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#10: April 01, 2013, 11:25:33 PM
Hello Duthla, it is called Charging Neutral and here is the link http://www.break-free-from-the-affair.com/articlescharging_neutral.htm  , it take a bit of time getting the hand of it, but it is SO EFFECTIVE.  I love it, I find it handy in ANY situation when I need to STATE something, even sales clerks.  hehehe. 

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Re: Ask a Mentor 3
#11: April 02, 2013, 03:10:24 AM
http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=1149.msg177143#msg177143

If you scroll down to post #7, there's some more charging neutral information on there too.
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Re: Ask a Mentor 3
#12: April 02, 2013, 09:37:51 AM
Thanks stayed and kikki! Much appreciated! :)
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#13: April 02, 2013, 09:41:06 AM
Who ever thought they would find themselves here?  Charging neutral!  Let go!  Detach!  Pleasant but firm!  UGHHHHHHHH!

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Re: Ask a Mentor 3
#14: April 09, 2013, 06:26:53 AM
To anyone with prior experience, I have a question about beginning the legal separation process.  My W has retained the services of a lawyer and put together a boilerplate, cookie-cutter separation agreement (everything split 50/50, including custody, house, assets).  When I reviewed this document a couple months back, I told my W "no f@#$ing way" I was agreeing to this!  I felt that we were so far apart on this!  I've had my life ripped apart and the children are suffering immensely from her actions and selfishness and W wants to make this as simple as possible to alleviate her pain and suffering!  I don't think so!  >:(

Last week I received basically the same letter from her lawyer again about meeting to discuss the separation of assets.  I have asked my W numerous time to openly explain to our D's what she is doing and why.  I understanding W can't explain why (MLC) but she keeps stalling to do this.  I want my D's to hear from W why she is planning on working in another state when she states the the children are her most important thing.

I particularly don't want to begin the legal process, because I feel in my heart deep down that once I begin this legal proceeding, I will quickly make it a business transaction, taking all the emotions out and thus my feelings for my W will dissolve rapidly.  I do believe that I will use every means possible to get what legally I deserve, not for greed but if this is how she wants to move forward, then there will be a price to pay for the actions.

My question is should I wait for W to discuss the plans with my D's proving that she truly wants to move things in this direction before agreeing to meeting with lawyers to discuss the separation.  Things around our house are amicable but I try to be as far away as possible during non-family time (dinners, activities).  I feel this way W will be the one initiating things if she truly wants to proceed that way.  There are signs that she may be blackmailed and manipulated by OM to speed up the process.  Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated and here's to everyone coming out of this period in their lives in a better place!  :) 
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Re: Ask a Mentor 3
#15: April 09, 2013, 06:57:16 AM
To anyone with prior experience, I have a question about beginning the legal separation process.  My W has retained the services of a lawyer and put together a boilerplate, cookie-cutter separation agreement (everything split 50/50, including custody, house, assets).  When I reviewed this document a couple months back, I told my W "no f@#$ing way" I was agreeing to this!  I felt that we were so far apart on this!  I've had my life ripped apart and the children are suffering immensely from her actions and selfishness and W wants to make this as simple as possible to alleviate her pain and suffering!  I don't think so!  >:(

I would first and foremost get the advice of a lawyer on the agreement, and then retain him or her once things start rolling, if you feel that is in our best interest.  I would guard you from thinking the legal system will help make you and your girls emotionally whole from this, that is not its job, but usually there is a degree of feeling better once you are represented.  I feel we don't realize the intensity of the anxiety we experience waiting for the D shoe to drop until we don't have it anymore.  Plus, if your MLCer has no financial integrity, this can help protect your family's assets. 

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Last week I received basically the same letter from her lawyer again about meeting to discuss the separation of assets.  I have asked my W numerous time to openly explain to our D's what she is doing and why.  I understanding W can't explain why (MLC) but she keeps stalling to do this.  I want my D's to hear from W why she is planning on working in another state when she states the the children are her most important thing.

She is stalling because that's what MLCers do, but I don't think forcing it will have the effect you hope it will.  She has no remorse right now, maybe not even overt guilt, so telling your girls something from her"MLC brain" about how she's going off to be happy without them will probably only serve to hurt them more and do nothing for her or her crisis.  My advice would be to let this be.

