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#50: October 04, 2018, 05:52:04 PM
I've been fighting cancer for 16 months now, for crying out loud, and it hasn't been enough to make him so much as "check the anchor."

I'm sorry, Nas. It is not a given a MLCer "check the anchor" if the lBS has a life threatning illness. Sadly,  life threatning illness often has the opposite effect on the MLCer, they run more.

We had a LBS, Coffedrinker6, with stage 4 cancer who died. Her husband could not care less about her. He wanted to divorce, and he did. In court. She had been to hospital, she become more and more ill, but, at a point, she uded her last energy to go travel with her kids.

She was 60 when she come here, in 2013. She died in 2016. We have a memorial for LBS and MLCers who died: https://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=6416.msg416169#msg416169

If you want, you can find Coffedrinker6's threads in the archives.

I believe that as H started to feel more and more "safe" in his new life, he erased me more and more.  As he's achieved more and made more new friends and felt more confident that his new life isn't going to fail, he's had less and less need to think I'm out there somewhere as a safety net.   

You may be right. I think it is the same with Mr J.

Why does he get to change his phone number and disappear completely from his legal spouse who has cancer and somehow the universe keeps showering him with lucky breaks and good fortune? 

I don't know why he keeps having lucky breaks and good fortune. The same happens with Mr J. The changing the phone number, may, or may not, have to do with you and your cancer.

I have a single friend in MLC who has changed his phone number I don't know how many times. Then, here and there, he will go back to one of his old numbers. Then it no longer works.

The injustice of a vanisher is a unique feature of all of this that adds an extra layer of sh!t onto an already brutal situation.

Someone that we may be able to contact may not be better. In 2011 I crashed and fall on the kitchen floor here. I was seen by doctors, they said I needed a lot of rest - not really possible since I was looking after grandmother.

I was able to told Mr J. His reply? "will not help you, I will not give you a cent, I don't care if you need meds, I don't care about you, leave me alone." I remember Mamma Bear's reaction as she couldn't believe what Mr J said.
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Re: Anyone else have a vanisher? 19
#51: October 04, 2018, 07:58:59 PM
Funny, I remember thinking of Coffeedrinker way back when I was first diagnosed, almost exactly a year after she passed. I wish there was a way to know how her husband feels about himself now.

He was earlier on I. His crisis than my H is now and he was a really nasty monster too. I never thought my H would completely vanish because he was never a nasty type. But as with everything else, I was wrong.
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#52: October 04, 2018, 09:55:28 PM
I wish there was a way to know how her husband feels about himself now.

Either

(A) he feels like a complete sh!t-bag or

(B) He is a complete sh!t-bag

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#53: October 05, 2018, 01:51:45 AM
hopefully both nah.... what a tool!
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#54: October 05, 2018, 05:07:12 AM
Why... Is there a German equivalent to the term "tool"?

Honestly I don't think there is a term strong enough in any language to describe a "man" who would desert his sick wife. 

Nas, I think about Coffeedrinker's "tool-spouse" all the time. If he isn't sick about what he did every single waking moment,....

I don't even know what to say.
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#55: October 05, 2018, 05:22:08 AM
Yes, I often wondered how he felt after she passed away.

That is something that man will have to live with for the rest of his sad life.

I sure wouldn't want to be him.  Especially if he is out of his crisis.   ::)
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#56: October 05, 2018, 06:07:52 AM
I was thinking about the Universe last night.  Why is it that the MLCer moves on with so much success - at least in my case - my vanisher is soaring (in love, traveling the world, lots of money), and I am the one who did nothing wrong but struggles every day in such agonizing pain?  It really doesn't seem fair.  I don't wish any ill will towards him, but would love to receive some "Universe goodness" my way...  I have made much progress with my mirror work, and changing my life to live without him.  To the world I am in a really good place and I am proud of all that I have accomplished, yet, still have such sadness that time doesn't want to heal.  Does every MLCer get through to the other side?  I know it can take years, maybe decades for some, but do you think that - at some point - they understand how cruel they were, even if they chose not to reconnect?  I don't know that he has that capability.  I think he buries it and runs, and will do that until the day he stops breathing.   
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#57: October 05, 2018, 06:13:20 AM
I wonder if progress is when we see them as two separate questions?

When do we get enough good stuff to outweigh the pain we have suffered?
And will they ever acknowledge or validate the pain they caused?

