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#10: May 29, 2015, 10:17:48 AM
Thunder,

I totally do not have a problem inviting someone over for a home cooked meal, or even asking them out. So I guess I will feel this particular situation out a little bit more and go from there.

As far as whether you are standing if you do not want to remarry.....I think that if your XH is the only man you have any desire to have a future relationship with then to a degree you are. However if you are open to whatever life leads your way, then I would say you are not standing. I think it is just fine that you do not want to remarry him. If you decide to continue to have a relationship with him then it is completely on your terms.
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Re: Finished with Standing?
#11: May 29, 2015, 10:39:34 AM
Be aware of the types of people you are attracting and be careful not to fall into familiar roles if they are not what you want in future relationships. Its easy to slip right back into old behaviors in new relationships. I saw myself doing this and had to stop seeing that person. The dynamic was eeirly similar to my relationship with my x.
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Re: Finished with Standing?
#12: May 29, 2015, 10:50:12 AM
Thanks Dj, and this is very, VERY, true! I talked to my pastor about this during my IC this week & posted this on my thread. He thinks I am ready to start dating, but he asked me a question. He said "Book what is important to you? Quality Time, Affection (Touch), Words of Affirmation, Gifts, or Acts of Service?" I explained to him that for me it was 2 things pretty equally, and that is Quality Time, and Affection.
He told me to remember these things going forward and try to find someone with similar qualities. He also told me that if I met someone and they did not share these same wants then to NOT SETTLE.
So Dj awesome point! Now is the time to make sure of what you want in a future relationship.
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Re: Finished with Standing?
#13: May 29, 2015, 11:51:07 AM
book, 

Good points.  I have not wanted a new man in my life.  I didn't want a rebound type of relationship.  But I think at this point (4 1/2 years)  I know if I met someone fantastic I would probably date him.  So I guess that answers my question.  I'm not standing.

We are divorced so we both are free to do that.  I have no hold on him anymore.  He has no hold on me.
Sounds like a song in there somewhere.   :)
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#14: May 29, 2015, 02:23:51 PM
Thunder, it does sound like a song for sure! You have taken the time to heal, and I am glad that if someone great comes along you would go out with them.
I am a year and a half in, so no where near as long as you. However mentally and emotionally I am done. The divorce is a formality.
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#15: May 30, 2015, 09:10:56 AM
He said "Book what is important to you? Quality Time, Affection (Touch), Words of Affirmation, Gifts, or Acts of Service?" I explained to him that for me it was 2 things pretty equally, and that is Quality Time, and Affection.

Sounds like your pastor is very familiar with the book "The 5 Love Languages" by Gary Chapman.  This book was recommended to me and H at one of our MC sessions. 

It is a great book and a fairly short read.  It provided me with much insight into alot of what went wrong in our marriage.  It's not that H and I don't love each other, we just weren't speaking the same love language.

I would definitely recommend this book to anyone who is interested in learning more about how to make someone feel loved, and also what makes you feel loved.

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#16: May 30, 2015, 12:52:50 PM
Happy to see this thread. I have nothing against standing. It is a personal choice and I'm glad I chose it at the beginning.  I am also a year and a half in.  I am glad I can look back and know I tried.  Maybe not always the right way, but I forgave and I know that I truly loved my h and I'm glad I can at least know that.

I am no longer standing.  I have no regrets about standing.  Many on this thread have the same feelings I do.  I am pretty confident I will always feel like a fall back if h came back.  I would not trust him.  His intentional destruction was just too much.  He has what he wants now but still continues to bully and destroy. 

Toxic people including h are just not allowed in my life anymore. I intend to stay no contact. I do not have the ability to do otherwise and I'm OK with that now.

I've learned so much and now its my turn to have the life I want. I'm happy with who I am and accept that I am ever changing.  I don't mind that.  I'm way more aware now and that is a good thing.

