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#100: September 10, 2010, 11:41:40 AM
As an experiment, I asked the same question of iFate: "How should I proceed this weekend if my wife comes by?"

No. 15: "Modesty and Progress"
This hexagram symbolizes the two concepts of modesty and progress.  The suggestion here is that progress at this time can best be accomplished through a modest approach.  Self promotion or boasting are seen as strong negatives here. Actions will speak far louder than self-serving words. If something is unknown, ask without shame.  Feigning knowledge brings misfortune.

NOTE: There is 1 changing-line in the hexagram above.  This specially marked line (#3,) reveals how the situation is changing and gives insight into the future of the situation.
The changes to line 3 indicate:  "Merit Acknowledged"- This changing line near the center of the hexagram is an indication that merit is being publicly acknowledged.  There is also a warning here against the temptations of fame, popularity and glamour.  Such things are the opposite of modesty and destroy one's ability to see things in perspective.  The acknowledgment of merit is good fortune.  To revel in this acknowledgment is to turn good luck into bad.

THE FUTURE: No. 2 "The Receptive"
The Receptive is the hexagram denoting "devotion" and the spirit of the Earth.  Fertile ground is required for creation. The hexagram of "the receptive" often has a strong female meaning, but can denote a powerful relationship between either a man and a woman, a father and son or between friends.  A conscious act of devotion and a willingness to stand by that person, principle or force which sustains us, guides us or fills us with energy.

(It's not a perfect test because my perspective and mood when I asked the question for the second time is not the same as when I asked for the first time, which will yield different results.)
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Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
#101: September 13, 2010, 09:04:26 AM
Question: "How should I respond to my wife this week?"

Cast Hexagram:
49 - Forty-Nine
Ko / Revolution

Fire ignites within the Lake, defying conditions that would deny it birth or survival:
The Superior Person reads the Signs of the Times and makes the Season apparent to all.

The support you need will come only after the deed is done.
Renewed forces, however, will provide fresh energy for exceptional progress.
Persevere.
All differences vanish.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
A revolutionary Change must be made forcibly.
There is no negotiating with the Established Order.
Perfect timing is essential.
Let the abuse of power become apparent and oppressive to those around you before making your move.
Lay the groundwork, sow the seeds for Revolution without tipping your hand prematurely.
You will need a strong foundation, because you will have to bring about this necessary change alone.
You cannot count on popular support, so you must wait until there is massive dissent.
Then the avenue for your assault will be cleared.

Changing Lines:
There are Two Changing Lines.
An Old Yang for Line 5
An Old Yin for Line 6
The Old Yin prevails.

Hexagram Forty-Nine/Line Six:
You dodge the snares and snatch victory with the lightning speed and agility of a panther.
The jackals lose their nerve and swear allegiance to you.
You have won your revolt.
Don't seek to climb higher.
Instead stabilize the new order for the good of all.

Transformed Hexagram:
30 - Thirty
Li / Igniting

Fire sparks more Flames:
The Superior Person holds an inner Fire that ignites passion in every heart it touches, until all the world is enlightened and aflame.

With so searing a flame, success will not be denied you.
Take care to be as peaceful and nurturing as the cow in the meadow; you are strong enough to be gentle.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
A Promethean flame is delivering light and heat to the situation at hand.
This radiance will cause such an alchemical transformation of circumstances that the changes will seem magical, miraculous.
Yet they are only shifts of perspective and attitude that bring clarity.
The passions kindled by this fire must be harnessed and used judiciously, or they threaten to consume your hopes and dreams.
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Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
#102: September 13, 2010, 10:26:30 AM
Hi SS,
what do you make of your readings so far? It would be interesting to see what has come out of earlier readings for people on here, not necessarily in a predictive sense, but does it help with insight.
I take readings everyday, not just about h but about myself, i've found it really calming and you do tend to get the same readings coming up which point to a general direction.
What's anyone else's experience??
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Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
#103: September 13, 2010, 11:29:08 AM
Well, many of the questions I have been asking center around interaction with my wife, of which there has been little.

But I have noticed a common theme of patience, contemplation, and deliberate action in my answers.
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Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
#104: September 13, 2010, 02:21:03 PM
I've found it interesting that what I get on the IChing seems to echo what is said to me here... i.e. do nothing, gather strength, gain allies.  Particularly the latest one on "this is a cycle, you now recognise it as such"....    and "use this dormancy phase to plan which direction you will grow". 

I don't know enough about all the hexagrams; perhaps they are all open to whatever interpretation we feel they need?    But the last one really did seem to hit the nail on the head.    As long as I take the "opportunity for another chance" to mean working on myself, rather than as a prediction of what will happen with H -- or that I don't read anything particular into the type of chance that is meant.....
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Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
#105: September 13, 2010, 02:30:46 PM
The idea behind the I Ching is that it's not a fortune-telling device but rather it's a means of mediating on yourself.

