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#20: February 11, 2015, 10:26:49 AM
Missed the first two Man Cave threads, took a little break from Heros Spouse for a while. But I'm back.

The first year with my D4+5, especially the first 6 months was pretty tough. The girls use to grill me at bedtime about why I didn't come home. Those were tough conversations.

They have adjusted pretty well with the new routine. The time we have together 3 days a week is precious and we try to make the most of it...doing lots of fun stuff, art, music, reading...etc.

My XW is still with her OM and he has a 3 year old daughter, as does my GF. So the girls basically have two families now. They love hanging out with my GF and her daughter and are always asking to see them.

I know I am happier now, more so then when I was living at home with her miserable mother. I think the girls know it also, and they seem happier also. I honestly hope my XW is happier but who knows.
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Re: MAN CAVE 3
#21: February 11, 2015, 11:31:09 AM
Curious as to how anyone applies the hypergamy concept to mlc affairs when so often it's an affair down. I understand a key component of hypergamy is perception of finding a higher status OM... Which may not be reality. The guys my wife was seeing are losers! They looked physically unfit, don't have good jobs, don't appear financially well off. The 2 I have seen are not alpha males... They don't "get it" per se. I on the other hand and successful, fit, attractive... Maybe mine is the exception but doesn't it seem the affair down is so the MLCer can feel they have control or the upper hand? Isn't it about finding someone they can feel superior to?? That's what i see in my situation.
If I misunderstood and u guys were wanting to talk more about single women your meeting now please disregard my post. I'm not dating yet so I have nothing to add in that area. I am, however, interested to hear about your experiences out there. One thing I've read that made a lot of sense is the idea of maintaing frame in a relationship. I wish I knew and understood that concept years ago... When I lost frame in my marriage it really went down hill fast.

I think is some cases they are looking for something they think they need rather than an upgrade... In my case the guy made way more money, and My X got to run away from responsibility, but on all other fronts...nope.

I've read a great many menopause forums where the women mention just a desire to "Run", or "feeling trapped" , the Om is glorified because he offers a means of escape that has to be justified in some way. Some women go through this whole "I'm Unhappppy" process, but because of a lack of options stay where they are and eventually come out on the other side of it.

Some studies seem to back this up, but it is never described in this way, it's generally stated as "Surveyed couples that were on the brink of divorce, but stayed together report five years later they are far happier...." The five years kind of ties in with how long it take some  to get through a MLC.

It does not seem to matter if you are rich or poor, have movie star looks or resemble Danny Divito, they will find someone the direct opposite of you in many cases. Let's face it, if they can no longer stand being around us, picking someone like us would just mean it was all for nothing :)
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Re: MAN CAVE 3
#22: February 11, 2015, 01:34:52 PM
Ok, Here we go:

Hypergamy (colloquially referred to as "marrying up") is the act or practice of marrying someone wealthier, or of higher caste or status than oneself.[citation needed] Although the term is not gendered, it is generally used by social scientists to refer to women marrying higher-status men, rather than to men marrying higher-status women.

Studies of heterosexual mate selection in dozens of countries around the world have found men and women report prioritizing different traits when it comes to choosing a mate, with men tending to prefer women who are young and attractive and women tending to prefer men who are rich, well-educated, ambitious, and attractive.[6] Evolutionary psychologists contend this is an inherent sex difference arising out of sexual selection, with men driven to seek women who will give birth to healthy babies and women driven to seek men who will be able to provide the necessary resources for the family's survival. Social learning theorists, however, say women value men with high earning capacity because women's own ability to earn is constrained by their disadvantaged status in a male-dominated society. They argue that as societies shift towards becoming more gender-equal, women's mate selection preferences will shift as well. Some research supports that theory,[7] including a 2012 analysis of a survey of 8,953 people in 37 countries, which found that the more gender-equal a country, the likelier male and female respondents were to report seeking the same qualities as each other rather than different ones.[8] However, Townsend (1989) surveyed medical students regarding their perception of how the availability of marriage partners changed as their educational careers advanced. Eighty-five percent of the women indicated that "As my status increases, my pool of acceptable partners decreases" (p. 246).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergamy

Pay close attention to those underlined parts! What this is saying in the modern dating / marriage plan is two things:

1) She sees you for not only your looks, but for your assets and net worth.
2) She requires you to make MORE than her, so as her income rises, she will pursue the higher end of the food chain.

