparisons.
OP you have your right to your opinion yet I and most of the country chose neither when it came down to Hillary or Trump.
Thundarr, this massive fear you have against Muslims is just way out there because the ones ISIS wants to get the most are other Muslims no matter what FOX news told you.
So unless you have converted to Islam and moved to the Middle East, I don't feel you should have much to fear.
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Number of radical/ militant Muslims in the world vs liberal narrative:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/428146/more-than-few-islamic-extremists
Elegance, saying that the only ones who need fear radicalized Muslims are other Muslims is ridiculous. I'm not seeing terrorists here and in Europe targeting mosques. They BURN CHRISTIANS ALIVE. Nuff said.
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Thundarr,
That is a Republican rag with drummed up fear mongering. If that is the way you choose to live your life, in fear, that is on you.
Have you noticed most of FOX news anchors have resigned from FOX and their ridiculous lies, fear mongering and discrimination?
Again, I see no need for me to go on, I don't do the arguing about ridiculous false claims.
Best to you and your family. I build one day you choose a life without fear.
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Yes, I have read those studies in the past. They have nothing to do with you 20% mullah stat whatsoever. Please provide a source for that. Because right now you are clutching at straws to try and defend your baseless stats.
But how do you feel about this:
The latest polling data show that while a majority of Muslims reject ISIS, extrapolating from the populations of polled countries alone shows that roughly 50 million people express sympathy for a terrorist army that burns prisoners alive, throws gay men from buildings, and beheads political opponents.
That site that you referred us to with the story about the church has some pretty inflammatory and hateful stuff about gays. In fact, the site seems more obsessed with painting gays negatively than Muslims. And I note your avatar here is taken from that site. So you must identify with the thoughts on that site quite closely. So can you explain how you are different from an ISIS supporter in that regard?
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My avatar is taken from my favorite 70's cartoon. Unbelievable.
Deny facts all you will. I present neither opinion nor conjecture but rather actual facts , logic and reason. I'll continue to advocate for keeping you and your family's safe even while you continue to live in a bubble. I just hope you don't find yourself in the blast zone of what's to come, as thousands of Americans already have.
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The name was Hassam al-Banna that started the radical/militant Islamic movement.
It's Hassan al-Banna. Not Hassam. And the movement he started was in response to British colonial rule in Egypt. In other words, occupation. Yes it had a religious component but the motivation was occupation. In fact, there is a professor at the University of Chicago who has studied terrorism for years and the vast majority of terrorist attacks are directly related to occupation. You might want to read this:
http://chicagopolicyreview.org/2015/05/05/myth-busting-robert-pape-on-isis-suicide-terrorism-and-u-s-foreign-policy/
Also, do you realize that Osama bin Laden was a product of the CIA? When the Soviets invaded Afghanistan the US engaged in a proxy war by funding him and his organization to fight the Soviets. 9/11 was carried out by someone on the payroll of the US for many years. It shows that not only does occupation not produce the desired results, but neither does bribing someone. Oh and the Iranian revolution was against a monarch that had been installed by the CIA 25 years previous. Google Khalifa Haftar, as he may lead to the next CIA casualty sometime in the future.
I live in one of those countries that you seem to fear so much. And I am American. I don't need you to advocate for anything because I am safe from the people around me as an American. You have no clue what I have been through in my life or what any of my friends have been through. I have a friend (American) who lost someone close to them in a very high profile terrorist attack directed at Americans, and this person has no fear of all Muslims because of it. In fact, my friend could have very well been a victim of that attack. But perhaps that is because my friend has lived all over the Muslim world over a period of 25 years and knows firsthand what attitudes are towards Americans and more importantly why those attitudes exist. YOU are the one in the bubble.
Most terror attacks in the Muslim world are Muslim on Muslim, and they are often politically motivated. And they can occur on a daily basis and you will never read about it in your news sources. They are not much different from say, the violence you would find going on on Chicago's South Side, which is mostly black on black violence. They claim the lives of targeted individuals and innocent bystanders. But they still claim the lives of a small small number and you just get desensitized to it after a while. You go around, live your life, knowing you could be an innocent victim yourself, but you can't cower in fear all the time.
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The issue is not about fear and has nothing to do with ALL Muslims, simply being able to pick out who's who and keeping the extremists out. And Muslim terrorism HERE and in Europe is targeted against US and not other Muslims.
