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#110: February 16, 2015, 04:47:05 AM
MsT .. I have often said that is a reality camera crew followed me around for the past 2 years and actually caught on camera the utter wreckage of lives... no one would ever cheat again. NEVER will i just " swallow it down " ... even if I wanted to with my entire heart and saul, it is not possible. To answer your question. " how do men feel about the other womwn after it is over ? ". I have asked my husband this question.. not alot , but I have asked. These are some of his responses.
- she is obviously crazy (?)
she was looking to be you ( meaning me ,, the wife) with the big mansion, great vacations etc-
-i feel " nothing " about her . I never think about her ever.
- i feel disgusted with my involvement with her
-i feel she used me as possible "sugar daddy" .. as I was her 3rd married man
- emotionally ?  I just feel "nothing " .. no emotion comes to the surface .. zero.

I want to go back to this b/c Barbie, this one post has given me more joy than anything I have read about MLC yet.  I want to read it again and again.  It is what we all want to hear, whether I take him back or not, I want to hear these words.  Thank you for posting.
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Re: Midlife Crisis Affair Verses other affair types
#111: February 16, 2015, 04:54:46 AM
MsT .. I have often said that is a reality camera crew followed me around for the past 2 years and actually caught on camera the utter wreckage of lives... no one would ever cheat again. NEVER will i just " swallow it down " ... even if I wanted to with my entire heart and saul, it is not possible. To answer your question. " how do men feel about the other womwn after it is over ? ". I have asked my husband this question.. not alot , but I have asked. These are some of his responses.
- she is obviously crazy (?)
she was looking to be you ( meaning me ,, the wife) with the big mansion, great vacations etc-
-i feel " nothing " about her . I never think about her ever.
- i feel disgusted with my involvement with her
-i feel she used me as possible "sugar daddy" .. as I was her 3rd married man
- emotionally ?  I just feel "nothing " .. no emotion comes to the surface .. zero.

The reason I ask is that he was always so loyal and faithful (until he wasn't) and I'm worried that in some twisted way he will transfer that loyalty and faithfulness to her and get married and live happily ever after. I guess that's a normal fear for LBS?
This makes me feel better, thanks :)
My fear is that, aside from going after a taken man, mine doesn't really appear to be affair down as much as some others I've read about. Although up until a few months ago, he had nothing nice to say about her and even told me stories about her leading guys on and then acting innocent when they started to respond to her advances, and didn't seem to have respect for her. Now she "is such and nice person, really misunderstood."
 
Difference is simple. Regular cheaters have serious issues, in majority cases they are personality disordered people which come along with a lot other psychological issues. Those people learn little or nothing from own mistakes, because they cannot learn it. So, those kind of spouses are spotted early in marriage and those marriages fall apart in 3 to max 7 years.
Personal crisis, specially MLC is sudden change in personality to the opposite what Your spouse was. Total meltdown. And yes, after 20 and more years of marriage.
This is very logical, I agree.

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Re: Midlife Crisis Affair Verses other affair types
#112: February 16, 2015, 05:19:28 AM
Difference is simple. Regular cheaters have serious issues, in majority cases they are personality disordered people which come along with a lot other psychological issues. Those people learn little or nothing from own mistakes, because they cannot learn it. So, those kind of spouses are spotted early in marriage and those marriages fall apart in 3 to max 7 years.
Personal crisis, specially MLC is sudden change in personality to the opposite what Your spouse was. Total meltdown. And yes, after 20 and more years of marriage.

I don't post here often, because I always feel like the voice of dissent, and here I go again, but Albatross, this is dangerous and judgmental thinking.  "Regular cheaters" have as many reasons for cheating as there are cheaters and not all of them have any more serious issues than MLCers.  I would argue a "regular cheater" who is struggling to bring home the bacon, be a loving nurturing father and has a woman who is no longer a wife, but a mother, uninterested in sex, who has a fling on the side, but is trying his best to hold his family together is a LOT less PDed than some of the spouses around here.  I think MLC is a lifetime of managed PD finally in bloom...

