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MLC Monster The live in MLCers
OP: May 29, 2014, 01:06:46 PM
I understand we are in the minority where the MLCer stays at home throughout so I thought I would start a place for those with live ins to discuss the different ways in which we have to go about things.

I also thought there was perhaps a few similarities in those who never leave the home. I also think that never leaving prolongs things for them and for us.

There is also very little information for those who live in, the articles are written from RCR whose husband left, therefore there is little information that we can refer to, so make our own!

I haven't got enough time right now to put down exactly what I was thinking about, but perhaps others can start things too.

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Re: The live in MLCers
#1: May 29, 2014, 01:29:58 PM
Latching on................

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Re: The live in MLCers
#2: May 29, 2014, 02:50:24 PM
wish this was started while my h was still at home hewas a live in for 18 months then now seems to be  a vanisher and has hd a few touch and goes i think but monstered quite a lot whilst at home .  if i ad found this earlier i may have done things differently but not sure it would have mattered , will still read and see

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Re: The live in MLCers
#3: May 29, 2014, 03:11:18 PM
What a subject I could write a book on this and go on and on........ but needless to say I am now divorced, the house is in the process of being sold and guess what she is still here. she monsters all the time, pushes my buttons but if I stand my ground or retaliate she calls the cops (this has been done a couple of time).

I would not recommend  having a living MLC'er, I have seen a lot and heard a lot, and my sanity has been pushed to the limit. Yes a lot of what I have seen has been flaunted in my face but it will soon come to an end. If you prepared to accept a livin MLC'er be prepared to be taken to hell and back.

If I had my time again one of us would have gone and it wouldn't have been me.

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Re: The live in MLCers
#4: May 29, 2014, 03:31:04 PM
My H has been home the entire time - 17 months post BD. He leaves most weekends to see the OW. We do not discuss his 'fantasy' life. He told me in November that he wanted to be roommates. In February he tells me to get the house appraised - I started the process of refinancing the house but when it got closer to happening H said that he wouldn't sign off on it because he didn't trust me to not throw him out! He wanted to continue living here after I cashed him out until he found something he liked - this would never happen. I don't my H leaving so I have changed my attitude about it.

I am not happy with the current living arrangements but I can't legally throw him out. I keep thinking that the OW will pressure him to move - she can't be happy about him living with me. I am happily detaching more and more and have given myself a few more months before thinking about the next step. I would move if he was able to cash me out but that won't happen either. I honestly think that H thinks that if we aren't living together I would find someone else - he is probably right.

Things have been relatively calm at home. I think on some level H is trying to be respectful and keep his 2 lives separate - he just doesn't understand how painful it is to watch. I really don't need a front row center seat for the MLC show.
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#5: May 29, 2014, 04:28:22 PM
Thanks for starting this thread Superdog, great idea for all the live-in MLC/LBS's.

I am eight months after BD.  H has never left.  He did "threaten" a few times when in monster but never did anything.  He tried very hard to get me to move by trying to convince me I was crazy and needed "lots of professional help"

H has been very difficult to live with at times.  The first five months were hell.  He was in monster for a lot of it and cut me off financially leaving a small allowance for food and fuel for the car - NOTHING else.  This has been his main focus rather than an OW.  The finances remain like that and I don't have a job at the moment and four teenage kids to support.

He has been having an EA with a woman at work but denies it.  I have seen his text messages, it is definitely an affair.  He is so secretive, he sees her at lunch and maybe leaves work early - I don't know.  I stopped looking at his phone or asking questions.  It's too hard when they live with you to cope if you constantly know all the details.

He is jealous of me trying to get a life and having my own friends.  He is trying desperately to make his own friends but I suppose a middle aged man trying to get along with younger people is not a good look.  He has been to a couple of parties with younger people, I can only imagine he didn't really have much fun.  He takes his sleeping bag with him :o  Not too sure about that one.

He is much calmer since I stopped reacting and seems "happy" to stay at home.  He is really hard to read because his mask is so thick.  He tries to be best friends with the kids but has backed off from this lately, I think it's too much for his brain to cope with.

Most of the time now he is acting fairly normally.  Cracks appear quite often and smaller episodes of monster occur.  We move house next week and he is coming too, but having his own room at his request.  He says we are not separated yet and will let me know when we are ::) ???  He sees the move as a step to getting separated????  At least this is the way he thinks he sees it.

The psychologist thinks he will stay home because he is a really big conflict avoid-er and cannot sustain an affair relationship for too long because of this.  He does not want another woman, in the psychologist's opinion, just validation from another woman that he is attractive and needs to hear how wonderful he is from her.  This is the main difference about the stay at home MLCer - conflict avoidance apparently is a big deal.


