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#100: November 12, 2011, 03:35:22 AM
Well said HB and although I know that all of this is written out in so many places here on the boards it is nice to hear you say it again.

I know that it is tedious for you to keep repeating yourself and I totally understand that part.
But know that your words do have a great effect on so many.

I will repeat something I wrote to you a while ago too.

"No you are not a legend but what you wrote is truly legendary"

I think that we are making great strides here with MLC and identifying different contact types.
Jim Conway started the ball rolling and I truly believe that we are keeping it going.
There is so much to learn that it really can be mind boggling.
I know that your understanding is truly amazing.

Anyways thanks for driving by, and I agree with others that it is nice to hear from you every once in a while.  I really believe there is nothing wrong with that.

(((((((HUGS)))))))) to you my friend.
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Re: MLC'ers are not the enemy
#101: November 12, 2011, 07:02:17 AM
HB-

Its so nice to see your posts again, I truly hope they continue..:) I have missed your words of wisdom and often prayed for your return here..

I love everything you wrote..It makes perfect sense. Always does to me.

Anyway, I do wish you well, Miss you!

Many many hugs!
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Re: MLC'ers are not the enemy
#102: November 12, 2011, 07:33:43 AM
Thank you so, so much HB, your post helps more than I could have hoped for and it made me quite tearful, actually. If you don't mind I am going to copy and paste into a file so that I can read it a few more times and clearly understand all that you are saying.

You really are an amazing person with incredible insight into MLC and also into human nature. Thank you and God Bless!!
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Re: MLC'ers are not the enemy
#103: November 12, 2011, 10:20:08 AM
Wow HB

"No you are not a legend but what you wrote is truly legendary"


Truly eyeopening and something I really needed to read and re-read...this is truly helping me get to a point where I want to be in MY journey...

Thanks HB for your truly inspiring words  :)
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#104: November 12, 2011, 03:20:55 PM
HB, it is great to read you. If you don’t mind, I would like to hear your opinion on the below.
Like SD I’m divorced in all but paper. Husband left over 5 years ago, has been a vanisher for 3.5 years and we have not seen each other since , except one and briefly (it was a social ocassion), and hardly talk. And when de do it is because of legal/taxes issues. I’m not letting husband get the easy divorce he wanted in which I get nothing and he gets all. I will divorce, no problem with that, but I will make sure all the law grants I will get.

For me he lives with OW2 and, even if they are not married on the paper, it is the same as if they were. He is sharing a daily life with someone else. Anyway, I doubt he will marry OW2 or anyone. He always said he would never remarry, except if it was with me.

He never lived with OW1. Never set up home with her so, there is a difference. I can’t see what is the difference of being legally married with the affair parter or just, set up home, make a life and live with the affair partner for years on end. There has already been bought in another person, that other person family and can of worms was already opened and the underlying problem is already been made worse. If  an MCLer will share a several years life and new house with the affair partner it is the same as being married to the affair partner.  If they had just lived together for, say, 6 months, that would had been one thing. But almost 3 years? That is a marriage but for the paper.    

I know that, once we will be divorced I’m the one that will be free. Actually, I’m already the one who is free. The only thing in what I do not have enough freedom until we’re divorces, is financially (husband wiped clean our bank accounts and has been refusing to pay alimony) but when divorce come what is my by law will have to be given back. Dare to say that this is the reason why he gets those nuts fault divorce process against me, he knows money if the only thing he has to “hold” me. Once that is sorted out I’m gone. Well, I’m already gone but that is still that little detail.

Yes, is a MCLer chooses not to return it is their loss. Even if, we know, sometimes they just return when it is too late.                

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Re: MLC'ers are not the enemy
#105: November 12, 2011, 03:30:56 PM
Anne - I wish there was a "like" button   :)
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Re: MLC'ers are not the enemy
#106: November 12, 2011, 03:45:02 PM
Thanks, Gutted.  :)

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Re: MLC'ers are not the enemy
#107: November 12, 2011, 04:50:22 PM
Hello Anne,

I can't say I blame you for making it hard on your husband in regards to the divorce HE wants; yet, from what you're describing, he seems to be wanting to "tie" you to him, keeping you on the side until he's ready to return IF and when he ever reaches that point.
He took all of the money for his own selfish purposes, and is intent on tying you to him in the financial aspect, so you'll always be dependent upon him; classic MLC controlling tactics.

He refuses to pay his alimony; because that might actually help you to get away from him; and again this is a controlling tactic; most MLC'ers don't care if their spouse survives or not; and won't hesitate to cut their legs out from underneath them; this is the state of mind they get into in various aspects.