As talked about before, this isn't necessarily a financial decision or the only factor either! There is also social standing & status involved. This is where the talk about "the top 20% of men are dating / sleeping with 80% of the women" and the inverse is true for the other 80% of men. This is essentially what you see in the younger generations, especially college level ages and on into the late 20's.

Ok, so that was from the wiki; here it is in much rawer terms from the manosphere:


The theory is more like this, from what I have read. Hypergamy is a woman’s natural (which is to say, genetically wired) preference for a higher status male–that is, higher status than herself and also higher status than the other men in her field of vision and also perhaps higher status than men she has known in the past and even (at the extremes) higher status than most men she can personally imagine meeting. That cuts across a range of possible relationships, all the way from a ONS to marriage. In all cases, women naturally prefer the highest status man they can get. And sometimes they want so much status that they won’t settle on ANY man they could actually get.

“Status” has a varied meaning in this definition. Certain things correllate with high status, for intance money, prestige, social standing, etc. However a man can have all of that and still be low status because of low status intrapersonal behavior (i.e., needy schlumpitude). The highest possible status male would be rich, good looking, fit, well dressed, high social cache, high prestige job (preferably one which involves risk, physical risk being better than mere monetary risk), and also extroverted, dominant, the leader of his group of friends, able to command any social situation, and so on. However, women are wired to be turned on more by the latter BEHAVORIAL traits than by be the former SUBSTANTIVE traits. So, if you have have to choose one or the other, to get women, be socially dominant and a broke societal loser rather than socially awkward and a rich societal winner. But best to be both, if possible.

As to marriage, sure women want to marry up. But this does not exhaust the effects of hypergamy. Women can marry up–both intrinsically and in their own mind–and still ditch their catch because someone “better” comes along. That is hypergamy at work.

Also, when women are pursuing short and medium term mating, hypergamy has no less force. They always prefer the most socially dominant male they can get. This is often relative (A&B are both a little dweeby but A is more alpha than B and since I want someone NOW I choose A) but sometimes it is more intrinsic (A&B are both a little dweeby and even though A is a little more alpha, since I don’t have to have someone NOW, I am going to hold out for the Real Deal).

It’s not all about marriage. It’s about mate selection accross the range of circumstances.


http://therationalmale.com/2012/03/13/the-hypergamy-conspiracy/


The female who becomes agitated and pretends to be bothered by the male gaze is very busily deflecting and distracting your attention away from a much darker and significant point she would strongly prefer you were not aware of – and would rather not discuss: her own “hypergamy”. Her instinctual desire to discard her current mate with no feeling or remorse when the opportunity arises to latch onto a subsequent mate of higher status due to the hindbrain impetus to find a male with the best ability to provide for HER OWN offspring (already spawned or yet-to-be spawned) regardless of investments and commitments made to her current mate.

You.

She is hardwired for this. By nature. The last 4 years don’t matter. Whether you paid admission for 4 to Disney World – when the kids weren’t even yours – won’t matter. That you funded her dubious flirtation with returning to school for a useless degree doesn’t matter. That you work 70 hours to earn 6 figures with marketable skills beyond knocking a ball around won’t matter. Even if you are obese and have the face to stop a clock, your $181 Million dollar lottery win makes all the difference. It doesn’t matter WHO you are… it only matters WHAT you are.
Hypergamy. Does. Not. Care.

As societal impediments (both economic and cultural) to the recession of binding monogamous relationships deteriorate, the validity of this theory is being rediscovered to the chagrin of men in the trenches and to the delight of the new social engineers up in the towers.

