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#30: August 12, 2011, 05:06:22 PM
Lisa,

Like I said before...This is the way that works for you...and there is nothing wrong with that.
It is afterall what you can handle...

Limit,

I think if our H's or W's are treating us with disrespect, of course there is no way of sitting there and "taking" it.
being a friend "at the right time" for what works for you. This is what matters.

but, in here...I believe, some are still holding onto the bitterness of what "they" have done.

It's realizing...THEY did it to themselves. THEY are the ones that WILL ultimatly MEET their maker...right?
In the end, ALL of us who judge, cheat..become evil people..WE all will have to reap what we sow.
I do not need to judge my H for HIS choices. this is up to God and HIM. no one else.

SO learning to let go of that is important...Just my .02 here again.
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Re: Friendhsip and your MLCer
#31: August 12, 2011, 05:11:10 PM
Synicca,

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It's realizing...THEY did it to themselves. THEY are the ones that WILL ultimatly MEET their maker...right?
In the end, ALL of us who judge, cheat..become evil people..WE all will have to reap what we sow.
I do not need to judge my H for HIS choices. this is up to God and HIM. no one else.

Very well said.
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Re: Friendhsip and your MLCer
#32: August 12, 2011, 05:12:25 PM
Syn,
Yes.  I certainly see what you mean.
Actually, during our entire marriage....I was the one to hold onto anger and resentment.  (And he provided plenty of reasons for me to be angry).

I guess if there is one thing that I have learned through this entire mess - is that I had to learn to let go of things.  Not hold them inside me.  Let go of the anger.  Let go of the hurt.  Let go of the resentment.

RCR writes about the LBS taking the crisis personally - and that we need to NOT take it personnally.  (I'm sure DGU knows which article this comes from).   ;)

When I start to feel anger at what he's done - I think about the fact that I am taking it personally.

You are so right.   They do this to themselves.  We are collateral damage...but truly they do this to themselves.

As Stayed so aptly puts is "I'd rather be the LBS than the MLCer ANY DAY."

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Re: Friendhsip and your MLCer
#33: August 12, 2011, 05:23:38 PM
And I think...THAT is the first step to "letting go" Its really accepting that THEY did this to themselves.
NOT us...Yes, it hurts, yes it tears apart our children...and that SUCKS!

but, we can choose to let it define us or not...anger is a horrible thing if you allow it to turn into resentment.
and it changes you...resentment changes who you are...the very core of your spirit. and we shouldnt do that.
God doesnt want us to be full of resentment. he wants us to be in peace. Finding it is the hard part...taking the
first step is even harder...but it can be done.
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Re: Friendhsip and your MLCer
#34: August 12, 2011, 07:21:58 PM
Fabulous topic.  This is something that gets "skirted around" here but not often directly addressed.

Of course, every LBS's sitch is different and it's hard to make generalizations about this but, for me, I've found that the kinder I am to my H, the kinder he is to me.   It's almost spooky how that's the case for me.

Syn, I agree with you that the MLCer is "ordained" to take this journey, that they must work on the issues that are unresolved in their lives, or the unprocessed pain/depression, and that's what the MLC is all about. 

As LBSers all we can do is get out of their way and not pursue or pressure.  That's why letting the MLCer set the pace completely on contact is so crucial.   They feel so out of control (despite what they say) in their lives that anything that gives them a sense that they're in control (like when and if they contact their spouse/family) helps them calm themselves.  At least that's what I observe with my H.

I almost never initiate contact with my H since he left to live with OW 7 months ago.  He, however, contacts me every 3 - 4 weeks.  We see each other once or twice a month (lunch, coffee, he comes to the house for a visit, etc.)   

It helps that he & OW are living 90 miles from me so I don't have to run into him/them and our only child's an adult (D22) so there's no custody stuff.  H & D talk on the phone, not frequently, but more than H and I do.  She refuses to visit him at this time because she disapproves of what he's doing (she's made this very clear to him) and she doesn't like the OW but she does talk with her F with some regularity.

