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Mae

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My Story Now that I'm here again.....
OP: April 14, 2017, 01:22:19 PM
Hi everyone,

I'm onto a new thread now, can someone please link my old thread.

It's nearly 8am in the morning and H has run away again after spending the night with me.

What to say about yesterday.....it was incredibly awkward, sad, bitter-sweet, loving, intimate....I ran through the whole gamut of emotions.

At one point I doubted whether he would make it down to me......whether the universe was conspiring against us to prevent it from happening.

Firstly H had his last day in his job on Thursday and a farewell dinner/evening that's why he couldn't make it down on Thursday night. Then secondly BF (in a drunken state) decides that H being around the general vicinity of his wife was inappropriate and punches were thrown....this is NOT the first time that has happened in fact I can recall at least one other time BF flipped out with my H.....it's all apologies etc the next day but in the meantime it left H kind of stranded Thursday night as he is sleeping on BFs couch. So he got to sleep on someone else's couch that night. Then the next day he got called into work on Easter Friday....yes the job that he officially finished on Thursday....to do some emergency work around flooding in certain parts of the country. Ok fine....he had to work most of the day and then he had to pick up the car from BF and sort out the fall-out from the evening before....that took an hour....again BF apologizes etc. So now he is on the road. He got here at around 5pm.

The first couple of hours are very very awkward......H seems very tired and ready to fall asleep.....little interaction etc. I get upset....then upset with myself because obviously I had 'expectations' when I shouldn't have....so I'm berating myself and taking deep breaths etc. I'm thinking this is crazy....so I tell my H that if he doesn't want to be here or see me then perhaps he should leave.....it turns out that far from not wanting to being here H feels like he's intruding in my house and feels very very uncomfortable....I guess he is seeing how well I am managing the house both inside and out and he's now an 'outsider'. So we work our way through that.....he asks me want I want to do do and I tell him I just want to lie on our bed with him....so we do and well.......stuff happens.....it was wonderful.

Then we decide to get up and catch a movie....we are both sci-fi buffs, so we drive to see 'Ghost in the Shell'.....ok the movie was pretty disappointing but it was wonderful seeing it with him....almost normal.

I don't initiate any R talk but we do talk about his work, the new role he will be going into....we touch on how he's doing, the kids.....generally the stuff we would talk about normally if he were home. I do point out that he needs to move out from staying with BF as his presence seems to be putting pressure on the relationship between BF and his wife. I also discuss his interaction with BF's wife and ask if he has a 'separate' friendship with her i.e. does he text her on his phone etc....he says he doesn't, his interaction with her is generally through BF....ok seems fine there. I ask if there is anyone else........he says there isn't.

We get home and go to bed....lots of cuddles etc. In the morning he tells me his feels 'sick' ......oh was my cooking that bad? NO he says he is beginning to feel like he did when he first left....ok...that I can deal with because I remember that same process happening after BD #2, we would have contact, be intimate etc and then the next day he begins to withdraw again....at least now I understand that process.

How can you feel both 'connected and detached' at the same time? Because I feel both of these things.....and yet these are not at war with one another inside me, it's more like that those feelings which would seem opposites are interconnected, like yin and yang. I feel at once deeply connected to him as my H and the H I have always known and yet separate too, his leaving abruptly this morning was met with compassion and equanimity. I'm not a mess.......in fact once  again through this contact I think I have a good 'handle' where my H is at....I'm not cycling, I'm neither sad nor joyful...just kind of calm and accepting.

His progression through his depression is tracking along similar to the one following BD#2 in terms of time.

His is seeing a counselor which he says seems to be helping but has not seen a doctor for medication. I strongly encouraged him to explore that option.

He is going to start looking for his own place now that our finances have been sorted.

He has no idea how to start the repair work on his relationship with D.

In my estimation he has a long way to go.......but then so do I.

