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#50: September 25, 2014, 09:58:05 PM
Wow, I started this thread more than 2 years ago already. I am constantly amazed at how similar all our stories are. I loved the stages that JD posted. I certainly saw my progression through most of them. I don't know if I will ever get to the forgiveness stage, I am not a very forgiving person. I also still harbour a lot of resentment toward my exH. I believe in Karma, and justice and I just don't think the karma bus has come along for him yet. My fiancee told me something once that really stuck with me as I moved through the final stages. He told me that my ex doesn't care if I am mad at him, I am not his problem anymore. The only person that knows that I am mad is ME and how is living with the toxic negative feelings going to make me better? I really thought about that and it made a lot of sense to me. I am much farther along than I was even one year ago. Will I ever forgive my exH? I doubt it, I just know that I am that kind of person.
I am happier than I have ever been. I am over 5 years post BD, 3 years divorced and soon to be married to the best guy I have ever met. I have experienced love that never existed with my exh. I am amazed daily at how much my guy is actually "interested" in the stuff I do and what I am thinking. We are true partners.
 While BD and MLC was the most excruciating thing I have ever experienced, I would do it all again if I knew I would be the person I am now and how great my life is. There really is happiness for the LBS at the end of this ordeal.
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Re: LBS Script
#51: September 25, 2014, 09:59:49 PM
There should be a like button!

Congratulations ember!

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Re: LBS Script
#52: September 25, 2014, 10:02:43 PM
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#53: September 25, 2014, 11:32:08 PM
My BD was 15 months ago .... I have been bouncing between stage 3, 4 and 5.  Since hearing my H is dying of cancer...I cannot get past hating the OW.  No matter how much material I have read, I still believe if she had not butted in, H would still be here (he was never a drinker, never did drugs, not into computers) so pretty sure he would have been a MLC still living here.   Miserable he would be, but still here. 

I have days where I hate him, I miss him, I miss the companionship...  I doubt I will ever get past the resentment I have to OW. 
Our paths cross occasionally due to our dog showing hobby...so I will never be rid of her face.

I will be happy when I can finally move on to stages 6 and beyond.  I envy those LBS here on the forum that have managed that.

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Re: LBS Script
#54: September 25, 2014, 11:43:06 PM
Congratulations Ember.  I wish you continued, everlasting happiness, joy and contentment. 

I want to applaud you on admitting that you feel no "forgiveness" for your X-h.  That takes courage as there seems to be a great need amongst LBS to be seen as loving, caring, forgiving people.  I honestly didn't worry too much about forgiveness.  I was surprised to discover that I was not as "forgiving" as I had always believed I was, hehehe.  Of course, I can honestly say, I had never been betrayed, lied to, cheated on and abandoned by anyone before.  It probably shouldn't have been a surprise, that forgiveness was not going to be handed out like candy.

People seem to be in a great hurry to pronounce their "forgiveness" for their MLC.  A bit amusing actually, as I really don't think the average MLCer could give two hoots, if we forgive them or not... AT LEAST not early in this. 

I do understand that forgiveness is for us.  I truly do.  I also discovered that for my own RECOVERY, I had to find FORGIVENESS in my heart.  The crimes though were very serious ones, at least to me they were.  Loyalty and honour, play a huge part in my mental, emotional, makeup.  In my family, there was no greater crime then being disloyal.  In order to maintain your honour, being loyal to those you loved and respected, were part and package.

I have learned though, that my h's step out of grace, loss of loyalty to his family and me, forsaking what had been a very honourable life, was and is, his loss.  Yes, I will always "question" and will never totally hand over my "trust" to him or anybody for that matter, ever again, but I can live with that.  I think in many ways, my expectations regarding loyalty, respect, honour, were perhaps a bit too high and quite honestly, nobody is responsible for my EXPECTATIONS.  Those are mine, totally.  I understand that now. 

Good to hear from you ember.  Your honesty is so appreciated.  Glad you have found happiness.  It's a proper thing.

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Re: LBS Script
#55: September 26, 2014, 12:19:07 AM
So very pleased for you ember

You really have your 'happy Ever After'

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#56: September 26, 2014, 02:48:09 AM
Ember, I was reading some of your past posts and struck by something you wrote about a year ago.

"Sadly, even though I am in love with my new man, there is a slight numbing quality to it. It's hard to explain. Almost like im afraid to give myself to him completely, or like I have built a wall around my heart to protect it. Perhaps with time. Im afraid that I will never completely get over my exH and that I will forever be this numb, incomplete person.
I am enjoying my life immensely, our health is good, my kids are happy, our finances are great, we travel, treat ourselves and our house is full of love.
There is life after MLC but im not sure if it ever completely goes away."


