[LEC16]

LEC,

That's interesting. My W dabbled heavily in astrology and soulmate forums. Initially, did not display Monster after BD. She was herself and we still functioned as man and wife until she ran away. It was when she came home, month 4 post BD, that I noticed the possession. It was a complete transformation.

She introduced OM to her life during those 1st 2 months and I believe the entity took over her. She spent that entire 1st month back(Sept 2015) in her bedroom and we never saw each other. She emerged from it in Oct and exploded. Monster, police, restraining order, removal from house all within days.

I saw the darkness through the 1st 15 months and then I left. I have not seen it since we started talking, now 21 months from BD, but I know that her crisis is not over. So time will tell if it re emerges. She is holding strong with her Faith but it is a battle. We shall see.

Good luck Watcher!

I think the stages make sense and explain shifting behavior trends, but the pure evil we see is interesting and certainly raises questions. I think evil impacts religious people more as taking down a religious person would be a bigger trophy so to speak, plus the values cotrast would be greater. Obviously if evil can personally interact with us we don't know exactly how it works, but I would think that evil would attack a vulnerable person just like any other sickness. Obviously our mlc spouses are vulnerable.

[Roma]

LEC,

 I do see lack of feelings and misunderstanding love, and for us, abandoning our culture's monthly meetings.

I didn't realize you call that 'evil'. So yes my H has done the same. It's typical MLC behaviors.

You are fortunate your W takes pills. My H thinks he can handle this without them and it's driving me up a wall  Are they working for your W?

[LEC16]

LEC,

 I do see lack of feelings and misunderstanding love, and for us, abandoning our culture's monthly meetings.

I didn't realize you call that 'evil'. So yes my H has done the same. It's typical MLC behaviors.

You are fortunate your W takes pills. My H thinks he can handle this without them and it's driving me up a wall 

I guess I see evil as intentionally hurting people, breaking sacred vows, breaking up families, selfishly spending $, lying,  and having a disordered view of love.

If you believe love is real and not just a feeling of initial attraction, then it is logical to directly relate love to god. If you take a belief in god further than a deist and believe god seeks a personal relationship with you, then you can see God as love. The selfish mlc'ers see their needs as being all that matters, which is the opposite of unconditional love. I guess the logic I'm using is if the opposite of good is evil then the opposite of true marital love (unconditional) is selfishness. I would then by definition capthis disordered way of thinking evil.

[Loyal]

How long does the old personality last, and does the old one keep you in limbo?  I rarely saw the old personality. There were a few cases where I heard her voice, saw the look in her eyes, but arrows sit sustained. One morning W called me an old pet name she had done and crawled over to me to snuggle, things changed after she got up and she said it was an old habit. I saw someone close to the old personality more, but I frequently saw dazed and confused, rebellious teenager, monster, and narcissistic spoiled brat. I swear it feels like multiple personalities, but they are not named, so that doesn't match up with my understanding of the disorder.

My P has been in MLC since around 2010 and his pre MLC personality only started showing up again after he returned home last November after being gone for a total of  4 weeks.
I`m sure he had a touch and go with Rock Bottom but unfortunately I made the biggest mistake of my life in letting him come home as he was still uncooked or better said raw. He probably felt safe in the knowledge that I was still there for him, which in return gave him his MLC confidence back again.

[Roma]

LEC,

Let me expain how I see things. I don't see a MLCer intentionally lying per se. I see them as so mentally ill that is what their twisted and deeply confused brain is telling them. Their perception is WAY off.

They THINK they are telling the truth 

As far as love, again it's their skewed perception. It's not us (the LBS) the fell out of love with, it's themselves they no longer love. For some reason the MLCer see us (the LBS) and themselves as one person. Same with the OP, if there is one.

My H actually is just like other MLCers. They literally have no feelings at all. They go on this crazy literal search for happiness outside of themselves.

I have no explanation why it is MLC robs them of their emotions yet, have read once they heal childhood issues their emotions come back.  It's not that they don't love us, they do! It's just hidden until they are done 'cooking'.

[LEC16]

LEC,

Let me expain how I see things. I don't see a MLCer intentionally lying per se. I see them as so mentally ill that is what their twisted and deeply confused brain is telling them. Their perception is WAY off.

As far as love, again it's their skewed perception. It's not us (the LBS) the fell out of love with, it's themselves they no longer love. For some reason the MLCer see us (the LBS) and themselves as one person. Same with the OP, if there is one.

My H actually is just like other MLCers. They literally have no feelings at all. They go on this crazy literal search for happiness outside of themselves.

I have no explanation why it is MLC robs them of their emotions yet, have read once they heal childhood issues their emotions come back.  It's not that they don't love us, it's just hidden until they are done 'cooking'.

I appreciate you the explanation. I think your view is very plausible and probably way more likely than the alternative view being explored in this thread. Please don't think anything I wrote was dismissing other views it was more exploring a different angle or perhaps just a different element.  Our councilor wanted W to see a physicist as she suspected sexual abuse. W never mentioned any abo, but she also never mentioned her dad getting fired for inappropriate contact way child. Her aunt did talk about being sexually abused by her brothers as a child. I suspect childhood issues are part of the problem. She even told me she had issues from childhood to work through but wouldn't discuss.

[Roma]

My H has childhood issues he won't discuss also. He doesn't have to discuss them with me. Whatever they are he's go to heal from them. Yet the is the major goal of MLC, from what I read.

[Thunder]

maomina,

That was a very scary story and I don't think you're crazy at all.

I've had strange things happen that I can't explain.  I think a lot of people have.
Dabbling in weird religion acts like that I think can conjure up evil, in my opinion.

LEC,

I can't really comment much on this alternative view, which is the subject of this thread, because I never saw evil in my H.

I saw the dead, black eyes, but not the Monster anger and rage.
Interesting discussion, though.

New thread
http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=8813.0