[marvin4242]

I am so sorry it is lingering, and it can't be pleasant. Is your medical team giving you any plans, ideas, approaches on what they are going to do to resolve?

NO - they give me - The gift of TIME as a cure.

Aaaarrrrggggg! Hopefully as we learn more and more they will offer SOMETHING concrete rather than wait and see.

edit: I am sure you are already very well aware of a lot of this because you are unfortunately living it, but others may find this illuminating.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/06/covid-19-coronavirus-longterm-symptoms-months/612679/

[OldPilot]

Yes - I joined the facebook group mentioned in the article about 2-3 weeks ago.

It does help to talk to many people going through this.

The group has just under 12k members in a very short time.

[OffRoad]

I am so sorry it is lingering, and it can't be pleasant. Is your medical team giving you any plans, ideas, approaches on what they are going to do to resolve?

NO - they give me - The gift of TIME as a cure.

Sadly, when Whooping Cough (pertussis) came back around several years back and they discovered the vaccines we had as children didn't  last forever and I ended up with it, TIME was the only answer unless the Whooping cough caused another side effect (infection, bronchitis, athsma, etc) The hard part was drawing that line where it was no longer Whooping Cough, but now the results of the Whooping Cough that was the problem. I coughed for months, but the last two months were not Whooping Cough. It was bronchitis from the leftover inflammation, according to the four doctors I saw.

I would venture Covid might be similar. Your body still has to heal from any damage done, even though what caused the damage is gone.

Take care, OP.

[Treasur]

Many years ago i suffered from an auto-immune disorder with lots of odd symptoms that the doctors never really pinned down to a diagnosis. It took me a few years, bit by bit, to recover. Someone introduced me to the Spoons Theory....https://www.healthline.com/health/spoon-theory-chronic-illness-explained-like-never-before#1.....which I found incredibly useful both as a way to manage my own limited bucket and to explain it to others.

[marvin4242]

Here is a great resource that tracks all the vaccines under development and where they are in the process. The Oxford vaccine (UK) and the Wuhan Institute (China) are the furthest along in their process. Hopefully if either proves effective they will be shared with everyone.

https://www.covid-19vaccinetracker.org

[marvin4242]

Another interesting find, researchers have identified a defect in a gene that seems to be one cause of why some young people are severely effected by Covid. The gene seems to impact the ability of the immune system to identify and fight the virus. This may lead to treatment options. Also gives insight into why a minority of younger people are more at risk.

This kind of work is possible because of our advances in gene sequencing.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768926

[xyzcf]

I like this chart from the Canadian Government re assessing one's risk depending upon an activity. It's not anything new but I think "awareness" continues to be important as we wait for a vaccine.

Lately, people have invited me to attend a few "gatherings", outdoors (for the only time I go indoors is to the grocery store or medical apts) but  although it all sounds good and safe, I know that it is hard to remain distant from people when you are in a group.

https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/phac-aspc/documents/services/publications/diseases-conditions/covid-19-going-out-safely/cov19-gt-eng.pdf

I also found this article thought provoking, sometimes we think, oh just this one time won't make a difference.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/masks-stop-coronavirus-getting-aids-showed-me-stupidity-not-wearing-ncna1234878

My goal, stay "protected" as much as possible until a vaccine is available.

I also though Dr Fauci's responses worth considering. He would not at this time fly or eat indoors at a restaurant. he acknowledges that at age 79, he is in a high risk category.....and asks younger folks not to gather together in larger groups/parties/bars etc.

[marvin4242]

Thanks xyzcf both great articles. Really liked the risk chart. I for one avoid most medium risk activities although I’m not in high risk group.

Here is one that is a good analysis of where the US is, some information about what approaches are used based on how widespread the virus is. And overall a good read on how the US has failed badly, where we are and how public health experts view all of this. Long read but worthwhile.

One paragraph in particular gave me hope:

“Images of Americans disregarding social distancing requirements have become a daily news staple. But the pictures are deceptive: Americans are more accepting of social distancing than the media sometimes portrays, said Beth Redbird, a Northwestern University sociologist who since March has conducted regular surveys of 8,000 adults about the impact of the virus.

