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#110: September 03, 2015, 12:18:23 PM
I am really lucky to get regular feedback on what the OW is like. The lastest  came last night - a friend of XP's rung to get some information that he needed. He had been overseas for a few years but returned home last year.
There was an annual event that we all attend and XP and I have been going to for the past 15 years. Last year was the first one I missed -it was 3 months after BD. of course XP took OW, it was one of the darkest times I had lived through. I had imagined that they would be there and everyone would be happy to meet OW etc etc.
Oh now mistaken I was - the friend went up to XP to catch up with him and turned to OW (thinking she was me - apparently looked very similar to how I did 10 years ago :o) and said -who the f@$k are you?! Everyone around them started to laugh and one whispered that they would full him in later. This friend said to XP - what the f@$k have you done you silly "c word", where the he!! is P? XP dropped
 his head and walked away - didn't introduce him to OW. Bet that made them both feel special!!!
Friend said that XP and OW got really drunk, everyone was talking about what an idiot he was and what a skank she was!

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Re: Take heart! OW is always an affair down. Here is proof
#111: September 03, 2015, 12:21:39 PM
I AGREE 200%... massive "fling-down" for my husband . I knew her ( former family member ) and she was bat-crap crazy , a long long track record of horrible decisions, would lay down with anything with blood running thru it ... and he knew all this . But ..she was cute , giddy and "dumsel " smiles and just a sick "victim " of extremely poor moral fiber , character and integrity . In her 20's , she married a man approaching 50.. and of course that lasted very briefly . She has 2 sons .. 1 cannot decide about his sexual identity or stay out of jail, and the other is permanently disabled from drug abuse . Her second marriage ended with her being charged with assault , hauled off to jail and convicted . He "dated " this piece of work while she was on probation . (duh ???) . Her 2nd husband has undergone 2 facial surgeries to reconstruct his face ... she smashed him in a drunken brawl. She cared NOTHING to chat with my children while she was involved with their father ... To top her pathetic behavior off, she went away for the weekend with my mental case husband .. 9 days after her only sister was found dead . And never even mentioned it . I distinctly remember saying repeatedly to the marriage counsellor .. " I do not have to be anything special, not educated , not a great mom, not loyal or faithfull .. nothing . Because he has proven that he will scr$w anything . It still defies belief and can make me sick . At times .. I ask myself .. "and I want him why ?".
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Re: Take heart! OW is always an affair down. Here is proof
#112: September 03, 2015, 12:41:15 PM
I guess it makes sense. like someone said, they probably aren't mentally mature enough in their crisis to date someone their own age.

You can fool young women.  Older women run a mile if they hear "my W doesn't understand me."   ::)
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Re: Take heart! OW is always an affair down. Here is proof
#113: September 03, 2015, 12:53:06 PM
Documented history of suicide attempts.
Documented history of depression when boyfriends left her.
Documented history of stalking them after relationship is over.
Documented history of having "fantasies" and obsessions

I could fill pages with examples of her immaturity, victim playing, fantasy etc. 

Lets see:

There have been more than 3 suicide attempts that I know the first year all coinciding with him spending time with me.
She failed out of grad school because she "couldn't bear to be away from him."  When she returned home, he refused to allow her to move in with him. 
She pretended to have been given a sexually transmitted disease by her abusive ex boyfriend.  Way to make a man want you baby!
She spent more time on my facebook than I did.  She copied all my "likes" and added them to hers.  She started contacting my friends to see if they wanted to be friends with her.  She threatened to "beat me up."  I got a haircut.  She got a haircut.  I began teaching yoga.  She began taking yoga.  I posted a joke.  She posted a joke.  I posted pictures of me and my dogs.  She posted pictures of her with her parents dogs.  It got so funny a friend of mine posted pictures of me with Elvis.  She then posted a song by Elvis. 

She sounds like she has Borderline Personality Disorder, LP. And no identity. Scary.

There's talk on threads about many OP's being narcissists, and while I don't discount that, there's also a lot of OP's out there who sound like they have BPD. Or both NP and BP---either traits or full blown disorder.

It's no wonder that the MLCer/OP relationship falls apart. Can you imagine the kind of "relationship" an emotionally unstable/emotionally immature MLCer and an emotionally unstable (i.e. personality disorder)/emotionally immature OW/OM have?

