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#20: November 08, 2011, 03:39:51 PM
Star, but if you, like Syn, think you play a big part in your husband's case and that it may make sense they leave and have another person, than, why do you mind so much they left and have another person?...Sorry if I'm sounding harsh.

Why do I have trouble believing this?

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Re: MLC'ers are not the enemy
#21: November 08, 2011, 03:48:26 PM
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no he has not. BECAUSE HE'S IN A CRISIS. You keep expecting something normal from someone who can't even figure out which side is up. If I did some things that i was sorry for... Whats the point of an apology IF YOU HAVE CONDITIONS WITH IT... So must he HAVE TO apologize because I DID? ??? Its coming... IN HIS TIME. And because i have dropped the bitterness as a way to live... I have opened the door to communications with him... He just told me that he didn't know if be can forgive himself... Can he verbalize it right now? Probably not. But if i sit there and say " u jerk, u caused all my misery" then i guess i wouldn't have grown and start to understand how this all happened. And i can tell u in my case and im sure many others... Being angry and bitter and expecting something good to come out of this WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

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Re: MLC'ers are not the enemy
#22: November 08, 2011, 03:50:42 PM
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Star, but if you, like Syn, think you play a big part in your husband's case and that it may make sense they leave and have another person, than, why do you mind so much they left and have another person?...Sorry if I'm sounding harsh.


Hi Annej. To me, it doesn't make sense that he went off with Op but that's just me. I don't think I could do that... 'wouldn't want to. I didn't agree with it and I didn't condone it but that was his decision. I couldn't trap him in a cage, lol. I've always had issues with jealousy and whatnot ( issues, I say! ). It was just all a mess. We were young. We didn't know any better. But I never thought, and still don't think, it's all hopeless.
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Re: MLC'ers are not the enemy
#23: November 08, 2011, 04:06:40 PM
Star, but if you, like Syn, think you play a big part in your husband's case and that it may make sense they leave and have another person, than, why do you mind so much they left and have another person?...Sorry if I'm sounding harsh.

Why do I have trouble believing this?

Yeah...Anne, I don't know how you mean for it to come across, but often your posts seem deliberately provocative.  It's like you keep wanting to make some sort of a point, but it is not a supportive one.  Not nice.
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Re: MLC'ers are not the enemy
#24: November 08, 2011, 04:12:09 PM
Affaircare, I think your post is perhaps a little "one size fits all" but from what I have read in your other posts I am sure you mean well.

When I found out about the adultery in a telephone conversation with W,  my W said she was confused, "I'm confused, I am confused", she said. "No one plans for this to happen".

When she eventually came home she said, "I'm not so dependent on you now". I had no idea what she was talking about. She had her own career, bank account, income, retirement plan, successful in her career as a manager working internationally for a multi national.

She also said to our daughter, "I'm[her] not the first person for this to happen to and I'm sure I won't be the last". And to daughter, "you've had relationships, you must understand. back me in this, back me in this".

On another occasion when I asked her "why?", she said, "I think its because I don't love you any more". "Its not you its me", she said. "I've discovered myself", she said.

In hindsight the closest I can come to seeing the signs in the months before BD  was one occasion when I was moaning about the work a plumber had recently done in our bathroom. I was just thinking out loud. She said, "why are you having a go at me?" I was confused and said "I'm moaning about the plumber." "it feels like you are having a go at me.", she said. My mind often goes back to that incident and think how strange it was.

I do a little running to keep fit. Before BD she told me I was obsessed with running. I wasn't obsessed with running but around that time she had joined a gym in the country in which she was working and was very enthusiast about Spinning and how much it made her sweat which was good because it helped weight loss. She was projecting her recently acquired obsession on to me.

She was coming home at weekends after BD (I had at this time learnt a little about MLC) and one evening I sat down next to her while she was watching TV. I was in such emotional agony, but after a little while I very gently said to her, "you know what you are going through is a recognised condition". Her bottom lip started to quiver and she said, "I can't help it."…"If the children ever need me you will let me know won't you?" It was emotional agony. My anguish was so intense. It just seemed like she was going into self-destruct and there was nothing I could do to help her.

So I guess I am saying she never told me she was unhappy. She never told me I was doing anything wrong before BD and she didn't tell me I had done anything wrong after BD. She told our son, "now you and your sister have grown up its time for me [her] to grow up". Therefore growing up equates to lies and adultery. It was all just so strange and made no sense.

"FOR THEM what you were doing to them hurt them deeply until eventually they hit an inner crisis point. FOR THEM it was bad enough to consider doing what they know is wrong and what makes them internally ILL." This statement  could easily be interpreted as harsh by those LBS here who may have been subjected to gaslighting and other forms of psychological bullying from their MLCer. The MLCer could have been telling the LBS its "all your fault" and made them believe they are very bad. Battered and abused spouses stay in relationships because they rationalise they are such bad people they deserve their beating.

I can envisage circumstances where people may do things that are "wrong" i.e. impoverished people may steal to feed their families or someone may kill in self defence in life and death scenarios but I struggle to envisage circumstances where someone "has to" commit adultery and make themselves internally ill.

