[Dji76]

Exactly my point Mad. Also, I can't imagine being pressured into marriage. A former colleague of mine divorced and always said he wouldn't get married again. I never understood until now. There is no benefit to getting married a second time, NONE. He has had several 3-5 year relationships in the years I have known him and they all fall apart for one reason or another, But he's happy and has a great life.

[Mad Hatter]

Exactly my point Mad. Also, I can't imagine being pressured into marriage. A former colleague of mine divorced and always said he wouldn't get married again. I never understood until now. There is no benefit to getting married a second time, NONE. He has had several 3-5 year relationships in the years I have known him and they all fall apart for one reason or another, But he's happy and has a great life.

A bit hesitant to post this, but there is an alternate lifestyle out there. They do not necessarily avoid female interaction; but they are true to themselves and do what is best for them and to protect their interests.

http://www.mgtow.com/about/
http://www.mgtow.com/manosphere/

A quote from the second link:

"The young man has finally learned that men and women share the same inherent character flaws, but not the same consequences. He has sinned, and he has paid dearly. She has sinned, and she has been exalted.

He doesn’t hate his corporation; he hates the system. He doesn’t hate God; he hates what the church does in God’s name. He doesn’t hate women; he hates the unforgiving female support machine. He doesn’t hate feminists or White Knights; he hates navigating the environment they create.

That’s why there’s a Manosphere, and that’s why it’s growing."

MH

[hawk]

Got a serious question.
And it's not personal or about some women in the forum so much and as l say many here actually restore the faith. Wish l could meet some actually
But even so , it's already right through the cave and it'll end up more women than men anyway , l think it is now but they just won't have it any other way and butt in the second they don't like .
But why ?  Why do they even care ?
Why is it , women even give a toss if guys want a cave ?
Which sadly, with out a serious padlock and no surprises there but why ?
And even then l'd guarantee women will be setting up fake id's to get in , true, saw it in another one.
Different world in internet land isn't it eh.
And notice half have somehow actually given us their permission , gee thanks , to have a cave already l mean wtf !. l do not get it !

Why is it women just can not stay away from guys , even in a sitch like this ? They can't , they never can .
They'll lurk , they'll force themselves into what men obviously wanted to be their own , they'll insist on it , it's life , it's women , but why ?

And why do they assume or even care anyway , not like we're all married to each other or something , that all you'd want a cave for is to b@tch about women or talk about the next one we wanna screw?
As if we even if we did let fly or even close , even if that is what we wanted , not a hope anyway bc the girls would be all over it, we know that - but why ?
Like l couldn't give a rats about a girls club , l know what'll be going on , so what , who cares , that's women . They'll be talking about all the things they assume we'd talk about
Well unless l'm married to her and the crowd anyway. 
And as many of us know , women are far far worse than guys when they get together anyway . That sorta stuff has been the beginning or the end of half the marriages round here .
They actually have far less to worry about a bunch of blokes getting together than we would about a bunch of girls .
Hell most guys l've know would actually 2x4 you if you were out screwing round anyway , or talking about it or out all night every night pissing it up when you have a family and good wife at home.

Why is it , women just can not , seem to stay away from men or outa their stuff ?   l never get any of that.

[elray]

"No one is excluded" hawk.  Simple idea For the cave-- so far very limited "drive bys".. 

There are plenty of places when women really don't go. In case you haven't noticed those places include most board rooms, ceo offices, and the Oval Office for the last 200 years...perhaps the latter will change soon.

If you knew that your gender excluded you from so manly opportunities, being told of another "no go" zone might reflexively raise a response in you to.

I think there are plenty of things for a man to complain about in the marriage laws as the currently stand and anger is justifiable.  but you still carry a distinct advantage in the world based on your chromosomes...don't talk like a victim.

[Mad Hatter]

elray does offer an interesting observation; I'll offer a much simpler and more common reason and the typical scenario in a lot of marriages:

A quote from ruggedendurance just before he was essentially run (badgered) off the board:

kikki,

This is the typical double standard that I am speaking of.     Women want men to talk and hash things out and evolve.

Then.   They stick their nose into the garage and want to control the dialog.

It is all about control.

[hawk]

Nah didn't mean it like a victim Elray ,  just a very simple question about things like this . Totally different thing.
We know all the type of stuff your saying but l'm not talking about anything like that . lf there are women in that position in the company or whatever , then of course they should be part of it.
But l mean that's saying oh , bc of that type of stuff , men can never have the right to their any of own space anymore . That's not right .
But women do , all the time .

Anyway l expect lots of that but l just thought l'd try it because it always amazes me.

[elray]

Dj.

To your question on re-marriage, I would agree with the group consensus. I'm self aware enough to know myself and I feel more strongly now than I might in the future.  I think the true measure of the question isn't would you remarry. 

If you had boys what would you tell them?  Not a hypothetical for me --three teenage boys and I'm currently biting my tongue on the advice I think they could use.

As Current divorce Law stands, I will add one other twist.  And I wonder if others experienced this.  The laws are so empowering to my W it effectively shifted the  entire marriage power structure for
Me.  I knew she could destroy me financially and end up with the kids.  This was particularly powerful on me as the kids where young.  Almost three years later, all my kids are above 14 and have input to custody decisions now.

[hawk]

elray does offer an interesting observation; I'll offer a much simpler and more common reason and the typical scenario in a lot of marriages:

A quote from ruggedendurance just before he was essentially run (badgered) off the board:

kikki,

This is the typical double standard that I am speaking of.     Women want men to talk and hash things out and evolve.

Then.   They stick their nose into the garage and want to control the dialog.

It is all about control.

Yep , typical RE , he nailed it to a T as usual , exactly my point but by the sounds of it , look what he got . What a shame.
You see , that's what you get for having a pair these days and that's my point.

PS , Jesus the old RE had a way with words didn't he eh !

[Dji76]

I for one don't mind the women who want to participate or lurk in the cave. I also don't mind if some (male or female) are offended by my opinions as I know it is not my intent to insult or offend anyone. I also don't care if anyone wants to try to control the dialogue because that is their problem, not mine. It's my opinion that people are generally far to sensitive and easily offended anyways. My opinion is not about you, yours is not about me. If a man feels all women are "x" why do other women feel a need to change his opinion? Sure the man may be narrow minded or perhaps his opinion has been shaped by his life experiences... Either way, why make it about you and feel the need to "fix" his opinion?

[OldPilot]

A quote from ruggedendurance just before he was essentially run (badgered) off the board:

For the record I have been in contact with RE and he left on his own free will he told me he was NOT run off the board.
And he may possibly come back.

He had totally different personal reasons for taking a break.