I have known lots of "regular cheaters," men and women.  And I find most of them to have been situational and all I could forgive more easily than my H.  I was intrigued when I saw this thread because I have been wondering about something similar for a while...  exH had a fling very early in our M.  He was sorry, a bit shaken up, I was pissed, but I forgave him.  And I would never be one to say he NEVER did it again over the next 20 years, but I don't think he did.  He could have, I don't know, he traveled and had opportunity, and I never would have suspected or looked--I didn't know about OW, either.  But, I agree, an affair is an affair, is an affair.  It is not the action, it is the reason for the action that makes it an MLC affair.  But it would still be hard to know the difference, "regular cheaters" can also have MLCs and have different affairs. 

We seek relationships of ALL kinds to meet needs, for love, friendship, companionship, drama, personal support, status, whatever, there are lots of reasons we have people in our lives.  And even on these boards, we might define affairs differently, is an EA as bad or worse than a PA?  Is a work spouse that your H tells your most intimate marriage details more dangerous to your M than a woman he has sex with and never talks to?  And is any of those worse than the group of young partiers your H has started hanging with that he insists he is going to ________ with every weekend? 

An affair is something that threatens your M, whether it's a car, a running habit, a woman, a job, or I would even argue, a child--many women have children for selfish reasons they would often deny.  The reason for seeking it differs for every person.  MLCers are in a life transition, trying to differentiate and establish a true sense of self they still have not achieved.  Most of them will grasp at any twig that looks like it might hold them, or that they think will prove them strong.  "Regular cheaters" are looking for something for themselves, MLCers are looking for themselves.  And that's the difference, regular cheaters find what they need in affairs, and often that affair allows them to KEEP their M--by finding something their spouse is unable or unwilling to give they can keep their other life.  MLCers seek to replace--their affair becomes them--because they can't find themselves in their other life.   

And so, this leads me to the question I have been ruminating over, but I think I might ask it on another thread, so as not to hijack this one... 
 

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Re: Midlife Crisis Affair Verses other affair types
#113: February 16, 2015, 05:28:37 AM
MsT .. I have often said that is a reality camera crew followed me around for the past 2 years and actually caught on camera the utter wreckage of lives... no one would ever cheat again. NEVER will i just " swallow it down " ... even if I wanted to with my entire heart and saul, it is not possible. To answer your question. " how do men feel about the other womwn after it is over ? ". I have asked my husband this question.. not alot , but I have asked. These are some of his responses.
- she is obviously crazy (?)
she was looking to be you ( meaning me ,, the wife) with the big mansion, great vacations etc-
-i feel " nothing " about her . I never think about her ever.
- i feel disgusted with my involvement with her
-i feel she used me as possible "sugar daddy" .. as I was her 3rd married man
- emotionally ?  I just feel "nothing " .. no emotion comes to the surface .. zero.


 
somehow I deleted half my last post, so let me try again  :)
This makes me feel better, because this OP in my situation is someone he actively disliked up until a few months ago, he told me himself that she leads guys on and then plays the innocent act when they start to respond, and cries sexual harassment.
On the other hand, besides going after a taken man and trying to get male attention for all the wrong reasons, she's not ugly, she's educated, makes a lot of money, and has plenty of free time to party with other 20somethings what with not having kids or a mortgage or anything, so it doesn't really feel like affair down, it feels like traded up for newer model. Also, even though I know I shouldn't have any expectations of him at all, especially based on his past behavior, up until he wasn't, he was very loyal and faithful so I am afraid he will attach that loyalty and faithfulness to her and feel obligated to stick with her, get married, and live happily ever after. I guess this is normal fear for LBS?
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Re: Midlife Crisis Affair Verses other affair types
#114: February 16, 2015, 05:36:06 AM
An affair is an affair regardless of mlc or not. Same betryal, same emotions. I think mlc complicates it further and causes it to maybe prolong itself but in the end it's the same.

Yes an affair is an affair, no matter what the reason, it hurts like Hell.  We can't help ourselves but focus on the affair b/c it's humiliating, it makes us question our self worth, our lives, as if everything we have ever known was all a lie.

For me, the real focus is not the affair (she is and always will be nothing to me) it's his leaving.  Why did he leave?  That's where MLC comes in for me.  Maybe I'm in denial, maybe I'm just making excuses, but how does a man who basically worshiped me for 25+ years just turn away?  The girl was just a way for him to exit, it's not about the sex.  Hey, I have a boyfriend, I'm getting just as much, probably more b/c nobody on this side needs Viagra or libido pills. I know many LBSers on here focus on the sex, I really believe the sex is just a side dish.