Your bullying tactics, name-calling and accusations are exactly why you were shocked when Trump won. Your friends, family and co-workers did not feel safe stating their true opinions because they didn't want to deal with you. But speak up they did where and when it counted - at the voting booth. So feel free to blame Trump's win on the hatred and bigotry of those you wouldn't associate with, when in reality it was your family, friends and co-workers who voted him in. OP was right. This country is divided, and you're on the losing side of that division. Digest that.
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On please Thundarr. Learn another language, pick up a foreign newspaper, get a passport and do some traveling, befriend a Muslim. Do us all a favor and just get out of your bubble of fear.
We all know who won the popular vote and whose fragile ego is still sore from that knowledge. :)
We have a racist misogynist narcissist in the White House who nobody respects abroad. I'm stressing this since you always (erroneously) stated that Obama wasn't respected in other countries.
And don't ever tell women to disregard the way said racist misogynist narcissist talked about our gender.
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I gave up FB over 3 years ago but from what I hear, one of my cousins spends a lot of time praising Trump on FB.
My cousin lives in Mexico. He retired there. Owns a home there. If Mexico were to ever decide to retaliate against the US, and they very well could, he would probably be on a bus of deportees to Mexico's northern border in a heartbeat. He has the money to afford to start over, but....
The mind boggles at how people can vote against their own best interest. Total disconnect.
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Thundarr,
How can we create, finance and train terrorist organizations and then claim that we fight them. ISIS, Al Qaida, Al-Nusra, these are the organizations that recieve funds from CIA. This is why the relatives of 9/11 are banned to sue the Saudi Goverrnment. It is done not as much as to protect the Saudis, but to protect CIA operations, and national security secrets. Why neither Osama bin Laden, nor Sadam Husein, nor Qadaffi we're brought to justice and tried in the court of law? For the same reason.
What C4 wrote about the origins of terror is 100% correct. We created this mess, we destroyed livelihoods, we inflicted immeasurable human suffering and hundreds of thousands displaced people.
I agree with Evas too. You need to read real books and studies about the origins of terror, travel, see the World, experience Muslim friends and hospitality and warmth of their houses. See how they treat their elders and children. Open up your mind Thundarr. Fear and ignorance is potent, but at times fatal combination.
Could you please, tell us what patriotic deeds this President committed so far? We have missed that.
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OP, you say the world is too divided, and can't get along. But I would put it to you that this board is a microcosm of the world. And we do get along, we respect each others' differing values, we can care for and support each other... as long as we remember to treat each other as individuals, and not lump people into groups and start screaming at 'em in all caps.
Thundarr, this is not your living room. It is in fact a public board. It is not limited to Christians. I know of Jewish posters, Muslim posters, Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists. We are individuals. We have names, and feelings. What you are saying about one faith group is shocking, inexplicable and hurtful. To be frank, if I were to post that "Christians are bloodthirsty! One in 5 want to invade other countries and kill people!! They pull off women's clothes!! They SHOOT INNOCENT PEOPLE in temples and mosques!!!", you'd tell me, legitimately, that I was Completely Barking Loony. Even though I could point to headlines in Canada and the US for each of these instances. But truly, I'm not silly enough to judge the whole Christian faith by the worst examples of their number, because I have met and cherished the best of their number - every one of you. Thundarr, you could perhaps afford to get to know a few folks outside of your bubble. As it is, you're being remarkably inhospitable here.
Deny facts all you will. I present neither opinion nor conjecture but rather actual facts , logic and reason. I'll continue to advocate for keeping you and your family's safe even while you continue to live in a bubble.
Er, please don't. Spare us the paternalism.
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My question is WHY is Trump and his followers still talking about votes? He won the election! It's over. Now it's time for him to govern! Or did he miss that memo?
My point was always Trump wanted to WIN, yet not govern. He proves me right every time he talks about his electoral college 'win'.
It's time to move on from any silly election talk. He is no longer a candidate.
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I received this in my inbox and was asked to share it here.
http://www.karmatube.org/videos.php?id=7434
Thinking about our American friends, and hoping that the values of inclusion, life, liberty and the opportunity to pursue happiness prevail.....
Thoughts?
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You continue to misrepresent the issue. I have zero prejudice or fear of Muslims. What I do have is knowledge and firsthand accounts from those who have lived, served and grew up there. I have a good friend shoo is Iraqi and worked with our troops as a guide and translator before moving himself and his family here. He's now as big a Trump supporter as I am and will be the first to tell you how long any of you would survive on the streets of Iraq. I have military friends who have served in those countries and speak well of the people but state full well how many there are who would kill an American in a heartbeat. THOSE are who we want to keep out, not the moderates. How is it you do not comprehend this?