The second is unknown and out of our hands I suppose, whereas the first is maybe our own quest...both moving away from the pain and sorrow as well as creating new things that feel good.
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Re: Anyone else have a vanisher? 19
#58: October 05, 2018, 07:03:06 AM
No one is going to like my answer to your question, Shining Star.  :(

My story is pretty much summed up in my post signature, but here's the basics: BD March 2015, he had been blowing all our money on get rich quick schemes for months, left in July 2015, finally moved 1100 miles to live with OW in June 2016, her friend got him an entry level government job, he's absolutely thrived and built his way up since then.  Lives with OW (and her kids part time) in a cute rented house, has made lots of new friends, is seen as a respected member of his new community.  No one knows they were an affair and everyone thinks we are divorced.  He would communicate with me intermittently but after I got cancer in June 2017 he stopped all communication and at some point changed his phone number.
Took me 10 months to get him to even send me his financial paperwork to get legal process started in 2016.  He paid me the agreed upon support for 2 months in 2016 and then just stopped paying me and walked away from all of his debt in fall 2016.  I haven't gotten a dime of support since Oct 2016.  He has not made a single payment on his massive debt since then, including a $30,000 loan that somehow has never been sent to collections.  ???  Even with that unpaid loan and a few small collections accounts on his credit report, his credit score has actually gone up like 100 points in the past few months.

He just keeps swan diving into piles of sh!t and coming out covered in gold.  No consequences for his supremely despicable behavior.

Anyway, to answer your questions of why do they get to have success and do all of them come through - I think the following:
1. They get to have success and no consequences because karma doesn't really exist and unfortunately, people who are willing to screw over innocent people to get what they want very often get what they want. 
2. Not all of them come through and I truly believe that they only look at themselves if/when their new life fails...and even then, they either don't look at themselves or they just have pity parties.  Nah's exH is a prime example of an MLCer who saw a colossal fall in wealth and status and quality of life, and yet still marches on, married his mistake and still unable to admit that nothing he did made him "happy."

I think they don't look at themselves unless something adversely affects them enough.  The consequences have to be so great that they are forced to acknowledge that they hurt people.  As long as they are getting what they want or at least not completely failing or losing too much, they just keep on going without ever thinking about what they've done.

Even if we look at the relatively small sample of reconciliation/return stories we have, in almost every case, the MLCer returns because they lost something.  The OP cheated on them/dumped them, or in some cases the OP died.  They had nowhere else to live.  They're out of money. 

After BD, I signed up for pretty much ever MLC forum I could find.  On another forum very recently, not one but two LBSs confessed that the 30-year marriages they are standing for started as affairs.

I'll be honest, that shook me and really brought reality home for me.  One of the LBSs said her H is in an affair now with an OW and it has caused him to think about what they did to his first wife.  30 years later.  It took him 30 years to face it.
She wrote that she started hanging around him and his wife and then the affair started, and when her H presented his first wife with D papers, she sobbed and begged him not to divorce her.

This LBS had been posting for a long time before making this admission, and like most LBSs, she described her 30-year marriage as very happy until BD.  So they had 30 great years in which neither this LBS nor her MLC H thought about his first wife.  Her H was a cheater and she was an OW and they didn't spent 30 years consumed with guilt.  They got married and built a great life together. 

She wrote that she was crying while typing her confession because she had caused the first wife such great pain.  But she never mentioned wanting to make amends, she only mentioned wanting God to forgive her for the hurt she caused.  She never addressed the contradiction that she's standing and prays to God to restore her marriage because she loves her H and doesn't want a divorce, but his first wife loved him and didn't want a divorce either and God didn't restore her marriage.

I read her story and just felt like my eyes were opened even more to the stark reality:  People don't feel guilt as long as things are going well, when they are getting what they want.

I don't think my H is lying awake every night wracked with guilt.  I don't think he thinks of me every day.  I think when confronted with a reminder of me, he feels a twinge of guilt that can quickly be squashed.  When forced to interact with me, like when the dog died in July, he feels guilt in the moment, but then disappears again and the guilt once again sinks back down somewhere deep inside of him where it won't come out full force unless and until some day in the future when he faces a loss of something important to him.  One day IF he is faced with something overwhelmingly painful, something that hurts him, only then will he truly face the full force of his guilt.
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Re: Anyone else have a vanisher? 19
#59: October 05, 2018, 07:49:57 AM
Nas:  I understood every word you wrote, and it made sense to me.  Your situation is made so much worse because of the health issues.  I think the shock, pain, etc is similar for most of us, which is why we are here - but you have an added component, and I am so sorry that you are going through it. 

Every day I try to do at least one thing that will make my life better, and perhaps today is the day I give up wondering whether my vanisher feels guilty, or even cares.....  Knowing him as I do, I know that he can turn anything around in his head to make himself look good, so it is wasted energy on my part.  The only issue he may have is that he didn't get to show the world that he is a great guy - "look at me, she is still my friend."  When all is said and done, that is the only item he didn't control. 
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Said he was "sure" he wanted a D in Dec 2015; 
Admitted long term affair - May 14, 2017 - says he is in love with the "symptom" but wants to build a relationship with me with "clear expectations" WHATEVER THAT MEANS!  Settlement Agreement signed 9/20/17.
Divorce final 3/14/18.
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