Skip to main content

Author Topic: Off-Topic Election thread #4

N
  • *
  • MLCer Type: Clinging Boomerang
  • Hero Member
  • Posts: 2486
Off-Topic Re: Election thread #4
#70: February 17, 2017, 05:33:47 AM
Many psychiatrists believe Trump suffers from NPD. Whether you agree with his policies or not, whether you think he is patriotic or not if indeed suffers from it, this is truly a danger to the country. I've had an opportunity to closely observe someone in a position of power with a personality very much like his. Such a person is easily manipulated by others who want to use him for their own gain, such a person is easily manipulated by foreign entities, foreign entities can easily plant people in his inner circle who will then attempt to influence his actions. On the one hand such people can seem like bullies and threatening, but they also are so so easy to be turned into puppets by appealing to certain elements of their personality. What scares me the most is that the Russians probably have experts in mind warfare who are very skilled at getting him to do what they want without him even realizing he is being manipulated. He may very well be honest when he says he has no connections with the Russians, because he genuinely doesn't realize he does.
  • Logged

k
  • *****
  • Hero Member
  • Posts: 745
  • Gender: Female
Re: Election thread #4
#71: February 17, 2017, 06:47:37 AM
Thundarr,

Your vision of how the World works, and arrogance of your uninformed messages is really what is staggering. You yourself admited on one of these threads that you do not know much about the World leaders and do not care to know, and if somebody disagrees with the US's stance then US should cut aid to these countries. Remember.

Do you know that ISIS for example is a structure that receives funds from CIA, that but for our imoral and illegal war in Iraq, we would not have had the quagmire in Middle East. Why Saudi Arabia is our best ally in Middle East, the country that finances and propagates religion fanatisicsm, why Turkey is a NATO member still, while they deal with and enrich the coffins of ISIS, and other terrorist organizations? It shows that the reason for and underlying causes for these wars are not religious.

Middle East is not this big black cloud as opposed to shining star of the US or other European democracies.  There was more religious tolerance in Assad's Syria then for example in many Western European countries.  Assad is a dictator, but he is also a democratically elected leader of a sovereign country, that now we effectively destroyed in order to advance our agenda in Middle East.

Do you know that in spite of fanatic pronouncements of Iran's  leaders the majority of yes Islamic state of Iran are very friendly and have very positive attitudes towards the US, and this is in spite of what we did to their country in 1953, and as of today failed to apologize.

  It is not our job to police the World, to engage in proxy wars in order to orchestrate regime changes. The World does not function the way you described Islam vs. US. There are 1 bln followers of Islam, you cannot bunch everyone in the same category, based on the religion. Islam is every bit as heterogenous as Christianity, and it is our job to inform ourselves of these differences before we put everyone in one basket.  Fear and ignorance are overwhelming in the US.

Concerning calls for Trump's impeachment. You would remember yes Trump, starting the birther movement and walking with the bunch of lunatic lawyers readying to challenge Barack Obama's birth certificate, untill Obama produced the long version of the said document. There is a very good Jewish saying that comes to mind "Do not pee on my leg and tell me it is raining".
  • Logged

  • *****
  • Hero Member
  • Posts: 6485
  • Gender: Male
Re: Election thread #4
#72: February 17, 2017, 09:24:01 AM
I never said that it was Muslims vs. the US, and acknowledged that MOST of the refugees coming into our country are good people.  The problem lies in that even conservative (meaning low) estimates of the percentage of Muslims who are radicalized and follow the teachings and interpretations of the one mullah who called for the destruction of America is 20%.  Now, 20% doesn't sound like a big number since it's only 1 in 5, but given the number of Muslims in the world that puts the number being greater than the population of the United States!  Think about that.  Estimates are that there are more Muslims in the world who want to see us either dead or converted to Islam than there are people in the U.S.  Pretty staggering.

As far as diagnosing Trump with NPD or any other type of disorder, he has been analyzed and cleared by top doctors and his medical records are public given his position, I believe.  It's extremely unethical to diagnose someone whom you've never met with or aren't qualified to diagnose.  I'm qualified, but haven't met with or treated him and would not hazard any type of diagnosis due to what we call the Goldman Rule in mental health.  That said, there is some research that shows that most politicians and actors/ actresses have some form of NPD or at least many of the symptoms.  It's not fair or beneficial to be propagating the ridiculous belief that Trump suffers from some sort of mental health issue or personality disorder.  It only makes us look weak, divided and vulnerable as a country.  We should rally behind our president and judge him by what he's done rather than what we fear he will do.
  • Logged
One day at a time.

Thundarr

N
  • *
  • MLCer Type: Clinging Boomerang
  • Hero Member
  • Posts: 2486
Re: Election thread #4
#73: February 17, 2017, 10:12:01 AM
  The problem lies in that even conservative (meaning low) estimates of the percentage of Muslims who are radicalized and follow the teachings and interpretations of the one mullah who called for the destruction of America is 20%.  Now, 20% doesn't sound like a big number since it's only 1 in 5, but given the number of Muslims in the world that puts the number being greater than the population of the United States!  Think about that.  Estimates are that there are more Muslims in the world who want to see us either dead or converted to Islam than there are people in the U.S.  Pretty staggering.