And as far as "fear" goes, I'm not sure if that's an attack on me as a man or part of the liberal narrative that implies anyone who disagrees with them does so out of fear or hatred. Sorry, but there's no "phobia" here and, while we're at it, those who believe in traditional marriage do not "fear" homosexuality. Find a new narrative, folks. That one's old, tired and worn out and justcanother reason why the liberal platform was banished in November. You're beating a dead horse.
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Oh, and btw, let's assume that most people on the sothside of Chicago or the ghetto areas of big cities are good people and that only other blacks need to worry about crime there. Now, who volunteers to go to those areas and take some selfies there today? Go ahead, walk around. Spend some time safe in the knowledge that you're insulated from the world around you.
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Pope Francis also is has expressed several times how we are to treat one another:
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/muslim-refugee-hails-pope-francis-as-the-example-of-religion-84365/
“(He is) very open to all of the cultures, all of the religions, and he sets an example for all the religious people in the world, because he uses religion to serve the human being.”
“Pope Francis talks a lot about creating bridges and not walls."
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-encourages-meeting-of-popular-movements-in-california-89704/
“No people is criminal and no religion is terrorist,” Pope Francis then said. “Christian terrorism does not exist, Jewish terrorism does not exist, and Muslim terrorism does not exist. They do not exist. No people is criminal or drug-trafficking or violent.”
He recognized, however, that “there are fundamentalist and violent individuals in all peoples and religions – and with intolerant generalizations they become stronger because they feed on hate and xenophobia.”
In the face of this crisis, he said Christians have an opportunity to impact the world: “We also find an opportunity: that the light of the love of neighbor may illuminate the Earth with its stunning brightness like a lightning bolt in the dark.”
He ended his message in reference to the prayer of Saint Francis of Assisi: “let us give everything of ourselves: where there is hatred, let us sow love; where there is injury, let us sow pardon; where there is discord, let us sow unity; where there is error, let us sow truth.”
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Oh, and btw, let's assume that most people on the sothside of Chicago or the ghetto areas of big cities are good people and that only other blacks need to worry about crime there. Now, who volunteers to go to those areas and take some selfies there today? Go ahead, walk around. Spend some time safe in the knowledge that you're insulated from the world around you.
Doofus, I lived and worked in south side Chicago for 3 years. You get as much love as you give. Please. Stop it. I don't know how to say this more plainly: you are sounding bigoted, and offensive. Please permit us to believe better of you.
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I lived on the South Side of Chicago for nearly a decade and I am not black.
I have lived in one of those countries that you want to screen the citizens from for more than a decade and a half.
What you have is secondhand opinions from one Iraqi and a bunch of Americans who participated in the invasion and occupation of Iraq.
I have more than half a lifetime of firsthand EXPERIENCE.
If that is what counts, then I rest my case.
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So many people here are trying to open your eyes Thundarr.
Now go get that passport and go visit the world and befriend some people from other religions and cultures. People are actually quite wonderful out there and are NOT out to kill you.
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Thundarr,
THESE are the Muslims that Travel Ban is keeping out. Syrian refugees.
Trump is stereotyping everyone and it's highly offensive. Including people from 'ghettos' in Chicago. And YES very good people come from 'ghettos'!
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Most people ARE good. I'm a therapist; I have to believe that. But I also have to accept there are bad ones. NO ONE is generalizing anyone. That's the media narrative. Trump is NOT blocking Muslims or Hispanics from coming in but rather trying to ensure the ones who are coming are not coming for evil intent. There are 40 other primarily Muslim countries with no restrictions. 40, compared to 7 that even Obama cited as terrorist breeding grounds. Stop trying to make it about ALL of any people. It's not and never was.
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Thundarr,
THOSE are the Syrian Refugees the Travel Ban is blocking. Maybe you see them as ok, Trump and his people do not.
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And as far as comparing Trump to the terrorists, I fail to see how saying "They LET you grab them by the kitty" is anything like raping, beating and stoning to death a woman not wearing a hijab or who goes out of her home without a male relative. Trump is the most alpha president since Teddy Roosevelt and I think it's just a shock to many people's system. You'll get used to him, I promise.
And Evas, please stop with the Euro elitism. Your opinion's no better than anyone's.
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How do you feel about Catholic nuns who wear a habit?
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To me, Trump might be the most insecure unsure president ever. No confidant man goes on as he does.
The alpha is a front.
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I fail to see...
Until you can see, then perhaps you should refrain from giving your opinion.
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Most Muslim women (Muslimas) I know love wearing their Hijab. It comes from the Bible actually that women cover their head. 1 Corinthians.