When H and I are together I try to be warm, cordial, mirroring, affirming and to listen and reflect what he's saying.  I give no advice, make no editorial comments, no R talk, and OW is not discussed by either of us.  In fact, I act like she doesn't exist. 

I say nothing negative to H, even when I'm angry.  For example, he's recently told me he won't be able to afford to pay his half of our D's grad school tuition for this semester (something he agreed to do in our settlement agreement.)  He told me he'd have to owe me the money.  I simply said, "I understand.  I know you're good for it."  What I really wanted to say was "You and OW just bought a 54 foot boat to live on and you're telling me you can't afford $5,000 for your daughter's education!!! You a** h***!"

I only ask questions about his work and health and not very many of those.  He, on the other hand, almost grills me (in a friendly way) on what I'm doing.  He's like a man who's been wandering in the desert and has found an oasis.  He wants to know everything I'm doing and asks lots of questions, in a nice way.  I'm working very hard at GALing so there's always a lot to tell.  He seems a bit stunned in fact by all I'm up to.

As time goes on H is becoming warmer to me.  The last time I saw him (three weeks ago) he asked just before he left if he could "have a hug."  It was the first time we'd hugged in 7 months.  Last week, for the first time since he left 7 months ago, he came by the house unannounced (I think he was checking up on me, to see if the changes he sees when he visits are "real.")   Luckily I was on my way out to a lunch date, (had makeup on and was dressed up a bit.http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)   So I had to apologize that I couldn't visit with him.  His excuse for coming by was to drop off some mail that had been mistakenly ended up being forwarded to him.  The "mail" was advertisements! 

So by being kind, not confronting him, not reminding him of how unhappy he's made me, not acknowledging OW, not taking any "bait" he puts out (the tuition issue may have been an attempt on his part to button push) I feel I'm showing H that I accept him and that he can trust me.  It's counter intuitive that's for sure, but, as I've heard said somewhere, "Would you rather be right or be married?"

MLC doesn't last forever, that I do believe.  I can (I hope and pray!) endure his behavior because I believe there's hope of reconciliation and, if that happens, he will eventually deeply regret his current choices and actions.  His "right mind" will return.  That's my hope anyway.

And I agree that unconditional love should be our goal.  It's one of the changes I'm having to really look at in myself.  I took so much for granted in my marriage and I can see, with the clarity of hindsight, that my behavior was often cruel and selfish to my H (yes, I was no angel!) 

Change is what the MLC journey is about and not only for the MLCer but for us, the LBSs, too.  If we can keep the "unconditionals" as our guides, I believe we'll be better off, whatever the outcome of our sitchs.

My rant for the evening!

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Re: Friendhsip and your MLCer
#35: August 12, 2011, 10:11:36 PM
Like everyone else, I find this a good topic. I know during our marriage when all we were "normal", hed often say that he didnt beleive that that when a couple broke up they could be friends untill a long time later.

 BUT, now he feels WE CAN be friends and I think thats cos I make it wasy for him. I dont fight, nag, argue, pry, condemn. I just smile, set my boundary of no sex while he is having sex with someone else. This made him decide he wasnt going to ask to stay over anymore


I think its easier for me becos we dont have children together. The legal paperwork is signed . He cried when he did his side. Couldnt do it for ages as he said it hurt too much.

I dont see him as my friend or vice versa. I also see him as my husband.I think he sees me as his friend becos Im friendly and supportive and dont criticise.He told his parents we are getting on really well..AMAZING..LOL..he really believes that becos of my positive veneer.

Maybe our H's/W's see us as friends becos we are supportive and non threatening and they know us well? I will always be open to contact as long as my H respects me and doesnt talk about any OW he may have. I dont want to know anything that can feed my imagination. Its bad enough already !