For me, because he is at home I have made a time limit for all of this.  I refuse to live for several years with a man who thinks he wants to be with someone else.  It is not healthy for me or our children to see this as normal.  They are also waiting for H to come through the tunnel but watching him slowly destroy the family is too difficult so a time limit is in place.

I have also been told H will probably commit suicide if I leave him - I think that's putting a big ask on me and really not a fair place to be in.  It is not my crisis, it's his.  He makes the choices on how he lives his life or not, it is not my decision.  I can only control me and try to keep the family as happy as possible as we try to get through this mess.

H is definitely trying to make the whole thing my fault.  It's the only way he can live with us and himself.  He doesn't blame me as much as during the first few months, but will not have changed his mind and cannot see anything wrong with himself at all, although he has admitted in the first weeks that there was something wrong with him, I don't think he would admit to this anymore.

He definitely lives in fantasy land and believes that happiness is somewhere else but at home, but will not move out.  Also paranoid about anyone finding out and puts on a huge act for outsiders and at work.
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Re: The live in MLCers
#6: May 29, 2014, 05:18:19 PM

The psychologist thinks he will stay home because he is a really big conflict avoid-er and cannot sustain an affair relationship for too long because of this.  He does not want another woman, in the psychologist's opinion, just validation from another woman that he is attractive and needs to hear how wonderful he is from her.  This is the main difference about the stay at home MLCer - conflict avoidance apparently is a big deal.



That is interesting ......... I can see my H in there. I never realized before what a big conflict avoider he is.
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Re: The live in MLCers
#7: May 30, 2014, 12:07:27 AM
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My H has been home the entire time - 17 months post BD. He leaves most weekends to see the OW. We do not discuss his 'fantasy' life. He told me in November that he wanted to be roommates. In February he tells me to get the house appraised - I started the process of refinancing the house but when it got closer to happening H said that he wouldn't sign off on it because he didn't trust me to not throw him out! He wanted to continue living here after I cashed him out until he found something he liked - this would never happen. I don't my H leaving so I have changed my attitude about it.

I am not happy with the current living arrangements but I can't legally throw him out. I keep thinking that the OW will pressure him to move - she can't be happy about him living with me. I am happily detaching more and more and have given myself a few more months before thinking about the next step. I would move if he was able to cash me out but that won't happen either. I honestly think that H thinks that if we aren't living together I would find someone else - he is probably right.
Things have been relatively calm at home. I think on some level H is trying to be respectful and keep his 2 lives separate - he just doesn't understand how painful it is to watch. I really don't need a front row center seat for the MLC show.

xW sleeps at OM Friday & Saturday night but comes home during the day. As detached as I am I still feel the pain.

We are divorced our house is sold but she still lives here as if we are in the separation phase, she acts as though nothing has changed. All her money from the house sale is safe as ordered by the courts, she will be moving to her mother’s house, she can go now but she won't.

I can't legally throw her out. when I asked her to leave when the divorce became final she said she had to stay here so she could take better care of D12.

My divorce process has taken 2 1/2 years she accused me of dragging it out when it was really her doing. She is a high energy replayer, the start of the divorce process  kick started her into some antics I don't want to recall, I have had the worst and most close up seat possible to her MLC horror show.

Six  weeks and counting down to when the house sale goes through and I complete on my new house.

Enough is enough for me.

Lanzo

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Re: The live in MLCers
#8: May 30, 2014, 04:38:04 AM
See  we are a whole different breed of LBS.

So my MLcer has been home with the exception of 5 months since July 2009. Coming up for 5 years. He threatened and threatened to move out, arranged a rental for 6 months and I had to literally throw him out the door, when I did he keep coming back just like the boomerang scenario. He never left us alone for 5 minutes.

One of the biggest problems for me is the whole detachment issue. They just won't let you detach. As hard as you try to emotionally detach, there mere presence in your living quarters prevent you from not being involved in some way.

Even when they direct things towards your children, you cannot avoid being brought into it even from the children's perspective. I hear it all the time what daddy has done now.

My h always denied his affair, still to this day they are just friends. They are NOT just friends. It's an EA at the very least. To be honest I don't care, an affair is an affair end of, the actions and result is the same.

My h always said he had no intention of ending the marriage. I accused him of being gutless in not telling me he wanted out, to which he replied he didn't want out. Then he obviously got in deep with the EA and it all became about how horrible I was etc etc.

I battled long and weary with him, I let him away with nothing. We had major conflict at the start of all this.  Our home was a war zone. He still never left.

When he was away he couldn't have been nicer to everyone, he took me on dates etc, then when he moved back in it was back to usual MLC behaviour. I know for a fact that OW threatened not to see him again after I called her out for stirring something and he confronted her. She is very jealous of me. He physical appearance has even changed to be more like me, which freaks me out, however.

I completely concur with the conflict avoidance, my h is the biggest one going. Even if you have a difference of opinion on anything he accuses you of having an argument. His idea of an argument and mine are opposite ends of the spectrum.

