[Velika]

I agree with you KS! I am considering marching as well, if not on Washington when in solidarity nearby.

[Thunder]

Me too, Velika! 

[evas]

I will march too! A whole group of women in the town outside New York City where I live will march.

[Anjae]

The whole thing is almost like watching 1933 live and real. 

It seems Trump election brought out every single fascist, nazi, racist, misogynist out there. Even in Portugal, where the extreme far right is a handful of people (very vocal ones when they hit the streets) they come out.

Marine Le Pen, the French extreme right leader is in heaven, saying now hers, and other like her time, has arrived.

Europe has seen enough of totalitarism and intolerance (WWII, Soviet Union, Portugal's and Spain's dictatorships, Easter European dictators), but iot seems it never has enough of it. And Turkey, that is both an European and an Asian country is diving into a deeper and deeper dictatorship where freedom of speech, press, polotical choice are being curtailed every single day with thousands of people being arrested.

Much I love history, not sure I like to be living inside of it.

[Roma]

OK, OP I enjoy facts as well.

Anjae Velika, Thunder do you see what I'm talking about now? Does everyone see why I'm scared? Had no idea we had so many of those crazies among us.

Somebody reported whats going on to Trump and he got really serious and looked in the camera and said, STOP IT  to all the ones harassing and intimidating minorities, women and Muslims who have reported being bullied.

[karmirtsaghik]

And then these people tell the demonstrators not to be afraid. Really, we are not afraid, but you should be. I am hoping that Montgomery county police is investigating and bringing to justice perpetrators. The priest of this church said that his parishioners are from 50 diffirent countries. I like what Bernie Sanders siad yesterday, that it is time to organize on the grasstoots level, and not in cocktail parties, hint, hint at the leadership of democratic party.

[Anjae]

Elegance, I know what you are talking about, and I had seen it even before Trump got elected. It really is quite similar to 1933. Both what happened before and lead to this (2008 crisis and all that come with it) and the election and its aftermath.

I truly hope things do not get as bad as they did in 1933. I don't think there will be a world war, but I would not be surprised if there were dark times for the US and even for Europe.

The US going back to a time where people can scream and write "whites only" is not only scary, but insane. It is 2016, not 1806.

I do understand the reasons for all that anger and those sayings, but it does not make it any less scary.

Time for the Democrats, their European counterpars to take a good deep look at themselves, go back to their core values and really start to pay attention to people, rather than to big corporarions, banks, etc. Otherwise, people like Trump and the likes will keep being elected.

Not easy, but it is possible to give everyone a better life and have more balance and equality.   The means and the ideas exist, it is a question of putting them in place. And of totally re-shifting the way things have been done till now.

[Anjae]

Elegance, I know what you are talking about, and I had seen it even before Trump got elected. It really is quite similar to 1933. Both what happened before and lead to this (2008 crisis and all that come with it) and the election and its aftermath.

I truly hope things do not get as bad as they did in 1933. I don't think there will be a world war, but I would not be surprised if there were dark times for the US and even for Europe.

The US going back to a time where people can scream and write "whites only" is not only scary, but insane. It is 2016, not 1806.

I do understand the reasons for all that anger and those sayings, but it does not make it any less scary.

Time for the Democrats, their European counterpars to take a good deep look at themselves, go back to their core values and really start to pay attention to people, rather than to big corporarions, banks, etc. Otherwise, people like Trump and the likes will keep being elected.

Not easy, but it is possible to give everyone a better life and have more balance and equality.   The means and the ideas exist, it is a question of putting them in place. And of totally re-shifting the way things have been done till now.

I like what Bernie Sanders siad yesterday, that it is time to organize on the grasstoots level, and not in cocktail parties, hint, hint at the leadership of democratic party.

Exactly. Enough of fancyness, time to get around the people and work for the people. 

[Roma]

This is why I had so much trouble just doing my job at the polls. they saw me as an immigrant, an outsider, one of the ones stealing their jobs, a Latina....I guess. Which I am none of those things. Such bigotry is now the norm and accepted.


All of a sudden life looks so bleak here

yes Anjae

Just saw this for NYC:  Join demonstrators in New York City as they march up 5th Ave over the weekend during a protest against President-elect Donald Trump.

[Rollercoasterider]

First let me apologize for not posting sooner, we have had company staying at our house.
I was considering staying away from this thread—which has been interesting and is fine as an off-topic discussion for this forum. It was going along quite well until… and now I feel I must speak up. Thus far I have only read the initial thread and am simply posting on this one since I’m a few days late.