I bet that initial attraction is like electricity. And then eventually reality sets in.  :o :o
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BD#1 May 2013 (No OW)
BD#2 November 2013: H said he needed time/space (Possible EA: A conversation with a woman that led to him asking me if I ever experienced anything like that?!)
BD#3: January 2014 ILYBNILWY speech and moved out for a month to live with male friend (still claims no OW)
BD#4: June 2014 (after a period of "coming  together" that was just a touch and go) said, I don't feel about you how I want to but I wish I did." Also wanted to "divorce and date" me. Upon sale of our home, I got my own place to live. H still says no OW.
August 2014: H filed for divorce; still in progress
October 2014: Alienator enters picture; I've been dim/dark since; suspect she's gone now. OW2?OW3? Who knows?

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Re: Take heart! OW is always an affair down. Here is proof
#114: September 03, 2015, 12:58:53 PM
Yeah who holds up who???   :o
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Re: Take heart! OW is always an affair down. Here is proof
#115: September 03, 2015, 01:49:44 PM
I let the popcorn bag go around... ;D.. These are some awesome stories....

Someone like a drink too.. ?? Nachos...?? Anyone... ;D
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Re: Take heart! OW is always an affair down. Here is proof
#116: September 03, 2015, 02:57:37 PM
Yes, some of us were blessed with special boys and even more special girls.

I have given some thought to the way the end of their relationship happens and believe I have put together a possible roadmap explanation
and building off some of the theory of the famous pioneers in MLC. 

About the end of the relationship,

Here are my thoughts on the OP and the possible end of that relationship.

If you are a newbie, stop right here.  Don't read this.  Come back in a year.  Read it then.  You are not ready to even figure this in to all that is going on in your life.

This is just my opinion based on my experience and observation.  It is not gospel.  I could be dead wrong in your situation as one size does not fit all in MLC. 

I believe the OP has characteristics of the parent these people have the big FOO issue with.  It is one of the things that subconsciously draws them to the person. 

After all MLC is a series of patterns and stages, that repeat and repeat until the MLC person finally moves.  Some of the stages are actually repeats of mini stages within the bigger stage.  Some loop back over and over like a car that keeps going around the block because it misses its turn off.  Until the car finally gets it right.

At first the relationship between the MLC man and the OW is electric.  He is fulfilling needs of hers by playing the knight in shining armour or such.  He is saving her.  She adores and worships him. fulfilling a need in him.  He is manic basically.  She feeds that.  MLC man appears to be addicted to her.  He wants to be with her all the time.  He thinks she is fun and free, bohemian, no pressure, no responsibilities.  He will spend and spend on her and himself.  He is desperate to have fun, to run, to begin his new life, to find and solidify a new identity and a new life.  He is going back in time, trying to get it right this time.  He is going deeper and deeper into replay. 

The OW feeds this devolving.  She is happy while he goes back to being a teenager.  She is more and more certain he is staying with her.  Yes, the wife still makes her insecure but she is getting a big return on her investment.  Perhaps he is paying her bills.  Perhaps he has helped her get raises and promotions at work.  Perhaps he is buying her presents or taking her traveling.  Perhaps he is filling her need for a father figure.  Whatever. 

But then over time, things shift and change for the MLC person and the OW.

The MLC man devolves.  He is not able to maintain the manic highs of the beginning.  The depression in him is growing.  He is becoming more forgetful.  Perhaps the money is running low.  The tidy sum he had tucked away is gone likely.  He may have lost his job or he has had a slap on the back of his head in the divorce arena.  The bills are piling up.  Pressure is rising.

In the meantime, the OW is taking over more.  She is tired of hearing about the wife.  She may be tired of being kept in the shadows.  She wants recognition as the victor in the war over H.  She wants to reap the benefits for her investment.  She wants acknowledgement and recognition from his friends and colleagues perhaps.  She may be pushing hard for marriage if Mr. MLC has not yet married her.  Perhaps she wants a house like the wife has.  She wants a return on her investment.

