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#80: September 03, 2010, 07:41:39 PM
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if the MLCer ran from his family because he couldn't deal with anything, how long will he put up with this from someone that there is no history or years of attachment to??
He will put up with the alienator as long as he is weaker than the strength of the emotional blackmail used against him.

Is this typically by the way of anger RCR?  It's so hard to imagine them in the state there in being strong enough to rise above the emotional blackmail...or do they awaken to it somehow...see the reality as it gets crazier and crazier.  What was your experience with Sweetheart.
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Re: Questions about the affair/OM/OW
#81: September 03, 2010, 08:05:52 PM
Yeah, RCR... inquiring minds want to know!

What could cause them to become strong enough to break from OW? And if they do, are they horrified by how they affaired down and embarrassed about how they thought they felt? Or do they still justify the affair and see it fondly but feel ready to move on because it became too much trouble? What happens to their feelings about being "soulmates"? I need answers because if this b**** is going to be a threat to my marriage years after it is over due to their connection in the past, then I'm bowing out for keeps.  >:(
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Re: Questions about the affair/OM/OW
#82: September 03, 2010, 09:05:16 PM
I think when they clear out of the fog, they don't remember what drew them to ow/om in the first place. Guilt plays a large part as well. Remember, the initial draw is excitement. Afterwards, they seek the same high, but it is never the same.

I think they reach a point when they realize that the ow will never give them the initial excitement. That is when they exit replay and move further along the tunnel.

I know that is a simplification because there are many dynamics at play including the spouse, the ow, children, and friends that create interactions and conditions that will impact the affair in many different ways.
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Re: Questions about the affair/OM/OW
#83: September 03, 2010, 09:27:21 PM
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What could cause them to become strong enough to break from OW? And if they do, are they horrified by how they affaired down and embarrassed about how they thought they felt? Or do they still justify the affair and see it fondly but feel ready to move on because it became too much trouble? What happens to their feelings about being "soulmates"? I need answers because if this b**** is going to be a threat to my marriage years after it is over due to their connection in the past, then I'm bowing out for keeps.

I'm not RCR, but I'll give you my take on it...something has to happen that overcomes their addiction to the "highs" of the affair..and causes them to be emotionally ready to end it.   What has to happen has to do with their satisfaction turning to dissatisfaction..and the dissatisfaction has to become SO high, they are forced to face what they are doing, and have to gather what strength they have left to end the affair...the OW/OM can and usually do play their parts, too..in making this happen..as they start making demands on the MLC'er, and he/she starts feeling totally trapped within a trap of their own making.

Such as the Knight in Shining Armour becomes the Knight in Tarnished Armour, as he finds the OW has more or less tricked him into something he may not have meant to go so far, but it did.

Didn't we talk about this before, somewhere else?  LOL!!

From what I was led to understand, in my case,  I, more or less, ended up being the BETTER choice..and sometimes I find that hard to believe, considering that I was giving my husband all kinds of heck after finding out what he was doing. :)

The only way they would "go back" is IF the addiction is stronger than their resolve.  And they may have good intentions but the road to Hades has always been paved with those; sometimes, the LBS has to make a stand, and draw the line in the hopes that the MLC'er will come to their senses and end the affair.

Some do, because they wake up and realize what they are doing, and see clearly that if they don't do something and quickly, they will lose the LBS, and most don't really want that.

It is better if the MLC'er ends it; they do a little better with the OW Withdrawal, mostly because THEY were the ones who dumped the OW, not the other way around....but then again, OW played on my husband's guilt, pestering him, bedding him, and it took something SHE did to end it all for good; part of it was her true colors showing, and he didn't like what he was seeing, as she was the opposite of me; on the other hand, he was replaying a time with his Mom..and the sex complicated matters when it went physical, and actually speeded up his breaking the addiction.

True colors, no matter how someone tries to hide them, ALWAYS come to light, and that can further increase the disenchantment between the MLC'er and the OW/OM.

Remember BOTH have problems,  neurotics attract neurotics, and out of those  types of problems comes a problematic affair that is fraught with problems, first and foremost, it was born out of deceit and wrongdoing, not to mention adultery.

I believe that somewhere within the OW/OM's hearts is the realization that IF the MLC'er does this with them, they could go on and do it TO them at a later time.

On top of that, the MLC'er knows somewhere in their heart, that if the OW/OM would cheat with them, they will cheat on the MLC'er given time and opportunity.

It is a relationship destined for failure.  EVEN IF the MLC'er goes on and marries his/her affair, it will never be a stable relationship because of all that's mentioned above.

From my own experience, I watched my husband go through massive amounts of shame and guilt...and he was angry with himself because he'd allowed himself to get entangled that way.

But it happens when you open doors that you should NEVER open, and us normal people don't do things like that, as we KNOW what would happen if we did...the guilt would be very hard to bear, we would not sleep at night, and we would live in fear that our spouses would kick us out..and that is NEVER worth a roll or two or three in the hay for the sake of something different..or whatever is driving the affair.

I NEVER saw him "fondly" remember that time with OW..all I saw was a deep shame and guilt within him, even as he was going through OW Withdrawal, rejecting me again, working her out of his head and heart.

Those that break down the affair for whatever reason, always go through this season of shame and guilt...I really don't know of any who remember it "fondly"...

Now, they may feel responsible, and in some ways they ARE responsible for their part in it..and that is different, as they are different, and feel guilty for dragging the poor wittle OW into a big, bad affair....but remember them fondly as they are working it out?  If he did have any fondness for her memory, I never saw that on him...only what I outlined above.