I am dating and although some dates suck beyond belief I have met some very nice people and had some good experiences.  I'm kind of a sporadic dater.  I'll date for a while and if nothing comes of it I will take a break and rethink.  I get a lot of information by dating and practice of determining what in want and what I don't as well as getting better and reading people and trusting my gut. 
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#17: May 30, 2015, 02:12:52 PM
Thanks for more insight into the book Life, I have it on my iPad and have for a while....just haven't read more then the first few pages. It is on my "to do" list now.
TMT- we have the EXACT same month of BD. Mine is the 15th of Feb. 2014. I feel the same, I have no regrets and know I did ALL I could have. I agree the things we have learned about ourselves will serve us well in our future. I also feel the same about toxic people. I will not allow that in my life anymore. I have one person that I cannot "get rid" of and that is my very disabled sister. However I can limit how much I tolerate and will let her know when she is out of line.
Thanks everyone for the replies, I hope we can keep this thread going. It is important to help each other on this next stage of OUR journey. Moving forward it is now about us!
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Re: Finished with Standing?
#18: May 31, 2015, 07:14:26 AM
Moving forward it is now about us!

Very true. But hasn't it been about is for awhile? Before ending our respective stands, we we're focusing on ourselves and our personal growth.

book, 

Good points.  I have not wanted a new man in my life.  I didn't want a rebound type of relationship.

I think the first relationship we have post BD/D is going to be rebound or at least have rebound elements, and as long as we know ourselves, that isn't a bad thing. We need these relationships in order to learn things about ourselves.

I've done the rebound r. I learned a significant amount from it. I needed it to help myself heal from aspects of my marriage, and I have no regrets. But you make a good point, Thunder. The last thing we should do is settle for whomever comes along (like some people we know) because we are lonely.
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Re: Finished with Standing?
#19: June 01, 2015, 11:04:56 AM

When I came here five years ago, "standing" was very strictly defined.  Standing meant acting as if you were still married, and obstructing any efforts to end that relationship, including contesting divorce.  Back then, a thread like this would never have been allowed.  As an honest "non-stander," even my presence here was disconcerting for many of the strict standers and we had many fights about it.  I never encouraged anyone not to stand, but I have always encouraged people to define "standing" for themselves and seek their own path to healing.  Mine was not accepted by most here, but I think it served me well, and despite what anyone here thought to the contrary, I DID consider myself a stander at heart which was why I always had a hard time leaving this site. 

To me, standing is leaving the door open to R, on your own terms.  Sexual fidelity was a big piece of standing here, but call me what you will, sex is not a true deal breaker for me.  I could have forgiven him the infidelity, and I did, once, early in our M.  I don't THINK he continued philandering, but even if he had, the fact that he, by all measures, valued our FAMILY and never dishonored them, was what was most important to me.  That he never flaunted infidelity, or neglected his family in any other way was okay with me.  So, as far as my "standing" I felt that I could NEVER consider R until I stepped out.  If we were going to build something new, I wanted him to forgive me, as I would be expected to forgive him.  Plus, there was pain and identity crises and shame with being blamed for his ED issues.  After BD, I needed sexual validation, and I didn't feel bad for it.  For lack of a better way to describe it, I entered into a two-year FWB arrangement that was the best thing that ever happened to me, and I mean that, even my fiancĂ©e has thanked him for making me who I am. 

So, don't dismiss "rebounds" totally, and don't necessarily claim to be finished with "standing."  Nothing in life has to be so concrete unless you make it so.  There will ALWAYS be a little stander in all who have ever loved--or it would not have been love.  The problem is in STANDING STILL with only one future option in consideration.  In the beginning, I was going on about my life, HOPING for R, on MY terms.  Today I am going on about my life knowing that R with the ex is not a possibility in the near future as I have a truly better alternative.  But, I would still never say never, another 20 years down the road could be another world, again. 

What everyone really needs it not to define their healing in reference to another person, any other person.  And in the context of your own life, you should never be standing, especially after something so shocking as BD, you need to be running to make sure you and your kids are safe and protected, financially, emotionally, physically...  The advice that you should not make any big decisions or changes is just not helpful because fact is, often you HAVE TO, so people need to understand that you need to realize you are now an out-of-control hot air balloon, so you better enlist some damn good people in your chase vehicle (and attorney, an accountant, financial advisor, therapist, physician...) and let them help you make the right choices in a really awful time and situation. 

But that's just my two cents.  Love and light, ll 
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