The crisis, of course, is all about them; and they are intent on coming out ahead regardless of the cost; and this kind of entitlement has cost many a MLC'er their lives; most especially when they "wake up" and realize what they've done; and all is lost to them.

Your husband may be one of the ones who "wakes up" later and sees his total loss; only it would be too late to try and make any amends for the damage he's done.   OR, he may be one of the ones who continues to exist within the tunnel of the crisis for the rest of his life....this is why there are no guarantees as to how the crisis will resolve; if, indeed, it does.

You take a chance when you choose to stand; but I also know, and this depends on how your intuition guides you; there can come a time later; once a few years have come and gone; you may receive instruction to begin to forge a different path that leads AWAY from your MLC spouse.

You would have a really good idea if this is the right thing to do; as you would know the situation as it stands at the time your intuition began to deal with and guide you in this fashion.

Now, the time spent standing(even if the marriage doesn't make it through the crisis) is NOT wasted, as long as you used it wisely and to your benefit.

The individual journey that's taken to wholeness and healing still needs to be walked, regardless; this is what I know to be true; otherwise, you'll find yourself in these circumstances once again; only your "lot" becomes harder the next time around.

Anyway back to your husband; his actions are very wrong and controlling for him to be that selfish; he's assuming that you'll just go right along with everything he wants; even to the point of having him back when he's done dallying around....and you know whatever you choose to do is your choice; NOT his; but he's about to find this out, as you represent one of many possibilities; apparently you've decided the he's gone too far with his antics; and you no longer love him; nor want him to return to you.

Just so you know, it's NOT uncommon for a MLC'er to live with the affair partner without marrying them for up to 10 years or longer; whether they divorce their existing spouse or not.

In your case, your husband is NOT "common law" married to his existing OW; simply because he's NOT legally divorced from you  just yet.  He's still committing adultery against you; regardless of how he or anyone else may see it.

When it comes down to brass tacks, it doesn't matter now what his intentions are or will be;  you've made up your mind to kick him to the curb forever once the divorce is final; so now, it only matters how YOU plan to focus on yourself in the future.   That's all that really matters at this point; once you've got your financial affairs in order.

Whether you choose to go on with your plans or choose to continue to stand is up to you; but I've sensed several times within your posts that you're actually "done" with him and the marriage; and no hope remains nor love remains within your heart for him.

However your future path may turn out, may God continue to guide your way, light your path; and help you to find a lasting peace; your husband's choices are NOT your fault; and it is unfortunate that you must step to the place to lawfully force him to do what is right by you, his wife.

Yet, this is an example of consequences MLC'ers must face if they are too stubborn to do what the right action is concerning their spouse.  We know that if you wish to have another relationship the right thing to do is to let your spouse know, end the relationship properly, process what it was within you that chose to end the relationship; THEN think about getting into another.

Yet, because of their clear selfishness, MLC'ers will do their best to stack and deck in their favor; and if their schemes backfire; resulting in them being completely alone, with no one to be with, this is consequences THEY must face; even if it means the loss of the spouse they tried to not only leave behind; but keep on the side while they pursue their selfish agendas.

In spite of how my situation turned out; I have tried really hard to understand; and get a good grasp of the flip side of the equation; even to the point of asking God to help me understand more.

I hope that what I've written may help you, Anne; I refuse to judge people who choose to walk away from they feel is a point of no return.   I don't advise it; but on the other hand, I don't judge it, either.

There are some aspects of MLC that I haven't walked; but watched closely over time; and I've seen so many different possibilities this could reach a possible ending of a sort.  You aren't the first one I've seen that has decided to stop standing for personal reasons...whether it be because the damage is too much; the MLC'er seems to be very deeply ensconced within their affair,  the MLC'er has taken all of the money; and left the LBS destitute not caring if they lived or died, as long as the MLC'er's agendas were met, having gotten the OW pregnant, or even contracted a sexually transmitted disease, or the MLC'er has vanished for a VERY LONG TIME, and all hope was exhausted in that aspect. 
There's more, but it would take me all night to list them all.