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I particularly don't want to begin the legal process, because I feel in my heart deep down that once I begin this legal proceeding, I will quickly make it a business transaction, taking all the emotions out and thus my feelings for my W will dissolve rapidly.  I do believe that I will use every means possible to get what legally I deserve, not for greed but if this is how she wants to move forward, then there will be a price to pay for the actions.

It will and it won't.  I've found more detachment since my H filed and I hired representation.  I've benefited from having it in place because he's made bad financial moves since then that I won't be held accountable for.  And it is, for the most part, a business transaction - I can attest that the emotions I do have are very separate and non-dependent on whether or marriage is legally ended or not.  The benefits, for me, emotionally, have outweighed the negatives, and still not ended my stand.  My L did explain to me that the courts aim to make things equitable, not punish my H, so keep in mind that you can request what you want, but that's probably more of a starting point in negotiating than where it may end up.

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My question is should I wait for W to discuss the plans with my D's proving that she truly wants to move things in this direction before agreeing to meeting with lawyers to discuss the separation.  Things around our house are amicable but I try to be as far away as possible during non-family time (dinners, activities).  I feel this way W will be the one initiating things if she truly wants to proceed that way.  There are signs that she may be blackmailed and manipulated by OM to speed up the process.  Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated and here's to everyone coming out of this period in their lives in a better place!  :)

No doubt in my mind OM is steering the ship, and that's probably a big reason she doesn't want to make the commitment verbally to the girls.  My H's OW is the one who forced him to file, too.  It was 14 months post BD, he signed the papers on a day she was in town (and probably with him), even though he had supposedly had this L on retainer for over a month and was hardcore stalling picking up the information he needed from our home in order to get the ball rolling.  Since I delivered the Discovery paperwork in November, there has been no movement in my case (in my state, it only takes 60 days to get in front of a judge).  His mail still comes here - even new stuff, though he doesn't pick it up.  They are just broken, controlled puppets at this point, who are afraid of pulling the plug for good. 

My advice, and I have no children so this just comes from a place of gut feeling - consult an L to know what to expect should things move forward, keep doing the great job you're doing for all of your girls (including your W, who you are handling remarkably by giving her the space she needs), and trust the process with what she lets the girls know - don't hold it over her head unless you want it to be uglier.  That remorse that you're looking for, if it is going to come, will be down the road.  {{{hugs}}}
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Re: Ask a Mentor 3
#16: April 09, 2013, 07:14:50 AM
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I particularly don't want to begin the legal process, because I feel in my heart deep down that once I begin this legal proceeding, I will quickly make it a business transaction, taking all the emotions out and thus my feelings for my W will dissolve rapidly.  I do believe that I will use every means possible to get what legally I deserve, not for greed but if this is how she wants to move forward, then there will be a price to pay for the actions.

Our legal separation was initiated Sept 2010 and finalized Nov 2011. I tried to make the process as lengthy as possible but he never waivered once. This is absolutely what he wanted and to this date he has never mentioned it but he was totally efficient at making all the transfers etc. The whole time was very painful.

I did have to think about it as a business transaction but my feelings have never dissolved for my husband. I think it must be very hard when the person doing the leaving also wants 50% of everything...there were times I was aghast that my husband would be so cold and calculating, he was the one who wanted out, I never and still do not.

Each person will have their own line in the sand for what they will and will not tolerate. Since in my heart, I know that nothing can separate what God has joined, we are one flesh and no legal document can change that. And there is no where on earth that he can run to that will change that. He gets what he wanted, but I don't see that it brought him any real happiness. It did give me the security I needed to plan my life.
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Re: Ask a Mentor 3
#17: April 25, 2013, 06:06:23 PM
I have a question : Why they (MLCER) doesn't want to hurt the (OP) but capable of continuing to hurt the (LBS)? This made me sick.
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Re: Ask a Mentor 3
#18: April 25, 2013, 06:10:32 PM
The MLCer has made the LBS the enemy, projecting all of their self-hatred and anger onto us.  The OP validates this new, lower version of themselves.  That's the psychological take.  Chemically there's support for this, too.  But this does little for our own emotional well being.  Detach, try not to take any of it personally (easier said than done, I know). 
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#19: April 25, 2013, 06:23:31 PM
Thanks R2T, sometimes I forget he is in MLC and you are sooo right not take this personally.My MLCER wants to be responsible to his OW's life and irresponsible to me..this man don't care what will happen to his real and legal family, only worries about the situation of his "substitute family" (I wish  I am wrong)...((((Hugs)))
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