Pretty staggering since I've never heard of this mullah. But since you use the term mullah you probably are talking about an Iranian cleric and since Iranians are Shia and represent only about 10% of Muslims, it's not so staggering perhaps after all. I'd like to see a source of your info, the name of the cleric, and how anyone managed to do a statistically sound survey of his followers to come up with this number. Did Gallup call them up and ask them?
  • Logged

k
  • *****
  • Hero Member
  • Posts: 745
  • Gender: Female
Re: Election thread #4
#74: February 17, 2017, 10:16:13 AM
Thundarr,

There are stuggering number of Christians who call for and do the bombing of the Muslim countrie's to oblivion. Lybia comes to mind. We obliterated that country, destroyed the livelihoods of their people, engaged in lynching of its leader, proudly shown on our news channels. If you were an ordinary Lybian, wouldn't you wonder how on earth it is possible that the country, who claims to be a beacon of democracy, engages in such a barbaric acts, without due regard of due process, presumption of innocence, human rights, etc. Are these the concepts only reserved for the select White Anglosaxon Americans, or "civilized" Western Europeans? Or GW Bush's access of evil stratgy of engaging in preventive wars. Who should bear responsibility for the lives and livelihoods of millions innocent people? Only when we address these issues in a responsible and mature way,  we can teach any country in the World who to elect as their leaders, and how to conduct themselves.

What we do in the World is thousands of times more dangerous than any mullah' s teachings. And by doing so we create ample and fertile grounds for the said teachings/ideology to flourish and gain followers.

Islamic Republic of Iran, for example, put on its national treasure lists all the Churches, and pays  from its budget to keep it up. Do you know it? No, because we are taught to hate too. It shows that World is more complex and sophisticated than this black and white, us vs. then vision.

Concerning this ban, there were thousads of National Security and State Department officials that wrote a letter to Trump's administration explaining him the perils of the said ban from the National Security stand point. Maybe, just maybe these people know a bit more about national security than Benon.


  • Logged

R
  • *****
  • Hero Member
  • Posts: 2076
Re: Election thread #4
#75: February 17, 2017, 04:11:11 PM
Hi Thundarr,

Just realize I did not vote for Hillary either, so your comment is mute to me. I was and still am a Sanders supporter. No need for me to go on because your argument seems to be so FOX news dictated, Like they brainwashed you, I'd rather watch them.  I'd prefer to have an intelligent debate where we could both learn from. 

And no this is no misinformation such as you are used to from FOX news. I happened to see a report just yesterday that they tried to deport a homeless Latino man from a shelter.  A woman who is a professional, and her brother was just deported. And several more.

There have been a bunch of random deportations recently.

It's ok to look at other news channels to open your mind up and see the world from other views. I'm so glad that as an Independent I can do this and weigh issues for myself.
  • Logged
« Last Edit: February 17, 2017, 04:26:21 PM by Elegance »

k
  • *****
  • Hero Member
  • Posts: 745
  • Gender: Female
Re: Election thread #4
#76: February 17, 2017, 04:38:35 PM
Thundarr,
Could you enumerate behind what policies of Donald Trump you want us to rally? So far I have not seen anything that I can even remotely consider reasonable. Do I need to compromise my integrity and intelligence to rally behind his policies? I am not prepared for such a sacrifice. Looks like Republican Senator McCaine is also not quite ready for that either.

You know Thundarr, even Pope came out against this travel ban. I thought that as a Christian you might want to know. Have you ever applied for the US visa in your life? You know how intimidatingly thorough is the process, even for citizens of what is considered non-threatening countries.  Some of these refugees that come with SIV (special immigrant visas, are people who worked for the US Government,their vetting starts with job application and includes biannual polygraphs).  As I said previously, we know about these people's whereabouts more than about tax returns and business dealings of our President.

As a note, I voted for Clinton, but I am not and have not been her supporter. For me the choice was between flawed human being and T-Rex.
  • Logged

R
  • *****
  • Hero Member
  • Posts: 2076
Re: Election thread #4
#77: February 17, 2017, 07:05:12 PM
I only saw a bit of the report yet the homeless man turned out to be a US citizen who just spoke no English, and he ended up staying after a very long struggle, the wpman has not been deported and is now a green card holder, so she is preparing to be deported and her brother unfortunately his paper work to be come a citizen is not completely finished so since he ended up being deported by to his country, All were Latino. None had any criminal history.

Thundarr you said I should respect Trump? OK, I'll respect him one he respects me and everyone else. Not one second before. Racists and bigots are not who I respect in the least.
  • Logged
« Last Edit: February 17, 2017, 07:07:41 PM by Elegance »

  • *****
  • Hero Member
  • Posts: 6485
  • Gender: Male
Re: Election thread #4
#78: February 17, 2017, 07:07:25 PM
  • Logged
One day at a time.

Thundarr

R
  • *****
  • Hero Member
  • Posts: 2076
Re: Election thread #4
#79: February 17, 2017, 07:10:40 PM
Thundarr,

Is it a possibility you are allowing your unnecessary fear to rule your life?
  • Logged

 

Legal Disclaimer

The information contained within The Hero's Spouse website family (www.midlifecrisismarriageadvocate.com, http://theherosspouse.com and associated subdomains), (collectively 'website') is provided as general information and is not intended to be a substitute for professional legal, medical or mental health advice or treatment for specific medical conditions. The Hero's Spouse cannot be held responsible for the use of the information provided. The Hero's Spouse recommends that you consult a trained medical or mental health professional before making any decision regarding treatment of yourself or others. The Hero's Spouse recommends that you consult a legal professional for specific legal advice.

Any information, stories, examples, articles, or testimonials on this website do not constitute a guarantee, or prediction regarding the outcome of an individual situation. Reading and/or posting at this website does not constitute a professional relationship between you and the website author, volunteer moderators or mentors or other community members. The moderators and mentors are peer-volunteers, and not functioning in a professional capacity and are therefore offering support and advice based solely upon their own experience and not upon legal, medical, or mental health training.