I have to stand back and let him fall . Cant pick him up and kiss him better. I know he only has around $1200 left and has not job yet and hasnt looked for one. Yes, Im worried and perhaps he may try asking for a loan...but I cant be THAT type of friend. Still too early for that. He needs to support right himself now. THings ma change but this stage is vital for him. ..and for ME!!
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Re: Friendhsip and your MLCer
#36: August 13, 2011, 02:52:55 AM
I just wanted to touch on the word anger.   Not the resentful, spewing, restless, rage but pure anger - closely linked to assertiveness.

When my H changes agreed boundaries, then I am angry at the situation.  Not necessarily at him but at the situation.  I want to be honest with him so I let him know that this isn't appropriate. Actually, he usually understands and is more respectful to me when I'm clear with him.
That for me is assertiveness.  I see nothing wrong with being angry any more than I see there is anything wrong with being sad or happy. I also tell him when I've naffed up.  That's honesty.  (I don't like naffing up but that's another story!! ;D)
So what I've learnt from MLC, being in it myself no doubt as the LBS, is that I need to respect myself.  It has helped me know when to respect my H too and when I've got it wrong and have to own up.  The best friend I can have at the moment, is myself.
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Re: Friendhsip and your MLCer
#37: August 13, 2011, 02:53:58 AM
I am a friend to Dearheart. 

I am a friend to many people though.  He is not my best friend as he once was, nor is he my confidante as he once was.

I support my friends through their worst times of their lives.  A friend through drugs, dearheart through MLc and another friend through his affairing down.  I don't like their behaviour and try not  to condone it but I don't leave them either. 

I know I am the black sheep here LOL.  I see things differently to many.  You need to do what is right for you.  NC works for you great.  Wanna sleep with your H as long as you know how it is, FABULOUS.
Trouble for me started when I thoughti would follow the LBS hand book.  I stopped doing what had been "working" for me for what I was being told to do.  because hey what would i know?
I was doing EVERYTHING wrong according to everyone and so I tried to stop listening to my intuition and I was pulled back into line quick smart.  For those who don't believe that's fine, for those who think I am crazy that's ok, oddly enough I'm happy.  I FEEL that I'm doing the right thing.  And believe me I really was pulled back into line.  It was obvious, very obvious that i was not doing what i was meant to.

We all look at each other in amazement.
We wonder how another person does something.
We are each guided to deal with our crisis as we should.  Simple as that.

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Re: Friendhsip and your MLCer
#38: August 13, 2011, 07:22:18 AM
Shantilly,

Your not the only black sheep!! LOL!!!

I am the same way...I have listened to my intuition...When I dont. I get a big slap in the face. There is some things
we have to do in our OWN sitches that make "sense" to US.

Some may never want to touch base with their MLCers for doing what they do...but I am a firm believer
that my H is not of right mind and body...and I cant be angry at him for that.

He is being pulled into things that are evil and discouraging...but I know my H loves me and would die for me
right now...I know this..and that is enough.

You have to beable to work through the anger in order to find peace.
Anger is a good thing....only if it drives you to become a better person, and not some resentful creature
who hates people and wishes this never happened.

You can't move forward living in the WRONG kind of anger. Unconditional love is key.
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« Last Edit: August 13, 2011, 07:37:21 AM by synicca »
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OW moved out 03/11
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H Blocked xOW from contacting Him 10/12
Ended ALL contact with xOW Dec 26th 2012 (So I thought!) I filed for D June 10th 2013
Moved out.

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Re: Friendhsip and your MLCer
#39: August 13, 2011, 07:33:37 AM
 Three Black Sheep.
 I think my H has completely lost the ability to communicate. I know he has LOW SELF Esteem. When I let go an  "I love you"   later a few days later I'll apologize slightly and ask "I should stop saying I love you and miss you Right?"
     He always says..." No NO It's OK."
     LG laughs. Stop telling him you love him... LOL  OK one of these days.
 I love what you both said Syn and Shant.  and Shant oh yeah  When you say DearHeart....I think of BraveHeart! :)
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