He has lost so much weight....he's the slimmest I have seen him, about 82kg....and I'm around 57kg (thank you MLC diet)....he's not eating much, neither am I....more from habit now and the fact that it doesn't take much food to fill my stomach these days.

And now it's back to our regularly scheduled programme. Busy day today for me, a big family dinner for my Mum, gym, looking after grandson.....ok grandson is the busy aspect. I am hoping to spend a day with grand-daughters and a day out in my garden over the Easter holiday break.

Old Thread: http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=8818.0
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« Last Edit: April 21, 2017, 04:28:01 PM by LearningIamOk »
Me: 50
H: 40
S19, D15
Together for 19 years
BDay in 2004, 2011 and now March 5 2017
Ran away on 5 March BD
No OW
Returned home 'underdone' 1 July 2017.
Left again 22 October 2017.
H - Silent and non-communicative

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Re: Now that I'm here again.....
#1: April 14, 2017, 07:56:24 PM
I happened upon some photos on an old google email of my H's....from the second BD. They are of him having a good time with friends around New Years 2015. Looking at them brought all the old hurt from BD # 2 up....while he was out having the time of his life, partying it up with friends....some of the pics with a friend of his (girl) really hurt, there is one where his face is pushed up against hers and another one where they are posing on the beach after a swim....I have never ever seen these before.

Gosh it would have been better NEVER to have seen them.....but once seen I can't 'unsee' them....I am sad, hurt and unbelievably angry.....and THIS over BD #2 which I thought I was completely healed from and is all in the past now.

I journalled my feelings in a google doc and saved it to the drive and that has helped immensely. I also renamed all the pics with things like "Having a great time with friends after abandoning wife & kids", or Jerk poser and friend, another one was 'coward and friend'. He hasn't touched that account since 2015.....so all water under the bridge and long since buried.....I wish it could have stayed buried....now I am all angry and upset and SO SAD all over again.....grrrrrr. I SO badly want to send the link to his account to him.
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« Last Edit: April 14, 2017, 07:57:54 PM by Mae »
Me: 50
H: 40
S19, D15
Together for 19 years
BDay in 2004, 2011 and now March 5 2017
Ran away on 5 March BD
No OW
Returned home 'underdone' 1 July 2017.
Left again 22 October 2017.
H - Silent and non-communicative

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Re: Now that I'm here again.....
#2: April 16, 2017, 06:34:26 PM
What a mixed bag Easter has been for me, some good, some not.....

What has been great:

1. Getting to spend time with family....this has redeemed this holiday break. My extended family got together to celebrate my Mum's 70th birthday......the food was delicious. The next day we got to have a great family lunch as well which was also delicious. Today another family get-together but this time I am cooking. Family has been my life-line through this whole crisis and is my number one priority.
2. Spending time with H on Friday....it was sad, joyous and interesting.
3. Being able to call on people to help me fix my flat tyre.....now I can fix a flat tyre (don't need H to do that)....but I can't if I don't have the right tools....made a call to family......and call answered, flat fixed.

Not great:
1. My darling grandson waking up after staying over at 5.30am with a vomiting bug. That was NOT great, copious amounts of vomit, multiple times, multiple changes of clothes, then wham diarrhea as well....up the back....oh joy....so into the bath. Just before lunch I take grandson back to father, just before we arrive.....vomit all over carseat and clothes. Dad starts gagging when we arrive.....so I get to clean up the carseat/clothes and Dad gets to wash son.
2. H not being able to cope after a stayover and quickly departing.
3. Happened upon some old photos that I've never seen before during BD#2 of H out having a great time with friends during New Years 2014 while I was at home alone in pieces looking after kids. This was a major trigger and I blew up into monster mode and wished various nasty incidents upon my H, some involving hot pokers and scissors. Somehow my contact on Friday and this separate incident became all entangled in my head and I had two bad nights in a row involving tears and regression and venting in a google doc which I posted onto his drive and renaming of the photos with hate-filled captions.....I don't know if he has seen/will see them....he may have already read the doc...I don't know. I have since removed the document but left the captions on the pics. I have peeked at some of his pictures that he has taken with his phone since he left which he had saved to google photos.....pretty boring, nothing out of the ordinary.