“About 70 percent of Americans report using all forms of it,” she said. “And when we give them adjective choices, they describe people who won’t distance as mean, selfish or unintelligent, not as generous, open-minded or patriotic.”“

Where I live mask compliance is very high, but I only have to go 30 miles to am adjacent state where more than 1/2 the people don’t wear masks in stores and openly defy guidelines as a statement.

A Viral Epidemic Splintering Into Deadly Pieces
There’s not just one coronavirus outbreak in the United States. Now there are many, each requiring its own mix of solutions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/29/health/coronavirus-future-america.html

[marvin4242]

OP: Its quite long I will try to hit the highlights.

"Once again, the coronavirus is ascendant. As infections mount across the country, it is dawning on Americans that the epidemic is now unstoppable, and that no corner of the nation will be left untouched."

"Each state, each city has its own crisis driven by its own risk factors: vacation crowds in one, bars reopened too soon in another, a revolt against masks in a third.

“We are in a worse place than we were in March,” when the virus coursed through New York, said Dr. Leana S. Wen, a former Baltimore health commissioner. “Back then we had one epicenter. Now we have lots.”"

"In most states, contact tracing is now moot — there are simply too many cases to track. "

"Overall, the scientists conveyed a pervasive sense of sadness and exhaustion. Where once there was defiance, and then a growing sense of dread, now there seems to be sorrow and frustration, a feeling that so many funerals never had to happen and that nothing is going well. The United States is a wounded giant, while much of Europe, which was hit first, is recovering and reopening — although not to us."

"Most of the virus’s victims are elderly, but it has not spared young adults, especially those with obesity, high blood pressure or diabetes. Adults aged 18 to 49 now account for more hospitalized cases than people aged 50 to 64 or those 65 and older.

Children are usually not harmed by the virus, although clinicians were dismayed to discover a few who were struck by a rare but dangerous inflammatory version. Young children appear to transmit the virus less often than teenagers, which may affect how schools can be opened.

Among adults, a very different picture has emerged. Growing evidence suggests that perhaps 10 percent of the infected account for 80 percent of new transmissions. Unpredictable superspreading events in nursing homes, meatpacking plants, churches, prisons and bars are major drivers of the epidemic."

"Some experts, like Michael T. Osterholm, the director of the University of Minnesota’s Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy, argue that only a nationwide lockdown can completely contain the virus now. Other researchers think that is politically impossible, but emphasize that localities must be free to act quickly and enforce strong measures with support from their state capitols.

Danielle Allen, the director of Harvard University’s Edmond J. Safra Center for Ethics, which has issued pandemic response plans, said that finding less than one case per 100,000 people means a community should continue testing, contact tracing and isolating cases — with financial support for those who need it.

The second-largest teachers’ union in the U.S. said it would support members who strike if schools don’t take steps to reopen safely.
A new U.S. federal report urged 21 “red zone” states to impose more restrictions.
The number of known infections among U.S. state prison inmates and officers has surged by 45 percent since July 1, to more than 80,000.
Up to 25 cases per 100,000 requires greater restrictions, like closing bars and limiting gatherings. Above that number, authorities should issue stay-at-home orders, she said."

"Testing must be free in places where people are poor or uninsured, such as public housing projects, Native American reservations and churches and grocery stores in impoverished neighborhoods.

None of this will be possible unless the nation’s capacity for testing, a continuing disaster, is greatly expanded. By the end of summer, the administration hopes to start using “pooling,” in which tests are combined in batches to speed up the process."

Sorry I tried but this is highlights just from the first 1/3. I think there is a certain number of free reads per month with NYT.

[OldPilot]

A Viral Epidemic Splintering Into Deadly Pieces
There’s not just one coronavirus outbreak in the United States. Now there are many, each requiring its own mix of solutions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/29/health/coronavirus-future-america.html

Thanks xyzcf for sending me the article.
It was good but the headline kind of misled me,
I thought they were saying their was actually different versions of the virus going around,
like a mutated thing.
But that is not what they were saying.


Edit - thanks Marvin for that.