So there can be affairs, such as ICAWC, described, yes it hurt but that was a "normal" affair.  MLC is more, it's total destruction of a family, total destruction of the MLCer and everybody that loves him.  My husband didn't get drunk and have a flirtation that got out of hand, he systematically destroyed everything that was important to him for the last 30 years.  His career, his family, his (former) friends, his integrity, the way he presents himself to the outside world....systematically destroying each one. 

One time, just one time, he looked up at me when we were discussing finances and blurted out, "You must hate me", I wasn't ready for it and just responded, "No, I forgive you for me b/c I can't live my life being bitter all the time".  I know though, he really wasn't worried about me, he hates himself.  I believe this as much as I believe that I'm sitting here right now.   
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Re: Midlife Crisis Affair Verses other affair types
#115: February 16, 2015, 05:40:56 AM
I have been "sitting on the sidelines" for a while reading several threads...For me-I am starting to doubt MLC.  I wonder if I had it all wrong, and hang out here in the HOPES that I was right and it IS MLC if nothing more than for an apology some day.

As it applies to the topic at hand-me and wife began our R with infidelity.  How naive was I-I thought our r was special, unique, and that the normal rules didn't apply to us.  What a fool I was.  I guess its just is her nature and "who she is", even though she hasn't done it in 20+ years...Once a cheater, always a cheater?!!?!?!  I just don't know any more...

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Re: Midlife Crisis Affair Verses other affair types
#116: February 16, 2015, 05:49:26 AM
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If she went 20+ years w/o cheating then your marriage was not a lie and what you had was special.    Something happened to her and you know this to be true.  Sorry it hurts so damn much.  You are a good man, and if not your wife, then someone else when you are ready will scoop you up and she will be kicking herself.  You will decide how this story ends.
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Re: Midlife Crisis Affair Verses other affair types
#117: February 16, 2015, 05:52:40 AM
For me, the real focus is not the affair (she is and always will be nothing to me) it's his leaving.  Why did he leave?  That's where MLC comes in for me.  Maybe I'm in denial, maybe I'm just making excuses, but how does a man who basically worshiped me for 25+ years just turn away?

So there can be affairs, such as ICAWC, described, yes it hurt but that was a "normal" affair.  MLC is more, it's total destruction of a family, total destruction of the MLCer and everybody that loves him.  My husband didn't get drunk and have a flirtation that got out of hand, he systematically destroyed everything that was important to him for the last 30 years.  His career, his family, his (former) friends, his integrity, the way he presents himself to the outside world....systematically destroying each one


the above is exactly the same questions I have asked myself my h adored and worshipped me and would have done anything to protect me from everything no one would hurt me , he said I was a lovely person and I was always there for everyone including him

it still makes me wonder "why" and why is he dreaming of me and sending it on twitter to our son telling him he dreamt my leg was in plaster, he hopes i am ok? we have had no contact now for 6 weeks that hurts too after such a large touch and go over christmas and new year. but i digress sorry x
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Re: Midlife Crisis Affair Verses other affair types
#118: February 16, 2015, 05:54:27 AM
I agree with I can.
The difference, as I see it, is a regular affair isn't usually something that the spouse leaves their family over.  Most love their spouse, but for what ever reason they just have a fling.  Probably exciting but I bet most of them would never say they are in love with their affair partner.

In MLC, they think they are in love, found their soul mate and want out of the marriage.  They move heaven and earth to be with ow/om.

To me they are 2 different things.  Same amount of pain and destruction, but I think an MLC affair would be worse because they feel they are "in love."
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"From my experience if my H had let me go a long time ago, and stop pressuring me, begging, and pleading and just let go I possibly would have experienced my awakening sooner than I did."

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Re: Midlife Crisis Affair Verses other affair types
#119: February 16, 2015, 06:05:34 AM
sorry another thing that is hard to believe is that with the mlc affair he said when ow moved up here and he had been seeng her for 2 years and she "gave up everything to be here???" that he had made a COMMITMENT now , wasnt our marraige a commitment and a vow to love each other till death us to part not to commit adultery and would protect each other

I still now want to say to him you were already in a comimitment how can you just walk away and leave your family your son your home and leave us with nothing spending thousands on ow ??
grr sorry I am angry now .
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