But the MLC man is still devolving.  In some ways she has to take control since he is just not quite capable and sharp right now.  More and more things fall to her to decide and take over responsibility for.  She is taking control of more and more things.  Perhaps it is his business.  Perhaps the checkbook.  Perhaps she tries to micro manage his social life and activities.  She lays down the law about any further ruminating about the ex-wife.  She makes more demands.  She is beginning to like being in the drivers seat.  And he is leaning hard on her.  She is the parent and he is childlike in many ways in his dependence on her.  This is where the addiction is thorough and even visible to others who really know him.  When she controls the decisions she makes naturally benefit her.  She didn't enter into this for nothing.  She wants a return on her investment.

By now, he has devolved about as far as he is going to and found no answers to his pain and confusion.  He yearns to be manic again like in the beginning.  He is restless.  He may be having flashes of anger and frustration with OW in private.  He may be withdrawing in to himself some.

OW knows that something is shifting.  She senses he needs some drama to help him become manic and in effect be able maintain the feed required for him to stay devolved and her in charge.  She casts about for that.  Why not the ex wife?  She was always good for drama to keep him manic.  Or how about an accidental pregnancy?  Or perhaps a new house?  She has to maintain her position.  She can't let him grow or slip all the way in to the big depression stage.   (Not that the OW is aware of this consciously)

But the more he is restrained the more he begins to resent her.  She is now in full parent mood.  Something inside him wants to learn and grow.  The hole inside him is not filled any longer by OW.  He is frustrated.  He withdraws some.  (Just like he did with the wife in the lead up stage 1 of MLC)

Frustration makes him angry.  (Ladies, remember the anger stage?)  Anger makes him mean.  But OW is also mad.  This is not what she bargained for.  She likes being in control.  She likes him dependent on her.  She is not supposed to be treated like the wife was after all she is special.  She is not (insert adjectives used to describe the wife at the beginning of the affair.)  She either gets him under control or its war.

You see, I think it is probable that these people go through a mini version of the first two stages in the lead up to the possible end of the Replay stage and the end of the OW relationship.  Then just as they did with us, they face a fork in the road.  One fork is a left and on to OW2, 3, 4 or back to OW1 for a repeat.  The other is on to depression.  Which way they go, is the question.  If he is ready to face the Foo issues he has recreated in his life with OW, then he is out.  If not, he recreates it all over again and circles back

For example, my ex has a crazy mother.  She worships him and treats him as her husband.  She is narcissistic, controlling, manipulative, and bossy.  She is also big in the area of theatrical gestures.  Once when his dad tried to leave, she threw herself on to the ground behind his car.  She was almost run over.  She has a history of suicide attempts and serious depression as well.  She is delusional and controlling in that she denied being pregnant until she went into labor with him in the chair at home.  Her 14 year old daughter had to drive her to the hospital.  By the time they arrived she was crowning and still denying that she was pregnant.  When they brought the baby home, she let the daughters care for him while she lay in bed receiving visitors telling her how brave and incredible she was to go through something like that.  She tells that story at every family gathering. 

I believe he finally found a girl who would act like his mother.  She has already covered many of the characteristics from suicide attempts to yelling, screaming, swearing, playing the victim, etc.  Now as I understand it she is very controlling and has taken over everything from living arrangements to what he is allowed to spend at the store to what music he is allowed to listen to and how long he can spend talking with other women either in his office or on the internet. 

See the circles and repeating patterns?  If they had to go through denial and anger with us, then why not with the OW but on a much more condensed time frame naturally. 

Best LP

Now I am off to home to take some medication as I have a miserable migraine.  To those I promised to answer questions, I will try to get back to you all tonight but I am just not able to at the present. 
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Re: Take heart! OW is always an affair down. Here is proof
#117: September 03, 2015, 03:02:44 PM
ONE IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE IS:

NO WHERE IN THAT WHOLE DISCUSSION IS THE WIFE DOING ANYTHING OTHER THAN TAKING CARE OF HER OWN SANDBOX AND MINDING HERSELF AND HER RESPONSIBILITIES AND HER FUTURE.
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Re: Take heart! OW is always an affair down. Here is proof
#118: September 03, 2015, 03:28:37 PM
 This is very well explained and I think you are on the right track and actually nailed it 100% ..

 I mean however do you explain the erratic behavior in the beginning with moving out and dropping everything for this ??

 especially with mine for example: he dropped the bomb on me 4 months ago and already signed a legal separation agreement ( forced me into doing this ) and pretty much will divorce me next year -unless something happens within the next six months that she is putting pressure on him ..

