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Quite handy OP that you posted as I was just about to go look for this thread!  Interesting books Arborealis! Let us know how if you manage to get a copy and what they're like! The second one sounds very interesting to me!

By the way, I came across a free book spite today called BookBub.com. Don't know if it will have anything of interest, but it might be worth looking at, plus I am told there are loads of free or nearly free books online, worth checking. I have a friend who rarely pays for books.

I am ashamed to say (nah I'm not ashamed at all!) to still be reading "I Don't Want to Talk About it". I put it down some time ago, got busy and didn't get back to it. I have now. This book blows my mind. It breaks my heart. Reading of the impact on boys and men of gender stereotyping, "you must be strong", "boys don't cry" etc makes me feel so sad. I'm actually preparing a presentation on gender stereotypes which seem to have become worse in recent years.  what's with all the blue and pink and girls toys and boys toys? Makes me so angry! Anyway mustn't digress!

I think what our society does to boys is criminal, how they lose the language of emotion, are not cuddled or helped as much as girls. Goes with the "be a man" ideology. . I feel I understand my husband a lot more. Years before his MLC, he was always unable to express his feelings, often didn't even know what they were. He was also very moody, which I think arose from his repressed emotions.

Mid life crisis is depression, albeit covert. Ok maybe not news, but reading all the stories of how it manifests in men's lives is truly heartbreaking,  as well as the means they will go to run away from it.

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I read this book a couple of days ago and wish I could help the covert depression I now see in my dad and brother who do not get on with each other.

My H keeps having suicidal thoughts. This book really helps me to empathise with him but it is so hard to stop wanting to fix him. I wish Terrence Real could give my H therapy
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OP, Did you ever post my book list?  The top books that got me through the nasty MLC coaster:

The Gift of Betrayal, Eve Wood and the Grief Recovery Handbook

The ones that helped me understand MLC:

Deal, and of his books
Wrestling with Love, Osherson

The ones that helped me help my kids through divorce:

Parents who Cheat, Ana Nogales
Between Two Worlds, Marquart
Children of Divorce, Andrew Root
Giving the Love that Heals, Hendrix (all his books are amazing)

The ones that helped me rebuild myself: 

The Work, Byron Katie
I thought it Was just Me, Brene Brown
Lost and Found, Geneen Roth
Radical Acceptance, Tara Brach

The ones that helped me move on:

The Art of Loving, Fromm
When Good People Have Affairs
Emotional Chaos to Clarity

The ones that helped me in my new R: 

Remarriage Blueprint, Maggie Scarf
All the Venus and Mars books
and a nod to OP, the love languages book...   

If you need any recommendations on others, let me know-- I have read them ALL!  Love and light, ll
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For hell with forgiving I am currently reading: The Unburdened Heart by Suzanne Eller

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What an awesome list Lisalives! So very helpful of you to have compiled a resource list like this! There's a good few there I want to look for.

Hmm, yes I wish my h could have therapy with Mr Real too but it doesn't seem in the cards for you or me. I'm hoping h will see a therapist when he hits bottom, but as usual, I will have no say in any of it. I do struggle with thinking, if I sent him this link, this book, this quote, etc, it might change something. But it doesn't.

Bookwrmmom, do let me know what you think of the book. Sounds interesting!
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Re: Old Pilot Books Reviews
#85: August 22, 2014, 07:54:28 AM
From HS May 16, 2010, 05:43:33 PM

http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=6.msg179#msg179

This book I would highly reccomend reading for the LBS is Susan Anderson's
The Journey From Abandonment To Healing.
Susan Anderson has been working with abandoned spouses for 25 years, has identified slightly different stages and considers the LBS/Abandoned experience akin to a form of PTSD.
It is helped me tremendously.

Here is the link for the outer child inventory

http://www.outerchild.net/

According to Anderson we all have an inner child and outer child conflict.
By identifying our outer child traits we can help to overcome the outer child and become adults.

Also want to put a post in here from the DB Board
written by Lost For Words on the Stages of the LBS

My thoughts on the LBS stages;

Denial- Without a doubt the first phase. It could be as simple as denying that there is something wrong or amiss. Eventually turning to denial that it is actually happening to us, denying our part in everything, and the worse part.....denying our inner self's to come out. Maybe because we don't know how.....but at the point everything is caused by some outside catalyst. Sounds very MLC like to me?

Bargaining-I put this here instead of after anger because I feel the deep seated thought out anger is yet to come. We have felt the quick anger brought on by emotional pain and trauma, but not that thought out and reviewed anger that is to come. So we beg, plead, whatever it takes (during this stage I actually saw the positive side of an open marriage...granted my situation is only slightly different...LOL). We will do whatever it takes to save the marriage, yet haven't realized that the marriage is gone. dead! Fini!

