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#260: October 16, 2011, 09:33:49 PM
Yes I feel kind of silly...as I kept reading the article it kind of explained that.

But I guess when the OW notices that H and I aren't as close I would just think that she would be
relieved and happy and not be so jealous cause in her mind "I am gone"
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Re: The Alienator??? Many questions.....
#261: October 16, 2011, 10:35:33 PM
cfh,

For a 'normal', healthy relationship, your concerns are rational and valid. It does seem they are happily setting up a new life.

However, the foundation of the R is lies, betrayal, pity poor me parties, and they are amped up by drama, drama, and more drama. Where the drama comes from seems to vary, but the first favorite is a spouse and children. The affair partners control each other through a cycle of fear, anxiety, bonding and relief. Add in the confusion, fear, and run away life of an MLCer, you will see what seems to be forward movement in the A. BUT, the movement is an attempt to maintain status quo, and/or a giving in to manipulation.

How far will they go? Or allow themselves to be controlled? IDK.

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Re: The Alienator??? Many questions.....
#262: October 17, 2011, 06:11:13 AM
why doesn't OW see...
I remember reading the article as well, and it is all true. I had written a letter to OW about how our marriage was strong, and there were many people that were hurt over their relationship. I didn't yell or criticize her, but the letter detailed my love for H over the years, and how he was going through something right now. Her response was that i was "eloquent" but in "obvious despair" and that i needed to "muster all the strength i had to get through what was to come"
In other words: she didn't care to see he might be in a temporary emotional imbalance right now (she sees what she wants to see)
                        she didn't care that I was hurt or that children and family were getting hurt (selfish)
                        she was convinced that she had him (her ego. She needed him and at that point, she felt secure that she had him)
My H was attracted to (1) her supposed confidence and (2) her need to be saved from a loveless marriage and boring husband (knight/hero)
My H thought she was perfect (at first), but when I responded like the article said, (a confident, detached stander), her predictions were shattered. My H started to see that she might not be right about everything. Maybe she's not so smart.

 I shed light on their relationship and talked about it like it was a case study of a naughty child. She was taken aback. That's not was i was suppose to do. She started to get insecure. I started to make predictions that DID come true: I told H that she will make demands and ask to be taken care of (to which he selfishly responded, "what? who's going to take care of ME???)  and that she would try to keep him out of our house (she did, and she became more frantic and angry if she found out he came into the house, or worse, slept here); and that he wouldn't be able to confide in her, for fear of her reaction (true, and she flipped out at him and insulted our kids too). I merely stayed calm.

Yesterday, I asked H what he saw in her, and all he can say now was that he stopped thinking altogether, and no matter what his "little voice" or well-meaning friends would say, he either ignored the statements or heard a twisted version of the advice. For example, a co-worker warned him that OW was "ripe" for an affair. H took it to mean she was hot for him. Co-worker was warning him that she was trouble. H sees that now, but he said back then, that's not what he understood.
Another male friend said, "why did you seek out OW? Everyone gets lonely and frustrated at times. Next time you feel like you are in a marriage rut, just call me and hang out at a sports bar with me." H heard that friend understood why he was unhappy and needed an escape and implied that he supported H's actions. Friend was so angry at my H's interpretation that he didn't speak to him until we reconciled. And  my female friend said to him "You need to make a decision. You've got three beautiful girls at home that love you." She said that H snottily replied, "what, are you going to make that decision for me?" He said TO ME that my friend actually said, "do whatever makes you happy." :o My friend said, "he's messed up. Did I have a conversation with someone else???" She also cut him off until we reconciled.

OW also was caught in lies. OW's main complaint of me is that i "didn't work" and mooched off of my H. She said I spent too much. The problem with that, is that I am a budgeter. I look for deals, and I hardly spend any money on myself. So H tried very hard to justify her comment. He claimed that her home expenses were only $2000 per month (according to her). Hun, I explained, taxes in that county alone are 2K a month. What about car insurance, college expenses, phones, heat, electric, food, after-school activities, clothes and her penchant for traveling? We live in an expensive state. In our neck of the woods, a middle class family is strapped if they can keep the expenses down to 4K a month, and that's for the most frugal of families. I remember he insisted she was telling the truth, but numbers don't lie. At around this point, his cousin called family members and begged them to help H get away from manipulative OW.

Ok, so my point is that H did NOT see the truth, even when someone spoke plainly. OW was manipulative type. I believe she found her own H that way, but lost respect for him over the years. She seeks out the same type of man over and over. Her view of what love is is incorrect, and she will never be happy. The two were VERY selfish and toward the end, the mistrust and "what-have-you-done-for-me-lately" attitude cracked their seemingly perfect relationship. At one point she yelled at him "you might not be a strong enough man for me!!!" I on the other hand, offered support for his troubled mind. So I became the refuge and escape to a volatile relationship.

Today OW feels H wronged her. OW feels foolish of course, because she told everyone at work she had my H and they had a future together. Just yesterday, H said to me that OW just wanted someone to fall back on when she asked for the divorce. That she'd been talking about it for years, but not until she knew she "had" my H would she actually go through with it. H said that OW didn't love him (maybe she doesn't know how to, he acknowledges) and that she was ultimately the insecure one, not me. That in sharp contrast to what she predicted I would do, I turned out to be the secure, strong one that loved him for him and not for what he was needed for.


