[kikki]

Shouldn’t a demon inside your head be schizophrenia?  Do not recall any demon inside my head when I had my physical exhaustion breakdown that lead to depression. All I recall was the lack of energy and will to do anything. Nothing of that you should smash the car against a tree.

Don't forget the difference between overt and covert depression too.
Not sure, but I do know that Bursty talked about the voices in his head, telling him to do destructive things at BD. He said a battle was going on in his head.
A year ago, he talked about his awareness of his self destruction, and self sabotage.
He said he felt powerless to stop.

I have read of it in agitated depression, and you can also get psychosis with depression they now think. No doubt, the descriptors will keep changing.

And same for Mr J when he had is two physical exhaustion breakdowns. Nothing telling him to put and end to his life. He also had no energy. No idea how he manages High Replay energy nor where it come from. His normal depression mode is flat.

This replay is something else, isn't it.  Nuts.
I've asked Bursty once if he has considered taking his life, since this began, he said no.  But who would know.

Did not saw the mini series on INXS. about But didn’t Michael Hutchence had problems with drinking and drugs? Alcohol, drugs, any addiction change the brain, often leading to mood/personality alterations.

He did, but they really ramped up after the head injury apparently.  Became really out of control.

Is it really possible for those MLCer in very long high replay activities to have their brains back to normal? Couldn’t some of them really become addicts for life?

This thought worries me too.  How to go back to 'normal' after this?  No idea. 

[serenity]

I've had that thought many times about how my H could ever go back to normal as he's been like this for so long now and says he now likes who he's become!

After a little over 4 years - he's now worse than ever! The previous year it had all seemed to be calming down and less energy but like I said now he seems in overdrive!

X

[Anjae]

Think there is a difference in being in high energy MLC for years and spend those years heavily drinking/doing drugs. It is the second type of things that can provide a life long addiction. We have no way of knowing if a MLCer, will, or will not, become an addict (a real one, not just MLC one).

Yes, Kikki, the psychotic episodes. Some MLCers have them and they are not pretty to watch.

[kikki]

Think there is a difference in being in high energy MLC for years and spend those years heavily drinking/doing drugs. It is the second type of things that can provide a life long addiction. We have no way of knowing if a MLCer, will, or will not, become an addict (a real one, not just MLC one).

I was thinking more, because of the longevity of the MLC depression, what long term effects may that have on the brain?

[kikki]

Not MLC or depression, but autism.  They are discovering that normal synaptic pruning does not occur in children with autism.

http://www.iflscience.com/brain/children-autism-have-extra-synapses-their-brains

[Anjae]

I was thinking more on the addiction a MLCer may gain. The long term depression may (wiil?) have effects on the brain, but once their crisis and crisis behaviours are over, if they chose a healthier life, they may be mitigated/improved/cured.

It is the addictions I worry about. If it passes from MLC to real life long condition the MLCer is in real troubles. Of course the longer they use those substances/things (gambling is not a substance but it is one of the worst, if not the worst addiction), the more hooked they will be, the more damage brain and body will suffer.

Add the depression (depression is always part of addiction) and a very ugly cocktail is in place.

[kikki]

Yes, I see what you mean Anjae.  It is a concern.

[osb]

Can't think of anything in life that wouldn't have biological causes; we are after all a $6 baggie of chemicals    So MLC is biological. Also psychological (since biology becomes electricity becomes thought); and also spiritual (for those illuminated by spirit).

But if you've ever seen a heroin addict going dry and panicking beyond breath; if you've ever seen a meth head scrabbling vainly for a single thought in the neurotransmitter void that is left of her mind; hell, if you've ever seen a beatnick after a thick night, wondering if he still has the motivation to blink... then I suspect you've seen the wellspring of MLC.  The same synaptic patterns that give rise to addiction and burn-out seem to be present during MLC, in a rather different form. I wonder if this means an addict doesn't need the drugs, just the synapses?? Hmmm.

[kikki]

Always love your scientific crossed with thought provoking linguistic views osb

So MLC is biological. Also psychological (since biology becomes electricity becomes thought); and also spiritual (for those illuminated by spirit).

I wonder if this means an addict doesn't need the drugs, just the synapses?? Hmmm.

interesting thought.

[Anjae]

Minus the beatnick (unless for beatnick you mean drunk) I've seen them. Scary. And the meth empty brains ones were quite young.

Just the synapases? And what would the addict/MLCer synapses be passing if not the drug/high effect? Before they start taking drugs the addicts have synapses but the drugs seems to be what drives them nuts.

Or do you mean that addicts/MLCers synapses are different from non addicts/MLCers even before they start taking drugs/have MLC?