Hypergamy can make a woman forget anything. Humiliation. Morals. The emotional well-being of her children.


http://www.mgtow.com/video/hypergamy-doesnt-care/



Evolutionary Psychology theory on the instinctual desire of humans of the female sex to discard a current mate when the opportunity arises to latch onto a subsequent mate of higher status due to the hindbrain impetus to find a male with the best ability to provide for her OWN offspring (already spawned or yet-to-be spawned) regardless of investments and commitments made to a current mate.

As societal impediments (both economic and cultural) to the recission of binding monogamous relationships deteriorate, the validity of this theory is being rediscovered to the chagrin of men in the trenches and to the delight of the new social engineers up in the towers.

akin to the notion of "serial monogamy" acknowledged by mainstream culture.
Hypergamy is a savage natural instinct that finds social acceptance when many other such instincts such as polygamy do not.


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hypergamy


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Re: MAN CAVE 3
#23: February 11, 2015, 01:44:06 PM
I just want to address this comment from Braveheart on the last thread:

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I've had a standard response to the "All my X's were a$$holes" statements from women I've met this past year, it's.."Strange that, have you noticed that all these a$$holes have one thing in common?...You chose them" Needless to say it has not helped my cause in their case, but I feel good saying it and walking away...

Awesome; adding that to my list of witty responses!

Another good one for when a woman asks "where have all the good men gone?" Simply look at her indifferently and replay "Probably taken by all the good women!"

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Re: MAN CAVE 3
#24: February 11, 2015, 03:20:53 PM
My response to "I'm a single mom" convo goes as follows...
Me: I'm sorry your husband passed away
Her: oh no, we r divorced
Me: wow that's terrible that a father would leave his wife and kids.
Her: oh no, I left him.
Me: I see. He must have been horribly abusive for you to take feel the need to leave like that.

You can see where this leads... Nowhere good for either of us.
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Re: MAN CAVE 3
#25: February 11, 2015, 09:02:53 PM
Actually that info IS good to know.
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Re: MAN CAVE 3
#26: February 11, 2015, 09:19:10 PM
My response to "I'm a single mom" convo goes as follows...
Me: I'm sorry your husband passed away
Her: oh no, we r divorced
Me: wow that's terrible that a father would leave his wife and kids.
Her: oh no, I left him.
Me: I see. He must have been horribly abusive for you to take feel the need to leave like that.

You can see where this leads... Nowhere good for either of us.
Well unless she says - no I was tired of being cheated on.

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Re: MAN CAVE 3
#27: February 12, 2015, 06:35:02 AM
My response to "I'm a single mom" convo goes as follows...
Me: I'm sorry your husband passed away
Her: oh no, we r divorced
Me: wow that's terrible that a father would leave his wife and kids.
Her: oh no, I left him.
Me: I see. He must have been horribly abusive for you to take feel the need to leave like that.

You can see where this leads... Nowhere good for either of us.
Well unless she says - no I was tired of being cheated on.

Well that's a possibility. According to the stats that are available on cheating, in modern divorces reasons for them has cheating by hubby is in the bottom 25%....but as I and many others have observed, it's rare the husband is not described in a very negative light. I did have one recently admit she still loves the guy she divorced almost ten years ago and the reasons why she left now seem very minor...
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Re: MAN CAVE 3
#28: February 12, 2015, 07:24:28 AM
How does the hypergamy work in my case then. My h's ow is less attractive, less confident and only 4 years younger than me. So at 40 she is past her childbearing years??

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Re: MAN CAVE 3
#29: February 12, 2015, 07:57:04 AM

Well that's a possibility. According to the stats that are available on cheating, in modern divorces reasons for them has cheating by hubby is in the bottom 25%....but as I and many others have observed, it's rare the husband is not described in a very negative light. I did have one recently admit she still loves the guy she divorced almost ten years ago and the reasons why she left now seem very minor...
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I believe these numbers have and are changing more and more in recent times, say in the past 20 years.
Men used to be the ones back in the day. Now as stereotypes and roles have changed, more and more women are doing exactly the same thing they used to complain that men were doing.

Those that heavily influence societal norms such as the media, entertainment industry, rights groups, those who make the laws, and judges have also played a huge role in turning things upside down. There truly are no commitment guarantees anymore. Society is definitely all about self and selfishness. 
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