 The OW  in my case is almost 10 years younger, the same career but in a different country (army,  they have met while he was there for four months with his job in the army ), As far as I know was raised by a single mother and no siblings...  her father was out of the picture. sure she definitely needs a father figure and male encouragement which mine totally provides ..

 I have overheard many phone conversations (yes I snooped and in my case helped detach faster although it hurt bad of course)  where he had to encourage her and build her up .. He told her that it was not the way she was feeling meaning " no you are doing a great job ,don't put yourself down, you are an awesome soldier " etc..  So clearly they both like that department because he needs a lot of attention apparently too ..

 I have found two interviews with her so she definitely is one that likes the spotlight and I think she has histrionic personality disorder ..  She is doing hip-hop dancing in a group for competition so again there's the spotlight and the acknowledgment ..  According to my husband she is very funny ..

 As for who of his parents he is re-creating that story in my case with-unfortunately I do not know ..

 He moved out of the house into his own apartment pretty much as soon as we moved into the new state due to military orders and the first 11 days, I was witness to the entire thing ..now I only get to see him  when he sees the children and picks them up and that is it .  Because every time he was here it was either talk about the lawyer or about him wanting a divorce and not coming ever back ..
 so the whole thing pretty much only works online through what's app, face time and Skype ..
Because she needs to stay in her country and they only see each other during vacation and flying back-and-forth ..

 So he does not move in with her in a classical situation. I think even if she was here he wouldn't do that either due to the military code ..  It would be totally a secret thing .so I'm wondering with this emotional affair and physical affair, how long in my case it would last..? until it Wears off...due to the fact that they do not have a real interaction ,so I think it might drag a little bit longer -unless it is the same thing that  she finally makes pressures for him to show a commitment: maybe I'm social media ...

or say something that pressures him in any shape or form? or because by the time we will be divorced and she is all the way overseas, it might be even faster.. because she might start to doubt his Fidelity! because that is what he did with her on me and because she cannot see him all the time and build that trust and so she might destroy herself .. 

I am pretty sure she cheats over there with other people on him as well .so I think finally what will happen is she is not sure anymore if he's honest And faithful..

 But I agree 100% with what you wrote that this is the dynamics roughly shaped in pretty much 90% of the MLC cases ..
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Re: Take heart! OW is always an affair down. Here is proof
#119: September 03, 2015, 03:43:22 PM
Threads like these always fill right up! Pass the popcorn...and where do I begin?  ;D

My MLCer told me at BD that OW is the female version of him. :o I'm not so sure he had that quite right because the description I was told about her is that she is obnoxious, controlling, and psychotic. That's not him, even on a bad day. What I think he was referring to is that she was willing to go to his blood and gore movies, listen to his hip hop and rap, and eat Chinese food with him....oh, and must not forget to mention SHE likes tequila....and for good measure, she's kinky in bed! ::) I compromised on plenty of things, and never once did he complain about what I did or didn't do with him, but I guess those few things made her his twin.  ::)

She also came on to him at just the right time when he was feeling very depressed. In just a few short weeks of being with her, he took up smoking...and drinking...and partying with 20-somethings. He always told me he was too old to go back to that sh!t anymore. Then again, he always told me he was too old to meet up with anyone new and I'd have him for life. :-\

The last time he attempted to stay overnight with me, back in Feb of this year, ended in her showing up at 9pm at his parents' house where he was supposed to be staying the night. That got his phone monitored for several weeks, plus forced him to begin moving his belongings out and get his address changed. I suspect OW gave him the ultimatum that those things needed to be done ASAP to "fix" what he had done wrong.

The last report I heard about the two of them is that they are not well liked in the little town they moved to....where they are living "happily ever after" in a former funeral home.  :o There is garbage all over the yard and frequent screaming matches between the two of them on the front lawn.

What is particularly interesting to me is the fact that this woman has the same name as his S20's mom, and has the same big red hair like S20's mom had back then, as well as the same body shape/size. The controlling things OW has done read direct from his own mother's playbook, although his mother can not stand her...at all. They are like gas and matches. So, his OW is a cross between his mother and his girlfriend when he was 20....both of whom he has repeatedly told me he hates.

You can't make this sh!t up!
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