H did text me yesterday to ask how the dinner went and if I got the tyre fixed and to thank me for letting him see me. I didn't respond. Later I texted him that I sent him some more rental properties to look at. Since then silence has reigned between us.

Today I have achieved a measure of calmness and perspective. I WISH I had never seen those damn old pictures...I was doing fine before that. I was poking around I guess. I had processed contact with H and his subsequent withdrawal fine....then the seeing of the pictures and everything became all jumbled up, BD #1, 2 & 3.

Today I have thought so hard about whether I am on the right track of opening up contact with my H or whether it is a step backwards in my own healing and moving forward.

I know from previous experience that going no contact with H whilst extremely hard and painful allowed me to heal quicker. Maybe I need to rip the bandaid off.....maybe I need to drop the rope completely.....I'm just not sure what to do at this stage.....and then I remember that I can BE STILL.....if I'm not sure then I can also choose to do nothing.

I wanted to look at the options of going contact/no contact with my H in a calm and rational manner (as opposed to having a knee-jerk emotional reaction) with the focus being on what is best for ME as opposed to trying to influence/control H or as an act of vengence against him.

The Pros of No Contact:
1. Puts the focus firmly back on myself.
2. Stops me from constantly checking my phone to see if I got a text from H.
3. I can concentrate on me, healing, moving forward, getting stronger.
4. Stops me from constantly trying to check the oven to see where H is in the cooking process.
5. Keeps 'expectations' in check....no contact means for me 'no expectations'.
6. Allows H to focus on himself without having the 'pressure' of me and any expectations I am inadvertently placing upon him.
7. Removes me from the drama of H's crisis
8. Helps prevent 'cycling'

The cons of no contact:
I'm not sure there are too many cons of 'no contact' but these are some of the things I'm scared will happen if I do go 'no contact'

1. I don't want H to think that I'm abandoning him....I'm not.
2. I want him to know that there is a way back for him.
3. I want to support him and show compassion and patience.
4. If I cut contact I'm afraid it will throw him into deeper depression and possibly into more destructive behaviors such as increased alcohol intake and finding OW/s.

The question I am asking myself is if I am able to have contact with H, showing him compassion, support and patience whilst keeping my own expectations low AND being able to heal and move foward. It's a tricky juggling act and I'm not sure I can do BOTH at the same time.




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« Last Edit: April 16, 2017, 06:38:59 PM by Mae »
Me: 50
H: 40
S19, D15
Together for 19 years
BDay in 2004, 2011 and now March 5 2017
Ran away on 5 March BD
No OW
Returned home 'underdone' 1 July 2017.
Left again 22 October 2017.
H - Silent and non-communicative

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Re: Now that I'm here again.....
#3: April 17, 2017, 01:27:31 AM
Hi Mae,

Welcome to your new thread.

As I read your pro's and con's, it struck me that all the con's are about your H, whereas all the pro's are about you.  It looks to me like you feel NC is best for you but are worried still about H's reaction.  My thoughts are, this time really needs to be about YOU and what is best for you.  I have never gone NC with my H so I am not saying that is best, but I am saying, you need to take this time to heal and grow.  You can't keep doing the same things you've done before, it has left you in the same spot you've been at, in the past.  Do things for you.  Rediscover yourself.  What makes you joyful, what makes you sad, about yourself.  Work on being the best Mae you can be.

And if you need to go NC to do that, so be it.  Learn about yourself.  Who are you, not as your H's wife, but as Mae?  Your H is on a journey and needs to fully understand himself, or he will just keep getting stuck and repeating this behavior, as he already has.  Drop the rope, Mae, and find who you are.  I can tell you, it has been my blessing to do this.

