[Synicca]

My H's OW has told him to "stay" with us at home so that he could be with our D.

That she was ok with that..LOL!! ya right!!

They have to make themselves look like the good guy...My H told me back right after BD that OW was mortified
over her affair with my H, that she felt HORRIBLE...He said, that should mean she isnt a complete bad person. 

whatever...the OW R is fake!!

anyway, both EA's and PA's are hurtful, no doubt about that. But I still think the emotional "tie" is harder to let go of.
I know this doesnt really apply to MLCers because they feel like They have never felt this way about anyone.
My H told me at BD, that he loved her more then he even ever loved me, that he was able to reach deep into emotions
that he never thought he had. He was writing her poetry for crying out loud!!  LOL!!

[kikki]

My H told me at BD, that he loved her more then he even ever loved me, that he was able to reach deep into emotions
that he never thought he had. He was writing her poetry for crying out loud!!  LOL!!

Syn - you know somewhere deep down that that just isn't true.

Your H is in La La land.  The OW is a nutter.  True love?  Yeah right!

My H's OW also said to him at the beginning - 'you really should try to make things work with your W'
What amazes me is that not only do our H's read from a script, so do the OW - astounding!!

[Synicca]

oh no worries Kikki...I knew about 2 months after BD...it was as fake as they come.

[Mamma Bear]

 Fake everything. It's like Tinsel town in their heads except with trailer park trash. I can see from cell phone that he's going to get more vicodin from MD today.  I thought he was looking for work?     Uh Oh I hope OW Bowser can afford the rent and doesn't mind him laying around in Fantasy Land circling jobs in the paper and eating rolaids and vicodin in the bathroom.  True love.........True happiness...I mean True avoidance!  True running! 

[kikki]

Fake everything alright Mamma!

I don't know what's worse - my H creates true happiness by running away from us and working like an addicted maniac to keep him from thinking a single thought about anything in the real world.  His job is all about fantasy land - Trailer trash OW works in fantasy land with him - PERFECT

[Mamma Bear]

KIKi Ew  Work together? Disgusting.  I thought since they are incapable of having a R with anyone it must be really shallow.
   My Ds are such great little spies. Only once did they hang out around OW Bowser. And the info they told me is hysetrical. I don't even know why I'm so worried.  They said they hardly talk. When he says something she always laughs. 
 I asked if OW talks a lot.   Ds said "No. She said 'What do you want for dinner'?  That's about it. Daddy does all the talking and he's really quiet and confused looking."         Right on script.  Hooray!   Lovin' it!
    I also know he is being dissed by his brothers and sisters and Mom.  He never had any friends really. Just fun ole' me.
    Well process away time consumer. We are GALing over here.  Gotta get home and help with 4th Grade math

[Patience]

I don't really know what OW said about me, but I have some pretty good ideas based upon a few things my husband has said.  The day I discovered the affair, she "broke" it off with him supposedly.  I have some pretty good reasons to think that she was communicating with him through a mutual friend for a few days.  She was afraid of what the big, bad wife (me) would do and that I would "out" them to her husband.  Such a great example of emotional manipulation this was.  H begged me to leave her and her family alone although I gave no indications I would ever contact her or her husband.  The truth was, if I was going to do so, it would have been done in the first 48 hours after I found out. 

I also suspect she played the "I'm so sorry for what I've done to her (me) card" on numerous occasions.  Again, this is based upon something H said to me, while indirect, that was evidence of this.  The fact is that some one that is sorry for an action does not continue the behavior, even going so far as to invite the MLCer out for a special day AFTER he is home and reconciling with his wife.  Her emotional blackmail and manipulation still infuriates me. 

I also still suspect that she was pushing H to divorce and move out.  If he did so, she could leave her family and husband.  Again, this is sort of an educated guess based upon reading the articles, the forum, and a few things H said to me during the worst days and since we have been working at building and rebuilding our marriage.  More emotional blackmail by her. 

I do also know that the sex, and I'm hesitant to even call it that as that is giving to much humanity, was horrible and awful.  There were days I know he went to see her before I found out and happen to know he was particularly "affectionate" that morning.  Guess he was creating an excuse for himself for the lousy coupling or his inability to perform or whatever. 

[Red Star]

Patience, I like to hear about bad coupling! LOL I cannot be sure if H is in EA, or if it has gone PA. Anyone want to go spy for me???  I have been trying to decide IF I could handle knowing it is PA and stay Standing. For safety sake, I assume it is PA. But that is different than knowing it. H says it has not gone PA, but he does not deny that he is attracted to her. Excuse me, I need to clear my throat....hum,..skank.....

For MY sake, I really want to know the truth now. I just do not know if I am one of those that cannot get past the 3rd person "in bed". 

Mulling...gotta run!
Sorry for the hi-jack, Syn!
Bestar

[kikki]

KIKi Ew  Work together? Disgusting.  I thought since they are incapable of having a R with anyone it must be really shallow.
 

Sure is Ew!!! and Disgusting !!!!

They are both revolting. The entitlement astounds me.  The good thing is that our three teenage boys REFUSE to have anything to do with her, so that's the strongest message that H gets.  Other work people just have to suck it up I guess, but I bet people are laughing behind their backs.
I mean - there's me and our three beautiful boys, and then there's trailer trash skank who thinks she's won the lottery ......  hmmmmmm
I have heard many whispers of 'OMG I'm so shocked - he's such a cliche'

The funny thing is my H has said on more than one occasion that he was incapable of having a R with me in the end ........ pause ......... actually incapable of having a R with anyone ..........  (so what is it that they're having, one has to wonder? - shallow definitely).

I think all they must talk about is work, work, work, oh and 'what do you want for dinner'

Must be the big difference between your H's overt depression and my H's covert depression.  Mine is using addictions (work, Ow, dope) to cover up and at least function in this area.  Yours likes drawing circles and taking meds 
H does let his 'mask' slip off around us often though and often looks absolutely dreadful.  At the moment he's on a bit of a roll and on the upswing though.  No doubt we'll see a big drop again before too long.

Two of our boys have checked out H's phone (bad boys) - they both said that it was just like their teenage mates, the way the pair of them were carrying on.  No, nothing of any depth going on there at all.

[Mamma Bear]

   KiKi  One time someone sent me a copy of OW Bowser 's FB she had said "  I am not amused. My phone crashed and burned. My love bought me a fabulous new one."
    What 47 year old woman talks like that?  I mean Really? My H got 1400 on the SATs and if he hadn't gotten mixed up with opiates at an early age (MLC root cause I think)  then he'd have gone to Princeton or Fordham or Cornell like his siblings. This S**t is so crazy. This website and these articles are right on with this stuff. I really trust the MLC process.    He told his Mom he liked it over there bc it's quiet and he's not yelling at his kids anymore. He's not yelling at his kids bc he sees them a few times a week if that!!!!  Too funny.   EA/PA Bad news for us right now!!  BUT  'change is in the wind'.  I love when Conway said that.  That I am sure of. It is NOT REAL. I can see it in his face.