What I do know is this: each person's path is as individual as the person walking it, just as the issues that plague the MLC'er are as individual as the crisis they are facing that is tailored to their individual circumstances.   One other thing; each LBS KNOWS their MLC spouse better than anyone...and though the Lord may give me various things to say; I don't see all and everything; and it's NOT up to me to actually "tell" someone what to do; I can only put out my opinion, and speak my mind. 
What one does after that, is up to THEM, not me. :)

Love and hugs to you, Anne  :)  You're a very strong lady; and you'll be just fine, regardless of what happens going forward.  :)

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Re: MLC'ers are not the enemy
#108: November 12, 2011, 05:12:25 PM
Hello HB,

I did not make it hard, on purpose, on my husband for us to divorce. Before he left, when he begin talking about wanting to divorce (for, by then, no reason In could see why), after BD and during OW1, I thought it was all too hasty. Even if he had already took all our money. When he begun with is divorce papers, first a “friendly” one where I would get nothing that he knew was nothing but blackmail and unacceptable, he rund to court and served me a fault divorce case. My lawyer and I did not contest that one. We let it die. It did die, we remained divorced, I filled for temporary alimony and support. Husband contest it and come along with a second fault divorce process against me, that is still running, even if, so far, no hearing has happened and even if, like first time around, he cannot provide the court with a single evidence of what he claims.

Yes, from what I get he wants to “tie” me to him. The exact same thing he says he does not want,  to be tied to me at all. Of course I know the “I will never give you any money” is him wanting to be in control and that, that is the only thing he has left.

The funny thing is that he did not wanted me to be dependent on him. Of course not. Only if he was the one wanting to have me under his control. Yes, I also know that he refuses to pay alimony because, otherwise, I, not only may, but really will, get away from him. And, of course, once again, that is control. And, also, once again that is funny. He does not want to have a thing to do with me, so, why on earth does he minds that I go away? Why does he spends so much time, energy and money fighting in court a person he does not want or care about? Because, well… he is attached. Ironically he is the one that as not let go.

Once more, of course, you are to the point, they intent to come out ahead regardless of the cost. I agree, this type of situation can cost them their lives. The ones that take it to this extreme are the one, I think, that run the risk of trying to kill themselves if/when they come to realize what they have done.

Always knew my husband would be the type that would “wake up” too late. He is the sort of person that does learn with his mistakes but only when he totally falls flat on the floor. Must say I have a little concern he may forever get stuck into the tunnel…

In my case, situations, and personal choices, since after a couple of years from the beginning of the crisis, started taking me in a path that leads away from my husband.

Yes, the intuition thing is very right. No, no, the time spend standing (even if the marriage does not survive) is of uttermost importance. Should say it was really fundamental. Including all the mistakes I did during the standing, both regarding husband and my personal things.

My husband has really been doing a lot o extremely wrong and controlling things and, yes, I believe he thinks he can come back in the end, as if nothing had happened. I not going along with his divorce plans, where he gets it all, was a hugely upsetting to him.

Yes, he has gone to far (at least that is my current position) to be back. I love him. In the sense of the fondness you have for an old friend that has choose all the wrongs paths and done all the wrong things. But I don’t think it makes any sense to have him back after all this. Setting up a home and life with OW2 and the second court case against me were going to far. Yes, I know, he is in MLC and he is on the middle of a deep depression, with huge chemical unbalances in his brain and maybe hormonal changes as well. He is forgived but in no way I condone his actions.

I know he is in no “common law” marriage with OW2. And yes, he is still commiting adultery. So, legally he is giving me a very good reason for a fault divorce. And he is making it easy, he said that the address he presented the court, in his second divorce was the one of his current “companion”. Really, current companion? A still married man?...Yes, he may want me to be upset with that. Or OW2 may be a narcissist that needs to show me that she exists…Whatever the option, I left it to my lawyer to deal with it. Did not make husband a single question nor talked to him about the situation.

I already know what I’m going to do in terms of personal projects when the divorce is final and my financial affairs are in order. And I don’t mean in terms of having a boyfriend or remarry, I mean real personal projects. They involve research in a few topics I’m interested in that also are connected with my family history.

With the marriage I’m totally done. With him as current husband as well. I may not, in the future, not be done with him as a friend. But that is the future.

I have love, in the way I explained above. And I have a little hope that my old  friend manages to get out of the tunnel (that is no place to be even for my worst enemy, if I had one) but that is pretty much it.

Tottaly agree, this are some of the situation a MCLer can find itself into if they are too stubborn (and my husband, mora than stubborn is obstinate, he only stops when crash comes) and refuse to do the right thing towards their spouse.

And, yet, and I know this is going to sound totally contradictory, something in me tells me that, once divorce is final, after some time as passed and he realizes I’ve moved on without him, he will “come ou” of it, and may, in fact, became a good friend. But he will not “come out” unless he finds himself divorce and at total loss. Sad, I know.

Thank you so much for your words and advise, HB.

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Re: MLC'ers are not the enemy
#109: November 12, 2011, 05:29:42 PM
Anne - Are you saying he took 'all' the money/assets?    Are you able to get it back and can he actually come up with it if/when ordered to?   
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