There are only so many combinations of lines to make up hexagrams; Wikipedia has a list of all of the hexagrams and their basic interpretations:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Ching
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"Forgiveness means giving up all hope for a better past."  —Lily Tomlin
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Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
#106: September 13, 2010, 02:36:55 PM
Here is the response I got from "Please give me insight on how to treat my H now"

The lesson of this hexagram is that good things come to those who wait.  Patience requires both inner strength and a commitment to resist the temptation of acting prematurely. Often hardships will arise in the course of one's time spent waiting.  The message here is that those who endure these hardships, and "cross great streams" will emerge victorious.  Do not be put off your path at this time.

Description of change: The changes to line 3 indicate:  "Waiting in the Marsh"- While waiting for events to happen, it is important to remain ready for action.  Changes in this line represent a warning that things are not "at the ready" and your response may be too slow when the situation calls for action.

Future: "Limitation" This hexagram is a reminder of boundaries and edges. It implies containment and conservation of funds and energies. Financially, this is a time to tighten your belt. Health wise, this is a time to respect the limits of health and safety. Romance wise, this is a time to recognize the boundaries and limits that others set. Discover your line in the sand. Be conservative in your affairs and the doors to success will stay open. Just as the shore gives shape to a lake, so also do limits and boundaries give shape to your life. Know these lines, and what is within them will grow in power and meaning.
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Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
#107: September 14, 2010, 01:46:50 PM
I just tried another topic area:  what attitude should I take towards my children when they are acting up?  The response was apt:

Cast Hexagram:

37 - Thirty-Seven
Chia Jên / Family Duties

Warming Air Currents rise and spread from the Hearthfire:
The Superior Person weighs his words carefully and is consistent in his behavior.

Be as faithful as a good wife.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

One in this situation must be keenly aware of his influence on others.
Maintain a healthy respect for the ripple effect of your words and deeds.
To some you serve as a role model.
You can either help shape their world or tilt them into chaos.
Show temperance and consideration to all.


Changing Lines:

There is One Changing Line.

Hexagram Thirty-Seven/Line Four:

She is the jewel of the home, the family's greatest blessing.
 
Transformed Hexagram:

13 - Thirteen
T'ung Jên / Social Mechanism

Heaven reflects the Flame of clarity:
The Superior Person analyzes the various levels and working parts of the social structure, and uses them to advantage.

Success if you keep to your course.
You may cross to the far shore.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

This is a matter of Positioning -- not only yourself, but others as well.
There are niches to be filled, potentials to be realized, right livelihoods to be found.
You are not building a new organization, but shoring up an existing infrastructure.
It's worth the effort, because it will provide union, community, and an ironclad alliance.

It seemed exactly right. 
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Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
#108: September 20, 2010, 12:19:35 PM
Question: "How should I proceed in the face of no contact with my wife?"

Cast Hexagram:
19 - Nineteen
Lin / Noble Calling

The rich, loamy Earth on the banks of the Marsh provides fertile soil for exceptional progress.
The Superior Person is inexhaustible in his willingness to teach, and without limit in his tolerance and support of others.

Supreme Success if you keep to your course.
But be aware that your time is limited; your power will wane, as Summer changes to Fall.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
You are in a position to help another.
This is a temporary situation, because your power is cyclical, seasonal.
Knowing this, you must perform your good deed without hope of reward.
You are not furthering your own process, but another's.
Though you may cherish this other, you will never possess.
Touch without grasping.
Take comfort in becoming a fond memory.
Nurture, then let go.

No changing lines, so no transformed hexagram.

I'm not quite sure what this means. More of being willing to let her go and "[become] a fond memory"?
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Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
#109: September 20, 2010, 11:36:18 PM
SS -- this is what the psychic-revelations site that mermaid referenced on page 6 of this thread says about that hexagram:

Interpreting The I Ching - Hexagram 19 Lin

I Ching Hexagram: 19
Name: Lin.

Keyphrase: Approach.

Formed By The Trigrams: Earth over Lake.

General: To make steady progress and advancement you need to learn to recognize favorable opportunities.

Love: Take the time to explore the depths of your relationship and deepen your insight into it.

Business: This is a time when expansion and success are possible.

Personal: Listen to those with more wisdom and experience than you.

Overview: Lin indicates that you have the opportunity to listen to and to learn from those with greater wisdom or experience than you. This opportunity should be welcomed and seized gratefully. As with anything circumstances will change so it is critical that the favorable circumstances currently presented are taken full advantage of. It is a good time to look at any possible future difficulties and to try to deal with them preemptively. Success at this time should be shared with those around you.


I find that site interesting; the explanations are simple, and give food for thought. 

I'm not the best at this, but I always remember that it is for ourselves to think about rather than an oracle about the future. 

But so much about MLC is about letting go....
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