I wish you well!
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"And once the storm is over, you won't remember how you made it through; how you managed to survive.  You won't even be sure if the storm is really over.  But one thing is certain; when you come out of the storm, you won't be the same person that walked in...that's what this storm is all about."

"The trick is to enjoy life.  Don't wish away your days, waiting for better ones."

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Re: Now that I'm here again.....
#4: April 17, 2017, 02:26:29 AM
Oh good observation Noex.....still in a quandry about it...feel a bit stuck but know I need to shift the focus back to me.

Thanks for the support.
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BDay in 2004, 2011 and now March 5 2017
Ran away on 5 March BD
No OW
Returned home 'underdone' 1 July 2017.
Left again 22 October 2017.
H - Silent and non-communicative

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Re: Now that I'm here again.....
#5: April 17, 2017, 02:56:22 AM
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M 40
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He moved out May 21,2017
Ow 41( his 1st cousin) moved her in May 23, 2017, she went back to her husband Oct 2017
Ow moved back with her 2 kids Jan 1 2018 even with courts cutting his visitation with his kids because of it
Ow moved out again Dec 2019 and is back with her husband Jan 2020
T-19 yr M-14 yrs
S14 & D88
BD  February 12 2017 & April 22 2017 (signs of MLC since 2015)
I filed for divorce June 2 2017 for protection- final hearing on our 20th anniversary (July 11,2018) divorce was final August 9, 2018

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Re: Now that I'm here again.....
#6: April 17, 2017, 06:19:33 AM
Mae,

I agree with No Ex 100%.

If going NC was helping you heal, it surely must be the right choice.

I don't honestly think any of your con's are valid.  They are too much about your fears, not cons. 
You can't fear how he will react to NC.  It's for you.
How he reacts is on him.
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"From my experience if my H had let me go a long time ago, and stop pressuring me, begging, and pleading and just let go I possibly would have experienced my awakening sooner than I did."

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Re: Now that I'm here again.....
#7: April 17, 2017, 08:17:37 AM
Thanks for that Thunder, that is what I needed to hear.....couldn't see it myself.
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H: 40
S19, D15
Together for 19 years
BDay in 2004, 2011 and now March 5 2017
Ran away on 5 March BD
No OW
Returned home 'underdone' 1 July 2017.
Left again 22 October 2017.
H - Silent and non-communicative

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Re: Now that I'm here again.....
#8: April 17, 2017, 10:23:52 PM
Mae, I will be constructing a list of my own this week because I am in the same boat.  I've just had BD 3 but there is an OW so it should be an easier decision for me but it isn't.  Here's the thing, what I did last time did 'work' because we got back together.  His crisis happened again but would that have happened anyway? Or more precisely, if I had been harder last time would I have prevented this? (while still getting the relationship).  Do I now regret the way I handled it because of where we are at now - NO
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Re: Now that I'm here again.....
#9: April 18, 2017, 05:14:38 PM
Mae, I will be constructing a list of my own this week because I am in the same boat.  I've just had BD 3 but there is an OW so it should be an easier decision for me but it isn't.  Here's the thing, what I did last time did 'work' because we got back together.  His crisis happened again but would that have happened anyway? Or more precisely, if I had been harder last time would I have prevented this? (while still getting the relationship).  Do I now regret the way I handled it because of where we are at now - NO

Hmmm yes quite similar hopeandfaith. I did no contact after BD#2 for probably 3-4 weeks....was very effective (although difficult at first).....in terms of my own healing but after the no-contact period H quickly wanted to come home again. H hasn't got OW to complicate things....if he did it would not only be no contact but no marriage period. How do you cope with OW being in the mix? Do you think of her as a 'symptom', 'a fix'?



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Me: 50
H: 40
S19, D15
Together for 19 years
BDay in 2004, 2011 and now March 5 2017
Ran away on 5 March BD
No OW
Returned home 'underdone' 1 July 2017.
Left again 22 October 2017.
H - Silent and non-communicative

 

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