I would like to know a little bit more about how this means they cannot sustain an affair relationship?

On the whole we are now two people who live in the same house. I have told him I accept my husband left me, fine and I am getting on with my life and moving on. He says he can see that, but my husband is still the in front of me. I beg to differ !!!!

I don't care anymore where he is or what he does. His life is of no interest to me anymore. It doesn't look like much fun to me from where I am standing, but then I know as he has told me that the world outside get his mask. He cannot keep that up forever.

The live in I believe has a lot to do with co dependence. I am still the mother to whom he is attached. Unless he can se me as the person I really am, then he can never be a true independent from me. That showed in his inability to live alone.

I do nothing for him, and I am not here for him on any level. I refuse to be friends with someone I cannot trust. He is just a house fixture I have to walk around. This will not go on forever and I will make a move when I know my job is more secure.

I do care about what happens to him, but have learned to see him as someone I once knew.

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Re: The live in MLCers
#9: May 30, 2014, 05:26:32 AM
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There is also very little information for those who live in, the articles are written from RCR whose husband left, therefore there is little information that we can refer to, so make our own!

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One of the biggest problems for me is the whole detachment issue. They just won't let you detach. As hard as you try to emotionally detach, there mere presence in your living quarters prevent you from not being involved in some way.

My MLCer is now 15 months in and still at home. He works from home and so I see him all hours on school holidays unless he takes OW and her children away.

I disagree to a certain degree with the comments above. The articles do talk about the MLCer who has gone but the advice about detachment, dark,dim, rule of 3 etc....... are still extremely valid and useful.

I am relatively detached from my H now and am less and less interested in what he is doing. He too has stated that he doesn't want a divorce but still seeing OW and still very much in escape and avoid.
I think you can become detached and live your life for you and be less and less affected by his actions - but that is why the advice about work, hobbies and living as though they are not coming back, apply to us even more than to those whose MLCers have left.

Re conflict avoidance - there is something in that but I do not think it is  typical of a stay at home MLCer. A lot of conflict avoiders will run from the home and to the OW because they mistakenly think that it is the LBS that causes the conflict. My H is probably avoiding conflict more than he did. He never used to be a conflict avoider.  I was the conflict avoider and whenever he got cross would try and calm it all down.

But then in the early days after BD I was the angry one- I shouted and screamed, I did everything I could to force him out.

And then I read a sentence from an ex MLCer which said " When my wife stopped reacting, I started thinking..." and from RCR -" Act with grace and dignity - remember Anne Boleyn - heads will roll."

I am lucky I guess in that I chose early on in the crisis, when I realised that my ability to do my job was at stake (no threat from management btw) to look after me. I was fed up of crying all the time, I was exhausted and in need of guidance because he refused to leave. So I ended up a blob on the floor of the alternative health centre and was gently strong-armed by this woman who became my therapist. All she has done is help me work on me and then I joined the dots with the articles and other books including the Drama Triangle by Catherine Holden.

I learned to stop reacting to anything he did.  I also remembered something my mother said when I was  a new mother - " Win the war and lose a few battles on the way. Valour was never won by anger"

I have not mentioned the R at all since New Year.
I learned a new way of speaking  - one word "uhuh." This can be said in a variety of tones and works wonders in the conversations. When H starts rambling on and tries to bring up anything vaguely with the R, I say a mixture of the following " It's interesting that you think that H or what makes you think that H? and/or I'm sorry you feel that way but you know it's not true. "

I have a phrase book of just a few phrases and I have stuck to it like glue. It helps me be responsive rather than reactionary.

Now H is still at home, he works from home so when I am at home in holidays it is 24/7. I now choose whether to engage in conversation with him.

It must be working because H asked our bookkeeper " Do you talk to SnD?"
"Yes"
"What about?"
"Children, work, holidays and you occasionally"
" How is SnD - how does she feel?"
" How do you think she is feeling?"
Silence.
He has asked again yesterday and this time BK said " I don't know"

It is clear he can no longer read me and therefore by default I am getting better at detachment.

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See  we are a whole different breed of LBS.

I agree - we are a different breed and finding ourselves facing the MLCer daily is exhausting but I think we are the ones who can establish a line of communication that touch and goers can't.
And I think we can become stronger sooner because we have to really learn how to build our own lives in spite of the MLCer trying to pull us back in.
I think we also learn to recognise the fishbait/ hoovering attempts.
I think we also learn how not to talk about R and when to simply withdraw which paves the way for setting boundaries and increasing your ability to detach.

I agree with the co-dependence bit and realised that we were both co-dependent. I am learning not to be and he is finding that somewhat disconcerting,  for when I do something that I used to talk to him about , he will make a childish comment about how I don't need his opinion. I just smile and say "You're right H. I don't. "




 
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