More untrue Muslim stereotyping smh.
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How do you feel about Catholic nuns who wear a habit?
Perfectly fine if it's their choice. I wouldn't consider stoning one for not wearing it.
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Traveling is now Euro elitism??? Americans and others travel as well. And I'm telling you traveling and living in another country/culture will teach you more than your therapist education ever could.
And why compare Trump's nasty remarks about women with rapists? I don't see the point you're trying to make.
And yes, the ban does block Syrian refugees and on FB you seemed OK with that when we discussed it. You told me that it was not a good idea to drag the refugees half way across the world to save them from the horrors of war and that there must be a better way. While you and Alpha-Trump try to come up with that better way thousands of people are dying. Is that the Christian thing to do?
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Most Muslim women (Muslimas) I know love wearing their Hijab. It comes from the Bible actually that women cover their head. 1 Corinthians.
More untrue Muslim stereotyping smh.
It's untrue? You mean that Muslim women can walk around freely over there without being covered from head to toe and without a male relative? Sharia law is all about equality and respects women's rights? Mind. Blown.
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I'm all FOR helping them, I'm just not for letting anyone into our country that's out to destroy it and kill us. As soon as an effective way to screen them is found then things will be back to normal. Key word is TEMPORARY.
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This:
To me, Trump might be the most insecure unsure president ever. No confidant man goes on as he does.
His ego is so fragile he's still moping about the size of the "crowd" at his inauguration! He comes across as stupid compared to any other world leader.
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What you say just proves you ARE against Muslims.
So people fleeing the war are entering the US to destroy us? Is that what you're saying?
And I'm not the only one suggesting you travel, read, and befriend Muslims.
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Sharia Law or not I can tell you first hand why women prefer to be covered from head to toe.
Many males are extremely disrespectful to ALL women. We don't like when men keep hitting on us or judge us by our physical attributes. So we prefer to cover ourselves to stop the distraction.
I'm not even Muslim yet prefer to cover myself to stop men constantly staring or commenting on what I look like!
You must admit men are often talking about a woman's body right?
If a woman has to have an escort, it's for safety reasons.
A Muslim's woman's body is for her H only!
Thundarr, let me tell you a secret. No one Muslim wants to kill you.
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It's untrue? You mean that Muslim women can walk around freely over there without being covered from head to toe and without a male relative? Sharia law is all about equality and respects women's rights? Mind. Blown.
In France, they can't walk around BEING covered from head to toe, even if they want to do so. It's illegal.
Paris had a law on the books until just a few years ago that made it illegal for women to wear pants. It had been on the books for more than 200 years.
In the US, a woman can get arrested for going topless on a beach. But not in France.
In Egypt, a Muslim country, tourists get away with sunbathing topless, even though it is a Muslim country. But local women are kicked out of the same swimming pools the foreign topiess women use, because they choose to cover their heads.
There's a lot of hypocrisy and control issues when it comes to women's dress, but there's as much hypocrisy and control issues when it comes to women's undress. And it is not limited to one place in the world.
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You must admit men are often talking about a woman's body right?
:) ;) precious!!
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And if Trump really is SOOO racist, why did no one hear of it in his 30 years as a public figure until he ran against Hillary? Why did all the blacks who actually KNOW him strongly support him? Do any of you know him personally to comment on his values? Where were the employees who filed discrimination or harassment claims against him? Jennifer Lawrence wouldn't say he's racist because he offered her and her family free room and board when her family members were killed.
And as far as his supposed crimes against women, where were they before now? The woman who supposedly sat next to him on a plane and was groped in broad daylight? Debunked. The Apprentice contestant who invited him to her restaurant for publicity and was angered by the snub several years AFTER he supposedly assaulted her? Debunked. The porn Star who came out 1 DAY BEFORE launching her sex toy line? Yeah. Who's digesting fake news again?
Hint: Campaigns lie. Read a biography on Trump and see what was written about him BEFORE the media turned on him. If you need a copy of "The Art of the Deal" let me know as we have one.
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No Muslim out there wants to kill me, or you or any of us? WTH????
I've said MANY times most Muslims are good, and the true refugees need and will continue to receive our help. But (big secret) bad people sometimes sneak into places. Seriously!