Please dont make this personal

OP how can I as a woman not make it personal when you vote for someone who thinks it's OK to demean women? "Grab them by the kitty"? Seriously? And you wonder why your wife ran off? Is that OK speech in your household? It's OK to judge and demean women? If no, then why is it OK for a president? Do you even begin to grasp the meanings of the words coming out of Trump's mouth? I find it difficult to respect any man (or woman) who vote for a racist, misogynist bigot.

Am I serious? You bet. If you think it is OK to demean women, to degrade them, to call women pigs, to say "grab them by the kitty", then you have zero respect for women. Do you seriously think it is OK for ANY man to say the things Trump has said? I'd leave a man saying or thinking it is OK to say a thing like that in a second. And yes, I do believe (and hope) many other women would too. Let me ask you this: Are you seriously saying you think a woman should tolerate that kind of talk?

So it is OK to "believe" that women are objects that can be called pigs? Demeaning women is discrimination it is not a believe this or believe that.
Being seen and heard as a human being (even though you are a woman) is a human right, not a belief system. We fight it when we see it in other countries, but somehow it is accepted in our own.

Exactly, and if you're OK with a president who has stated over and over again that that is how he views women, then perhaps that's OK in your household? It is how you yourself perhaps view women? And that's what I mean. If that's the case, then I don't blame anyone for leaving. The one thing this election has done that's good - yet painful - is shed a light on what our true "beliefs" are. Do we believe that every human has a right to be seen or heard whether woman, man, black or white or whatever religion? Or do we believe it is OK to humiliate and abuse someone because they are in a weaker position/minority?

Evas, I agree completely with your view of Trump, but I absolutely disagree with your personal attack of OldPilot and YES it was a personal attack. It was not only rude and inappropriate, it was against the Terms of Service Agreement for the forum.
Voting for Trump in ABSOLUTELY IN NO WAY MEANS SOMEONE AGREES WITH HIS VIEW OF WOMEN, MINORITIES, LGBQT, MUSLIMS…
I understand your frustration…hey I feel it. But I am married to a man who not only voted for Trump, but who is happy and excited and now wants to go out and get a Trump hat—I told him he is not to wear it in at home or in my presence.
I’m not surprised, I know who I married, but I will still admit to being embarrassed and maybe even ashamed. But Chuck isn’t a misogynist or racist… I’ve never heard him demean women. I now live in Trump country. Our neighbor is also excited and he’s a great guy—I don’t know who his lovely wife voted for. It’s a paradox. I too wonder how wonderful men and women (our church Grandma was more than just a Trump voter; she is a supporter) can vote for him given his character—and I’ve been watching him for ~25 years and thought him disgusting way back when. But people I know and love did more than just vote for him. Yes, I am still struggling to wrap my head around it, but I am absolutely confident in both Chuck and OldPilot NOT being racist misogynists. Some of the people who voted him certainly share aspects of his character, but not 46% of the country.
I agree with what people have said about political experience—it does seem important.
But what this came down to for many was which persons’ sins were greater—or character worse—and determining such a thing is subjective to each individual It like how a jury must fid someone guilty beyond reasonable doubt. What does that mean? Have we found a way to measure reasonable doubt and ensure that each juror votes that way? No, but even if we had it would still vary from person to person.
The challenge now for some discussions is that how can we separate the man from the office and from a political discussion now that he is going to be president. Before it was kind of a no-brainer. We could maybe discuss the man without making the discussion about politics. A discussion about rape and sexual harassment shouldn’t be political or partisan and yet now that gets drug in.
I might not have a problem with his politics…we will see. And yet for me I don’t care—sorry as I don’t like admitting that. It’s not apathy, it is that his character (lack thereof) is more important for me. Supposing his politics are okay (to me), I then still think it is not worth it; I’d rather have someone I disagree with politically—to me he is that bad and I think many of you feel that way as well.
But I am not going to stop loving Chuck because he voted for someone I find vile. And I am not going to stop thinking OldPilot is one of the most awesome and amazing guys ever.

Albus Dumbledore said that one of Voldemeort’s greatest skills was creating division. Well, that is what Trump has been doing as well and regarding that articular skill, please don’t let him win. Please do not lower yourself to his bullying and start doing it too. Have the Unconditionals ever been more important?
If Trump is going to be an example for you, please let him be an example of what not to be and instead Be Grace.