Anger-This stage is third...why you ask? At this point our bargaining, selling of our soul, absolutely nothing has had the expected results. So we feel deep down anger and conviction that we are right...they are wrong....and We will win no matter who loses! This very well might be the hardest stage for anybody going through this. I have been scanning lightly in newcomers and see so many of that boards "mentors" stuck themselves in this stage. Trying to control what is uncontrollable out of anger and not based on sound decision.

Depression-At this point the energy involved with our anger is used up. We are burnt out......and now we are ALONE. Yes...we have been alone in the physical sense for some time, but the bucket is finally empty.

Resentment-Slightly different than anger.....more identified with long periods of being OK....then boom.....anger comes bursting back in very brief, but extremely intense blasts. I think it is almost a triggered response...a missed ball game, long weekend with a sick child, or coming up short on a mortgage payment. A catalyst disturbs the beast sleeping within.

Acceptance-I place this before forgiveness because I feel you have to accept the marriage is done before you can forgive the damage it's death has caused. At this point you know that you are alone. The resentment is gone because you accept that triggers from resentment are just yours alone to deal with. This is also a great time for personal growth. Confidence that you will survive on your own, that you can do thing yourself, and that the sun will still rise tomorrow.

Self-growth-Regaining on confidence continued. New perspective of the things around you. Constant questioning...of yourself and the principles we follow. At this point anything is possible....for ourselves.

Forgiveness-At this point you can forgive yourself for your part in the demise of the marriage. You can also see the pain the process has caused our spouse. The knowledge that neither party has really come out of this unscathed is apparent. You will know at this point that the journey was beneficial for both parties as long as neither got tripped up in their respective journeys. Maybe the marriage is renewed...maybe not.

Renewal-The world is different (I know that I see it differently). We are almost reborn to a life that that has unlimited potential. Things that were once taken for granted are cherished...and things thought essential are no longer that important. We are finally able to cash in on the independent self that we have found within ourselves.

Living again-At this point we move on, piece, whatever hand we have been dealt. Everything behind will be seen with compassion for the pain it caused and the enlightenment about ourselves that we achieved.
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Re: Books Recomendations & Discusion - MLC or Other
#86: September 21, 2014, 03:04:18 AM
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Re: Books Recomendations & Discusion - MLC or Other
#87: September 21, 2014, 03:41:10 AM
I picked that up some time ago Still Praying and found it a valuable resource. It was extremely cheap on amazon uk, worth getting a Kindle for!

I keep a list of book that are mentioned in people's threads on HS, often a wonderful way to find new books!

Some of the new titles I've sourced are:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Crossing-Souls-River-Rite-Passage/dp/1608990842/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1411295451&sr=8-1&keywords=crossing+the+souls+river
haven't begun this, read abut it on someone's thread recently, maybe someone will know who I'm talking of!

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Chiron-Healing-Journey-Melanie-Reinhart-ebook/dp/B00BBAZXCI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1411295543&sr=8-1&keywords=chiron+and+the+healing+journey
 astrological content. Chiron is often referred to as the Wounded Healer. Some very interesting parallels to MLC.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Authentic-Heart-Eightfold-Path-Midlife-ebook/dp/B000Q6772C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1411295581&sr=8-1&keywords=The+authentic+heart
Have just started reading this, wonderful! I think Callan recommended it.

Have also on my shelf/kindle but have yet to read:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Radical-Acceptance-Awakening-Heals-Shame-ebook/dp/B008PU8Q2Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1411295743&sr=8-1&keywords=Radical+acceptance

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Love-Respect-Desires-Desperately-Needs-ebook/dp/B004MYFQ3Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1411295868&sr=8-1&keywords=love+and+respect

I have listed these from amazon for convenience but always check your library, beg and borrow and try free book sites, second hand shops and ebay. I have a very very very small budget and often get an older edition or second hand copy, and always check my library.


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Re: Books Recomendations & Discusion - MLC or Other
#88: October 06, 2015, 09:11:21 AM
I know often times many books are recommended here for newbies to gain a better understanding of what is happening...I am not a reader, but stumbled upon what I consider a pretty good e-book.  Some of it is repeated material, and mirrors a lot of what can be found in the articles, but does go a little more in depth.

The name of the book is "Dancing in Hell" by Daniel West.

Interestingly enough, he states that 1 in 20 will get their spouses back.  Wonder where he gets his statistics, not that it should matter...your life's journey is about YOU, not you & your spouse.  But still remembering being nothing more than a puddle on the floor the thing I wanted most was the odds.

Anyway, just thought I'd pass this along.

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Re: Books Recomendations & Discusion - MLC or Other
#89: October 30, 2015, 08:07:22 PM
Are there any self help books for MLCers particularly for females written with a Christian pro- marriage perspective? Seems like most i found were more about male MLC.
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