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Trump's official statement on the travel ban since most of you only get Rachel Maddow's interpretation:
"America is a proud nation of immigrants and we will continue to show compassion to those fleeing oppression, but we will do so while protecting our own citizens and border. America has always been the land of the free and home of the brave. We will keep it free and keep it safe, as the media knows, but refuses to say. My policy is similar to what President Obama did in 2011 when he banned visas for refugees from Iraq for six months. The seven countries named in the Executive Order are the same countries previously identified by the Obama administration as sources of terror. To be clear, this is not a Muslim ban, as the media is falsely reporting. This is not about religion — this is about terror and keeping our country safe. There are over 40 different countries worldwide that are majority Muslim that are not affected by this order. We will again be issuing visas to all countries once we are sure we have reviewed and implemented the most secure policies over the next 90 days. I have tremendous feeling for the people involved in this horrific humanitarian crisis in Syria. My first priority will always be to protect and serve our country, but as President I will find ways to help all those who are suffering."
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I'm from NYC, I know all about Trump, I don't need a book to lie to me.
I don't live my life with unnecessary fear. Bad people are everywhere. Yet there are more good than bad, so I focus on that.
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OK, maybe I'll now declare that some dude named Thundarr want to kill me. With about as much evidence as he's pulled out of his ear about good, bad or indifferent Muslims. Maybe I can have everyone from Texas barred from Canada, just to be safe. ;) ...I'm kidding. But we'll happily take your share of refugees up here.
There's a lot of hypocrisy and control issues when it comes to women's dress, but there's as much hypocrisy and control issues when it comes to women's undress. And it is not limited to one place in the world.
Too true. What portion of their bodies women consider to be personal geography varies so much by place and time. Some parts of Africa, breasts are not covered (some parts of India too, until the missionaries came). My mom wears a sari, has worn it every day to work since 1961. Covers you down to your ankles (don't think I've ever seen my mom's ankles; she even went cross-country skiing in a sari! ;D). Mind you, from bra line to waistline, you're exposed and hanging out there. But no problem, perfectly professional and stylish. Only once, she had a colleague complain that "your dress is too sexy, that means you must be repressed culturally by your men" :o. Mom still boggles over that one... But a few months ago in Nice, a woman was arrested for wearing a sari because it was considered too covered up!
I think women everywhere are pretty capable of negotiating how much skin and which skin they wish to reveal. And who they want to touch them. And how they wish to be spoken about by presidents.
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If Trump were all that wouldn't NY, NJ and CT voted for him? He didn't win those states.
If there is no evidence of anything, his next Travel Bill won't get passed either. Why not focus on something in reality?
I really feel Trump and his supporters live in an Alternate Universe. They are are so far from reality.
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"Trump is the most alpha president since Teddy Roosevelt and I think it's just a shock to many people's system."
In my mind an alpha male leads not only his country but his family too and they follow. If Trump is such an alpha male why can't he get his wife to follow him into the White House and act as First Lady? She uses excuses that make no sense. Her son could be escorted to any school yet she shuns going with him.
Has the country ever had a First Lady who didn't move into the WH with her husband??
The whole thing is weird.
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Melania will be in the White House when school is out. No need to disrupt Barron's life now.
And you STILL do not accept that there are Muslim extremists all over the world who want us dead and our civilization destroyed? I won't argue about the philosophies of why that is, but the fact remains it's a very real threat.
So were you guys equally as outraged when Obama issued his travel ban in 2011 or when he identified those 7 countries as terror threats? And "terror" in this sense means a LOT more than instilling fear. It's about destruction and murder of innocents. Do I need to start sharing articles of Muslims persecuting and killing Christians since you don't believe they exist? What rainbow did your unicorn come here on?
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And NY, NJ and CT along with CA would have voted for ANY liberal Democrat sight unseen because they're liberal states. It means zilch to me that Trump lost those because no Republican would have won them anyway.
Oh, and I LOVE how California is now begging for aid from Trump. Amazing, yes?
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Nope. No Muslim wants any of us dead because of our religion or national citizenship. Nothing to see here, move along.
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/christian-attacks.aspx
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I agree Thundarr, there is no reason to disrupt Barron's 10 year old life by having a car drive him to his school everyday instead of living in the WH with both parents. Doesn't matter his father and mother were elected, by the people of this country, to serve our country as the President of the United States of America and our First Lady. ::)
It really should be about Barron and what is best for him.
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Thundarr,
Now you are in war with great state of California that begged to differ and tell Donald Trump, that they do not need his advice on climate change, that they already implementing their climate change policy and it looks like it bears some positive results, or California, that set a minimum wage at $15 and against all odds of gloomy predictions, by mostly corporate America, is doing quite well in terms of economic growth, job creation, innovations, etc.
I have read today that California is moving towards single-payer health care system. Another step in right direction. Have you every been in California? Have you read about the power of innovation and the diversity of ideas generated by Silicon Valley, and their global impact. It has been possible largely because of America's friendly immigration policies, especially for IT specialists.