When some LBS say they are working on themselves I don't think this an admission of wrong doing but rather acknowledging their need to recover from heartbreak and pain. And some LBS have been in abusive relationships where the MLCer has waged covert aggression against the LBS. Thus the LBS is working on themselves to improve their self-esteem and heal from the wounds they have received during the storm. Some LBS have been well and truly worked over. "working on themselves" is synonymous with recovery and seeing clearly.


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Re: MLC'ers are not the enemy
#25: November 08, 2011, 04:14:30 PM
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Star, but if you, like Syn, think you play a big part in your husband's case and that it may make sense they leave and have another person, than, why do you mind so much they left and have another person?...Sorry if I'm sounding harsh.

Why on earth would this question need to be asked? The majority are here to stand for marriages...

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Re: MLC'ers are not the enemy
#26: November 08, 2011, 04:31:53 PM
Dido Anne on your posts! You to DGU. To me, MLC is as obvious as all the books and articles on it. My ex came "out of the fog for a few brief moments back in Feb and layed with me and said she could not believe she divorced me, that i am the only one who cares for her, that her friends ( who were new ones she had since BD) were not really her friends, and how could I still take her in with all she has done. it's a fog they are in, a bad mlc fog.

Yes, we can be made to feel guilty of some of our short comings with them over the years and try to improve on that but like Anne said, 'What about them"? Zip, nothing, nada from them but pain. pain and more pain until time heals it.

Ex's famous last words as she left, "the kids will be fine". enough said.
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Re: MLC'ers are not the enemy
#27: November 08, 2011, 04:35:48 PM
When some LBS say they are working on themselves I don't think this an admission of wrong doing but rather acknowledging their need to recover from heartbreak and pain. And some LBS have been in abusive relationships where the MLCer has waged covert aggression against the LBS. Thus the LBS is working on themselves to improve their self-esteem and heal from the wounds they have received during the storm. Some LBS have been well and truly worked over. "working on themselves" is synonymous with recovery and seeing clearly.


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I agree with this, too. It's been hard to decipher the root causes of the issues I had during our relationship and now. He was passive aggressive and conflict avoiding and I do believe he gaslighted me for a long time, too. But I do recognize the issues I've had since I was a child.. nothing, too, major but maybe, being with him so young simply wasn't the best thing for me.
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Re: MLC'ers are not the enemy
#28: November 08, 2011, 04:42:39 PM
Star, but if you, like Syn, think you play a big part in your husband's case and that it may make sense they leave and have another person, than, why do you mind so much they left and have another person?...Sorry if I'm sounding harsh.

Why do I have trouble believing this?

Yeah...Anne, I don't know how you mean for it to come across, but often your posts seem deliberately provocative.  It's like you keep wanting to make some sort of a point, but it is not a supportive one.  Not nice.

Sorry WP and others. No provocative. Really just asking. This thread was about AC thinking that the partner plays a role in someone MLC. Syn refered that she has not been sharing a room with her husband for two years and Star says she was responsable for so much that went wrong with her relashionship. This is a place for support but also for questions.

If so, if the LBS thinks they play some important part in the MCL crisis or in the marriage break up, perhaps they may find it less hard to accept that their spouse went looking for something they may not be getting at home. Note I was asking, not affirming. I'm again saying "they may".

But it is true, if my husband would not share a room with me for two years my marriage would had been over. And if, in reverse, I would not share a room with him for two years I would had to accept that he went for someone else.

LBOHG, read above. To me, if the LBS thinks they are such big part of the crisis, and that they did things that took to it, and given that leaving and another person are part of the crisis, a LBS that thinks like that may (again may) be less upset with another person than a LBS that does not think that had contributed to the crisis. Does this makes sense?

And, well, Syn has always said she had not shared a room with her husband for two years. Don't think that is an unknown issue here.

But, so that there are no doubts, I do not think the LBS dids or not dids have anything to do with the crisis. A spouse that does not share a bedrrom with a spouse  (there is a break in intimacy and a distance between the couple) may have something to do with a normal affair  but not with a MLC. Again, may.

Star, no, it does not make sense your husband went with another person. But since it is MLC you should not blame yourself nor think that those wrong things you feel responsable for are the cause of his crisis.

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Re: MLC'ers are not the enemy
#29: November 08, 2011, 04:47:48 PM

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"This thread was about AC thinking that the partner plays a role in someone MLC. Syn refered that she has not been sharing a room with her husband for two years and Star says she was responsable for so much that went wrong with her relashionship.



Star, no, it does not make sense your husband went with another person. But since it is MLC you should not blame yourself nor think that those wrong things you feel responsable for are the cause of his crisis.



I wouldn't say, and don't believe, I was the cause of his mlc ( not even sure that's what's going on with him ) but I'm taking responsibility for the things that I clearly did wrong and regret, mlc or not.
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We never married ~ no children ~ two cats ~ Bomb Drop ~ 6/22/09 ~ he left to be w/ the Op & Op's kid
Atomic Bomb Drop ~ 3/22/12 ~ found out they had a child in early February, 2012 ( 2 weeks before my BDay )

In 100 years, none of this will matter but time is still. (( hugs & prayers to all ))

 

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