They DO grieve the loss, but that is not the same thing.

Anytime, you make a connection such as this, even illicit, the person you get involved with, and this is true even in marriage, they take residence in your head, and your heart...and when a final break is made, a grieving is gone though, where you see where you went wrong, and you work out the details of getting them out of your head and heart.

This is different, also, than a dead marriage that is going to be rebuilt at a later time, but yet, the process is pretty similar...the "OLD" is worked out in preparation for the new...same person, NEW relationship.


RCR may have a different take on this, or add to what I've already said.  :)


 
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Re: Questions about the affair/OM/OW
#84: September 05, 2010, 11:10:52 PM
very insightful HeartsB... thank you... I am standing, and will continue to stand but somedays I just want to smack the crud out of H for brining someone else into this that will be an ever greater hurdle to overcome...but I know by the grace of GOd that we will overcome.... when he wakes up! :-\
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Re: Questions about the affair/OM/OW
#85: September 06, 2010, 03:35:21 PM
Getting back to the issue of borderline...I have had a friend and my mom (former therapist) tell me that they think OW is borderline.  I didn't know much about it, but I do believe that something is pathologically wrong with her based on her long history of not only cheating but of getting pregnant. 

From what little I have read, borderlines have a fear of abandonment.  If that's the case, I don't know why OW would have left her steady H of 20 years, although I do find it interesting that he cheated on her 10 years ago and she is STILL punishing him for that.  All of this is HIS fault, as was her affair/pregnancy 7 years ago.  It's like she is hell-bent on sending him to the grave for what he did to her.  And he took her BACK after the last affair/pregnancy (ended in adoption). 

OW's H has said that she is very wishy-washy and moody; that she is ALWAYS late, may or may not do what she says (just like my H) and that whatever she says goes.  He said she is very manipulative and controlling.

To the contrary of what you all have said, she is pretty, though!   :(   That was hard to stomach at first!  She's cute, 2 years older than H; 42. 

I know that the baby is a trophy; that she parades it around especially at work for all to see, like "Look, I've got him now!  I've got his baby!"  And there H is, just smiling like the village idiot, happy as a clam. 

Anyway, I saw the name of this thread and given what I've been told, was curious to see what others' experience with borderlines have been.  It sounds as though it doesn't necessarily speed up the ending of A, unfortunately.  Like HB said, if H is still weak, it will go on and on.  That's scary!  What if he never gets a backbone?  Ugh.  I can't stand the thought of that. 
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Re: Questions about the affair/OM/OW
#86: September 06, 2010, 03:42:06 PM
WritingMom,

Did you ever wonder if OW is reliving the first affair and pregnancy OVER with your husband? I know a young couple who were "strongly advised" to give up their baby (they were young teens and both mildly retarded) to a wonderful family in an open adoption. The parents tried to keep them apart for obvious reasons, but guess what? They got pregnant almost immediately to "make up" for the loss of the first child. If OW didn't get to live out the first "mistake" it looks like she is hell bent on doing it HER way this time. Too bad your husband got involved with her as it has NOTHING to do with him. That's my 2 cents worth.
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Re: Questions about the affair/OM/OW
#87: September 06, 2010, 04:11:52 PM
LG,

Strange that you say that.  Her last affair/pregnancy, she carried to term and gave it up (also a girl) but told her kids she was carrying it for a friend!!!  They only recently learned the truth. 

Anyway, OW's H told me very early on that same thing; that she was just doing this because she had to give the last one up.

Still sounds so crazy and warped to me, but you are probably on to something.  And yes, H is caught in the crossfire and has no clue what he's doing there. 

Her divorce has dragged on also.  Part of me wonders if hers will ever  be final.  She wanted her H back last time, will she just drag him to hell and back before changing her mind as some sick way to control?  Who knows.  It's all so bizarre. 
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Re: Questions about the affair/OM/OW
#88: September 06, 2010, 04:22:41 PM
Yeah, and, who gets pregnant on purpose in an affair (twice)? Someone with SERIOUS problems...

One time I made the mistake of reading posts on an OW forum and it made me want to throw up! The crying and whining about their true love being a liar and constantly going back to his wife and how torturous it was but they couldn't let him go because they just loved him SO much and how no matter what, some day he would know what a martyr they were and how he was only going back to his wife out of guilt and he deserved SO much more. GET THE SMELLING SALTS!! There needs to be a deprogramming camp for these women and, dare I say it, a scarlet A on their foreheads for a period of time to warn the rest of us to lock up our husbands!! And for the husbands, a chastity belt and NO Viagra prescription for 5 years as penance!!

Don't get me started.
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Re: Questions about the affair/OM/OW
#89: September 06, 2010, 04:35:34 PM
I read somewhere that the best revenge for the OW is to let her KEEP him!  Not what standing promotes, but I swear they build their fantasy up so huge that they refuse to see reality.  Sometimes I just want to say, "Fine, you keep him and listen to his disgusting bodily noises and watch him lick his fingers while he eats and snore with his mouth open all night.  Is that what you wanted?  Huh?  HUH???"   ;D

And yes, this OW def needs a scarlet A!!  All over her forehead!  She's a whack job.  I just hope she treats (my) H the same way she treats hers someday.  I don't care what happens to her, but I want that to be his smelling salt--seeing her for what she really is!

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