Today, I read that Trump's administration is reviewing the policies for tech visas. You know why? Because his chief strategist Bennon said that he is not very comfortable to see so many Asians in Silicon Valley. Needless to say that all the tech companies are up in the arms and trying to do damage control. It is hard to imagine, that a person who taunts himself as a big businessman, is so close-minded and uses the tactics of 19 century protectionist playbook.
Meanwhile, China is facilitating the entry of educated and talented workforce, by introducing the fast-track green card program for all the talent. As it is now, there is already a big demand for engineers in the US and it looks like China is going to lure the talent from the US. By the time Trump is done "Making America Great" again, America will be in such a shape that everything will look great.
P.S. Trump's sons, the ones that he "divested" his business interests to are now in Dubai, opening the new golf course. One would wonder, why UAE was not on the list of immigration ban? It is also funneling oil money into the ISIS and other terrorists organizations.
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Afghanistan is not on the list and I don't think there are any Trump Toweres there. Dubai is neutral and a vacation mecca that many US businesses use for corporate offices so it makes good business sense.
And please cite the quote from Bannon about "too many Asians." Was it from the same source that said Trump was mobilizing the National Guard to deport illegals? Just wondering.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/steve-bannon-disgusted-asian-ceos-silicon-valley_us_582c5d19e4b0e39c1fa71e48
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Interesting that no one mentions Trump stating that we need to KEEP the immigrants in the country rather than kicking them out after they graduate. Ignoring the positive.
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Osb,Karmirtsaghik etc.I stand with you.
As a human being who happened to be born both female and lesbian,I have experienced discrimination on both accounts.Thus,the election of Trump and his ilk feels very personal to me.And not in a good way.
And as far as "fear" goes, I'm not sure if that's an attack on me as a man or part of the liberal narrative that implies anyone who disagrees with them does so out of fear or hatred. Sorry, but there's no "phobia" here and, while we're at it, those who believe in traditional marriage do not "fear" homosexuality.
Perhaps they/you don't "fear" homosexuality,but they/you have proven themselves to be bigots by desiring to deny same sex couples equal rights.
Those websites you link to are propaganda for the ignorant.
Myself,and the majority of Canadians are overwhelmingly aghast at the buffoon that is now installed in your White House.
“What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or in the holy name of liberty or democracy?” -Mahatma Gandi
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Thundarr,
Have you read what McCain said today concerning Donald Trump and his policies? You would not consider McCain a liberal, would you? After all he had chosen an absolute brain-dead Sarah Palin, the favorite child of conservatives to be his running mate.
I am pleased to see him coming and saying things about Trump, and his White House, and the investigation into Flynn's Russian connections. I am hoping more and more Republicans would come forward and do their job. As it is now we are left to 1 fully functioning branch of Government, i.e. judiciary.
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Oh Rainbow girl,
There is so much hypocrisy in this Republican position towards the same-sex marriage, women's rights, family-friendly policies, it is not even funny.
Somehow they all are for small Government when it comes to their taxes. But they do not mind telling people who to love, who to sleep with, when and how many children to have, how women should treat her own body. Not to mention spending trillions on criminal and immoral wars, eavesdropping on out conversations, etc.
They say that they have family friendly values, but refuse to consider legislation that will mandate family leave for parents. As it is now US, is the only industrialized nation in the World that does not mandate parental leave. 6 weeks old babies in this country are in day cares, unheard of. No wonder the state of mental and emotional health in our society. In fact, Women have it worst in the US. They constantly have to chose between having a family and their careers. But you know what, Republicans do not worry about women's and gender equality. They live in the 18-th century. They want women to sit home, and her Husband take care of her and children. Look at Benon's position concerning these issues. It is scary.
I am not even talking about Health Care system in this country. It is an absolute disgrace for the richest country on Earth.
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Rainbowgal, I copied/pasted that video to demonstrate the chaos in Sweden. I didn't even notice nor do I agree with any anti-gay websites. I DO believe in religious freedom and the rights of those who are opposed to promoting or participating in gay wedding ceremonies and this has nothing to do with being anti-gay.
Do we forget the Pulse nightclub and how Trump's support with gays grew exponentially after that as they knew he was dedicated to protecting them? Do we forget that Trump is the FIRST president ever to be in favor of gay marriage when entering office? Keep them coming. I have facts and the truth to counter any opinion or biased belief!