It takes a certain spouse to give in to MLC and a certain OW to be waiting in the wings to take advantage of it.

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Re: The Alienator??? Many questions.....
#263: October 17, 2011, 06:30:20 AM
Angel,

wow, are we married to the same man??  LOL or atleast are our H's were/with the same OW...jeeeze!

My H's OW said all that same stuff about me....and well, my H would get furious at everyone for disliking OW..
like it was their fault NOT H's...lol


its all so very crazy, and I am glad your H seen through it...mine is seeing the truth now....NOT all of it..but most anyway :D
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Re: The Alienator??? Many questions.....
#264: October 17, 2011, 06:49:30 AM

I have a question for anyone who might have an answer?  I keep hearing these OW are controlling and manipulative.
My H says she is a nice person, a good mother even though she lost custody of her son 14 years ago.  Is it possible for the MLCers to not see what type of person they are with?  Could he be in denial about her?  So far I don't see any evidence
of her being insecure at all.  When H is with my S she doesn't call or text H like I read on this forum.  They have been together for a little over a year and I would think she would have let her guard down by now.  My H refers himself as the
King of his house now! (wierd)  He told our S no one is going to tell him what to do in his house. (He's become very controlling)  So maybe his OW because of the way he is now and all his lies about me saying I was controlling ect.,  maybe she is letting him be King
and he controls her.  I don't know.  She may be to afraid to act controlling around him for fear he would get rid of her which he told me about 2 months ago if she ever became controlling or manipulative he would get rid of her.   It just makes me wonder.  Anyone have any thoughts?

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Re: The Alienator??? Many questions.....
#265: October 17, 2011, 07:09:27 AM
NB...you asked the exact question I am trying to understand as well.
I hear that OW is nice and very quiet and lets H make all the decisions and is not controlling.
But we have no idea what is going on behind closed doors. We only know what they want us to see.

I have noticed the texts and visits have almost disappeared and the distance from me has been in stages so it's like she tells him one thing and then he complies and then she waits for a bit and then the next thing comes so I can see it's her pulling all the strings but men would never admit that they allow a woman to tell them what to do- so my guess is lies, lies and more lies!!!!

But my H is the same- nobody tells him what to do so I wonder if she even tried he would be furious...so yes the question remains. Are some OW's not controlling???? or is it just their nature and H goes along even if it's not in their personality to do so?? Think I know the answer but yes NB looking for some feedback as well on that one!
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Re: The Alienator??? Many questions.....
#266: October 17, 2011, 07:16:37 AM
From RCR's article Woman Scorned Part II

"If you trust the process of MLC and that infidelity does not yield secure relationships, you will not be fooled, but many are easily fooled. Have faith in the process."
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Re: The Alienator??? Many questions.....
#267: October 17, 2011, 07:22:25 AM
 NB and Crazy4Him , I thought that when our Hs do the 180 and are completely different people than we knew , they attract someone of the opposite sex to mirror their sh**ty self worth.     Some mess that actually looks up to them in such a low state.  :o  To me , right now,  my H looks like a psych patient. Running all over claiming to be looking for work. He's not. Claims he got a job. (if his DMV abstract is fixed) etc etc    :o
 I used to laugh in his face. Not any more. I just listen. OW Bowser must listen and think :o :o :o  I thought this cute guy had his act together. Maybe just his W has her act together. He's a mess but she STILL LOOKS UP TO HIM!!    At least he has a car,tv,cable,phones, 401k, health insurance and a wife and kids!!!!  Hello? NB we shouldn't worry about OP.  They hang out with them bc "it's easy to be around people you don't care about!!"       (I think that's one of the things LGs MadHatter said once)  Makes sense. :)
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Re: The Alienator??? Many questions.....
#268: October 17, 2011, 07:33:03 AM

Mamma ~ True, that makes sense.  She is a low life skank and I'm not just saying that because she is with my H.  She truly has that reputation in their town.   It makes me laugh that these MLCers pick these low life woman to validate them, to be their Knight and Shining Armour.  They are low lifes.  Who cares.  I would be embarrassed to be with someone like that yet it makes them feel wonderful when these OW validate them.   It is just plain crazy how they think.  :o  I guess thats because they truly are crazy right now.  Now I know why when the articles say when they wake up and realize what they have done, look at who they are with and the fact that they chose to abandon their family for this person, some just can't handle what they have done.  I really have a feeling that my H is going to be one of those.  The thought of that scares me.  Only time will tell. 

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Re: The Alienator??? Many questions.....
#269: October 17, 2011, 07:54:52 AM
DGU...I believe I am one of the ones who have been easily fooled!!! Shame on me.
I am trying to trust the process and my gut feelings that H still loves me.
Mama, you seem to get more information from your H on your R. I know every sitch is different but my H
talks about everything but his R's (with me and the OW). It is either business or small talk.

I got a text this morning- "So did you watch the Walking Dead last night?" WTF
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