I am now three years in and what you wrote above is where I find myself. Do you ever completely feel healed? Does the numbness dissipate?
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Re: LBS Script
#57: September 26, 2014, 03:06:54 AM

"Sadly, even though I am in love with my new man, there is a slight numbing quality to it. It's hard to explain. Almost like im afraid to give myself to him completely, or like I have built a wall around my heart to protect it. Perhaps with time. Im afraid that I will never completely get over my exH and that I will forever be this numb, incomplete person.
I am enjoying my life immensely, our health is good, my kids are happy, our finances are great, we travel, treat ourselves and our house is full of love.
There is life after MLC but im not sure if it ever completely goes away."



Wow...I could have wrote this word for word.  My boyfriend is moving in this week.  I have more fun with him then I ever did with husband.  We have way more in common.  He listens to me and he has stuck by my side through all this MLC craziness and has held me for hours/days/weeks/months while I cried buckets of tears.  The house/yard looks better than it ever did, I just bought a new car and we are planning our dream vacation.  I have reconnected with many friends and family. 

My heart still aches for my husband.  With husband, I still use to get butterflies after 28+ years.  I love my boyfriend, I really do.  I'm so much happier when he is around.  It just, I don't think I will ever completely give myself over to anybody.  The pain was so great (and unexpected) when husband walked out that door.  I just don't think I could survive pain like that again. 

So I enjoy each day as it comes, but I feel that I carry a certain amount of heaviness that will be with me always.
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#58: September 26, 2014, 05:42:11 AM
I would not like to be spoiler or devil advocate, but being in fresh relationship is totally different then being in marriage. Incomparable for so many reasons. After 10 years, maybe, not even then, having kids, rise them being in good and bad. Relationship is free of all that.
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#59: September 26, 2014, 06:13:30 AM
Of course it's different Albatross.  So is reconciliation, and I am NOT anti-standing, but not all are wired that way.  But even given that, stayed would not feel the anger and resentment she STILL carries if he had not done what he did.  The bottom line is we will NEVER know what our marriages might have been if not for the pain of MLC.  But, moving on to a new R CAN be good.  I am with ember.  My H never loved me like my new fiancĂ©e does.  Never, I know that, and I also know that IF he had, he could never have left the way he did.  And I know that because even in the early stages, NG works WITH me.  He doesn't force me to change, or suck it up, or bury it.  We have been to counseling, mostly for my issues, but also kid things, and we considered breaking up, and when we did, we went back to counseling, so we could both know we were doing it for the right reasons and that we would both leave better people.  I had a two-year FWB relationship, also, and in his own way, even he loved me more than H did.  We are still friends.  NG is okay with it, because he knows that I would never have been healthy enough without him to be ready for a real R with NG. 

But, that said, the LBS script and healing path is VERY different for a stander than a person who moves on, and in a way, once a stander rethinks standing and decides, or slowly slides into moving on in new R's the healing reverts almost back to the beginning.  When you heal to stand, you come here and you obey the unconditionals, you become the lighthouse, you hold onto the idea that there is no other person for you but your spouse.  No matter what anyone says, you have limited your growth, and your spouse has not.  Think about it, objectively.  We can argue that their growth is devastating, and harmful, but as anyone in the military will tell you, sometimes you have to break a person before you can build them back up.  Our spouses broke themselves and they are rebuilding, with drugs, OPs, crazy hobbies, whatever, they are TRYING to find SOMETHING.  And, as a stander, it is your hope that what they find at the end of the tunnel, is YOU, and they are going to rebuild a new person, for better, or worse...

A stander knows who they think they are, where they belong, and who they want to be with, all the GALing in the world will seldom make a stander do something rash, like seek a new career, move across the country, or, of course, date, to see themselves in a different way.  Only when you abandon the stand do you have the freedom to ditch the unconditionals and truly look at your spouse and M in a negative light, and I mean that, not honest, but negative.  If H had never left, I would continue to look at him and our M in a positive or honest light.  I am not perfect, he was not perfect, but I thought we worked.  And as a stander, I could take off the rose-colored glasses, and look at him more honestly.  But, only in abandoning the stand did I cast off that and look at his negatives.  Not that I dwell on them any longer, but he actually left a lot to be desired, and I could be appreciated a LOT more.  And that process, of finding my TRUE self, under the blame and shame and utter devastation, IS HARD, and so totally different. 

And then, once you do that and seek your true ALONE person, not HIS wife, THEIR mother, that person you THOUGHT you would be forever, you figure out who YOU are, and you seek to maybe find another to share your life with, it starts all over.  WHO AM I IN A NEW R?  What does a DIFFERENT R look like?  What are my new boundaries, did I ever have boundaries, what is my role, and how much baggage and I STILL carrying from my old M?  And THAT is a whole 'nother heap o healing...  I truly wish I knew more people on that path--it's awfully lonely, and just like we come here after the abandonment, it feels good to walk the same path with others, but there are so few of us who brave it again--consciously, after abandonment...  Love and light, ll

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