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Also, Trump is dedicated to narrowing the gender gap and promoting women's equality in the workplace. Ivanka is the epitome of everything the Feminist movement could ever hope to attain yet they attack her because of her name. She's a role model to little girls everywhere yet intolerant feminazis will try to discredit her and bring her down at every turn. Only proves to show the true hypocrisy of the Dems lapdog.
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As I stated before, McCain is one of the only centered Republican voices left in Congress.
He is a real balance between the left and the right, even though he is right leaning.
Actually Bill Clinton was the same (horror to the Republicans)
He is open open minded and willing to work with the Democrats to get things done. He knows there has to be a give and take in order to get things passed.
I respect him for that whether I agree with him or not.
He is doing what he truly believes is best for our country.
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Thundarr,
First we should differentiate between legal and illegal immigration. The way to control illegal immigration is to control the demand side of the issue. It (the demand side) rests with the corporations and businesses that hire these people, pay them cash, way below living wage, avoid paying taxes, and exploit them 16-18 hours days. When President cracks on his corporate friends, including the nominee for Labor Secretary, then we will solve the problem. The wall is not going to solve it, because it is not possible to build it, owing to terrain. And now the Republicans are telling Trump that it will cost 2 times more to build it. Mexico already shown their middle finger to Trump's suggestion that they pay for it. Now Trump says that he is going to impose 20% import tax for goods from Mexico, in order to pay for the wall. Guess what, that 20% surcharge is going to be absorbed by the American consumers. This is what happens when you make policy based on ideology, instead of pragmatism.
We need legal immigration in order to maintain our competitiveness, especially in high tech, innovation, and cutting edge research and development sectors. When the chief strategist of our President says that Asian CEO's of Silicon Valley make him uncomfortable, when he starts re-designing visa policies to keep these "uncomfortable" people at bay he inadvertently poses risks to our competitiveness. After these announcements, countries with rather restrictive immigration laws (like France, Germany, Belgium) said they going to lure American researchers. Now you tell me that this is a prudent political move. What danger do intelligent, talented people of any origin pose to the US? they enrich us, contribute to the development of our country, etc.
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Thundarr
Did not you write on one of these election threads that you lost Obama when you saw a Rainbow flag waving from White House? How you can have it both ways is beyond me.
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Thunder, on the immigration part we agree. We need legal immigration to survive and that's exactly what Trump said in the statement I shared. I want to see companies punished for hiring illegals and I see that happening, but Trump will be slammed for doing that as well. He literally can do nothing that he doesn't get bashed for.
As for McCain, he has become the Democrat's secret weapon. He and Lindsay Graham are sellouts whose time is long past. McCain is butthurt over the comments Trump made about him during the campaign and the fact that Trump did what he couldn't. McCain hates Trump with a passion and everything he says about him is venomous. And as for doing everything for the good of the country, remember there's a great deal of evidence he bought his freedom through treason. He speaks from his own bitterness and has lost all relevance IMO, and this is cemented by the fact that he bashes our President in a foreign country. McCain is exactly why we need term limits as I was once a big fan and did vote for him. I still say he would have made a better President than Obama and likely wouldn't have become the irrelevant joke he is now. It cracks me up whenever I see a headline e such as "Republicans disagree with Trump" as it's ALWAYS McCain. Funny how no Democrats liked him until he started bashing Trumpband now suddenly he's like Yoda, wise and strong. Bahahahaha!!!
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I detested Obama for shining the rainbow lights on the national monuments. It was a middle finger to the Christian community and showed he was the special interest president. And didn't somebody say that Trump is supposed to be President of all the people? Is that a new rule or was Obama just exempt?
I do thank Obama for being such a dismal failure because if he hadn't been then Hillary would be President. And don't mention anything about approval ratings. I could care less about popularity polls and I doubt Trump does either.
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There is so much hypocrisy in this Republican position towards the same-sex marriage, women's rights, family-friendly policies, it is not even funny.
Somehow they all are for small Government when it comes to their taxes. But they do not mind telling people who to love, who to sleep with, when and how many children to have, how women should treat her own body. Not to mention spending trillions on criminal and immoral wars, eavesdropping on out conversations, etc.
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Sigh....so,so very true Karmirtsaghik.
Rainbowgal, I copied/pasted that video to demonstrate the chaos in Sweden.
I wasn't even referring to that one.The rest of the links you posted are full of fear-mongering propaganda
I DO believe in religious freedom and the rights of those who are opposed to promoting or participating in gay wedding ceremonies and this has nothing to do with being anti-gay.
Hiding behind "religious freedom",while committing bigotry,doesn't magically make you a non-anti-gay person.It just makes you a coward for hiding behind your "religious freedom " in order to discriminate and deny equal rights to us.
Do we forget the Pulse nightclub and how Trump's support with gays grew exponentially after that as they knew he was dedicated to protecting them?
Trump has very little support amongst the majority of the LBGQT community.
Do we forget that Trump is the FIRST president ever to be in favor of gay marriage when entering office?
My concern is more about Bannon and his influence on Trump.He is a well known for his homophobia.The fact that Trump CHOOSE someone such as him as an advisor does not exactly instill confidence in the LBGQT community for the Trump administration.None whatsoever.
“This is why homophobia is a terrible evil: it disguises itself as concern while it is inherently hate.” -Tyler Oakley
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I agree Thundarr, there is no reason to disrupt Barron's 10 year old life by having a car drive him to his school everyday instead of living in the WH with both parents. Doesn't matter his father and mother were elected, by the people of this country, to serve our country as the President of the United States of America and our First Lady. ::)
It really should be about Barron and what is best for him.
This actually made me chuckle. I cannot understand why conservatives who are all about fiscal responsibility are ok with a selfish entities decision that costs the US taxpayers millions of dollars.
I need to stay away from this thread because I will get really annoyed with the misinformation being presented but I can't let some things slide. Thundaar - I am sure you know that Obama did not have a travel ban. He did have countries where the people needed additional screening. This is not new - I'm from a country that has to jump through many more hoops to get a visa to come to tut US than many others.
As a feminist I have no issue with Ivanka Trump but to suggest she is everything the feminist movement wants is ridiculous. She is indeed a successful, working mother but her reality is very far afield from the average working mom. She has no idea what it means to struggle and juggle the way working women in the US do. That was evidenced from her comment that if she was being harassed she would find another job. Some of us can't just walk away from jobs - we have bills to pay.
California is not begging for aid from Trump. California is requesting aid from the President of their country. That's the way it works. Whether ca voted for him is irrelevant if they are now in need. Every one of those voters is a citizen of the United States - Trump does not get to only assist the people who supported him - that's not how it works.
Karmirtsaghik, Rainbow gal, & others - I definitely stand with you.
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Thundarr,
Obama was one of the best Presidents of modern times. He inherited really a catastrophic situation in foreign policy (which is till unresolved), economy, health care, etc. He is of the exceptional intelligence and eloquence. And his wife, Michelle is the one who is a real role model, class act in herself. I wish there was a chance for him to have a third term. He made me really proud to be voting the first time in America, and voting for him both times. He will be dearly missed, after Trump is done "making America great again".
Ivanka Trump, is a role model, please give me a break. Ivanka trump is the epitome of arrogance and entitlement. Trump committed to eliminating gender disparity, by grabbing the women, telling his White House staffers to dress like a woman. Which century he thinks he lives in? Or by appointing his daughter to serve in his administration. Millions of girls now think that if you have rich daddy, you can get many places, including the White house. What did Ivanka accomplished on her own, what challenges did she overcome in her life. Does she face the same kind of choices like many women who yearn to have a career, but cannot afford day care for their children, or have to choose between taking care of their children or going to work? I would want somebody with a little bit more humility, kindness, compassion, and character be a role model for my D9 than Ivanka.
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I detested Obama for shining the rainbow lights on the national monuments. It was a middle finger to the Christian community and showed he was the special interest president.
You are aware that gay & Christian are not mutually exclusive terms?
How was this any more of a special interest than Republicand attempting to repeal the Affordable Care Act or reverse Roe v Wade. Gay marriage does not in any way impinge on your religious freedoms. You are still fee to marry a woman, go to church, and do whatever it is that you choose to do. All this did was grant equal rights & protections to a subset of the population. We are all on a site that proves the erosion of marriage is not something caused by gay marriage.
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No one's hiding, Rainbowgal. There are plenty who believe in loving everyone but that gay marriage is immoral. There's no "fear" in being opposed to something...no anger nor hatred either. The days of the left accusing everyone who disagrees with them of being any of those things is, again, why the left was shocked that Trump won. Your family, friends, co-workers did not want to deal with the childish name-calling and accusations.
Reallytrying, Obama's travel ban of Iraqi refugees is well-documented but was never made a big deal of by the left because ., well, he was Obama the Teflon God. To criticize him in any way was to be labeled racist/ bigoted. Pure BS. But in case you don't believe me here's the story:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/muslim-ban-hypocrisy-left-said-nothing-when-obama-also-halted-visas/news-story/17c901096824ecd0a2e3a4d1e5ded377?client=safari
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