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#60: February 07, 2011, 10:15:46 AM
I have often been told that my w is planning her exit strategy and is just using her time to prepare for her departure. My response is that if I do love her, would I just throw her out and force her into situation where she would have to fend for herself? Make her vulnerable where she has to find an OM to survive?

My response is that I love her, that I care about her, and if she moves out next year, then I had her for an entire year. It is something to think about and consider. Too often, we look at our spouses as rational and calculating. From my perspective, even when making what seems to be rational thoughts, they are still tempered by emotional impulses and thoughts driven by their depression.

Yes, my wife has told many people that she is planning on moving out. She wants to pass her CPA, get a job, and then get her own place. That was her plan over a year ago and she still has to pass the CPA.  Right now, even if she passed one test per testing cycle, she will not pass the test until next November. That gives me almost another year with her in the house.

On one level, it sounds calculating, but on the other level, it sounds like a person who is clinging to a fantasy. The fantasy is slowly eroding and she will eventually face herself. Think carefully before you push your MLCer. Pray to God and really think before you do something drastic. Remember that when the LBSer makes a push or shove they often do not get the desired results that they are seeking.

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Re: Low Energy MLC'er
#61: February 07, 2011, 10:47:26 AM
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Remember that when the LBSer makes a push or shove they often do not get the desired results that they are seeking.

There are certain times for pushing; and other times for leaving them alone.....push too soon, they will run away...this is how fragile they are at certain points of the crisis; especially within the first three stages.

It is best to leave them alone for awhile...you will KNOW when the time is right to try to push them; although you may shoot them with truth darts from time to time..this is another time you will KNOW when to push them.

Basically; they will have had to completely come through the first THREE stages; if not also the fourth..this is when they are stronger; more able to take being pushed somewhat...because the damage done will be partially revealed in the fourth...although, when they "awaken"  during the latter part of Replay and they determine they must do something or lose all...they are still not "open" to being pushed at that point in time.

You still won't know until they vocalize it whether they will want to stay married or not..and this is beyond your control.  If you pay attention, their very actions will show you a great deal; as not every MLC'er really wants to leave, but they need to be left alone to process themselves; coming through on their own.

This is the hardest part of the drill to try and outlast their crisis.

My intuition guided me; but confrontation didn't come until he had bounced backward into Withdrawal; and was stuck within the tunnel.

Now, you do need to set boundaries against bad behavior and can do so at any time within the crisis; no one should EVER be allowed to curse you or call you names, or insult you; this is very disrespectful....and when you set the boundary don't take their threats to heart; simply let them go to do what they THINK they need to do; and don't let fear get in your way.

You can't control what they do; but you can control yourself; and what you will and won't tolerate in the way of behavior.

Not everything they say requires an answer; and most of the time they are fishing for a reaction..don't take the bait and don't take any of it personally; the MLC fog is speaking from their confused minds.

There are consequences set for boundaries; and set these in such a way that won't make a major life change.

For example, I made it quite clear that I would not stay in the same room with him; if he started speaking disrespectfully to me...and I left the room each time he started up.  Sometimes, he'd follow me, sometimes not...there was one day; when we ended up in every room of the house; except our son's room...and I simply started over; making it clear once again that I would NOT tolerate being spoken to in disrespectful way. 

He pushed ME and hard; trying everything he knew to get me to throw him out...I knew the game he was playing.

But, I didn't throw him out...and that would have been a major life change if I had; he would have not returned....pride was a problem with him; and throwing him out would have been a major blow there....but he pushed me and tried to get me to throw him out, because he was TOO weak to do it, himself....but I never would....I just kept leaving the room.

I stayed calm, when I wanted to scream my head off, instead...but he never saw me sweat; and he stopped seeing me cry for a very long time.

It was hard; but strength came from a well that I never knew existed; and I worked with that strength for a good while.

It really sounds like I was a 'glutton for punishment' but I don't see it that way; I learned things WITHIN my marriage; that I would never have learned; had I given in and throw him out.

I learned to DEAL more effectively with hateful, disrespectful people, and he was the epitome of every one of these types of people; that I used to get so upset with before I learned to deal within the crisis.

I learned to be strong; and I learned to hang on tightly to myself...it is all too easy to lose yourself even more within this process....but I also learned, as time went on, that I had great value; and I would retain that value; and gain even more as the crisis went on.

And I also knew he would come to KNOW this value as the crisis wound down....as he remembered what he'd done toward me; and the fact that I had stayed strong with him; when I could have just as easily tossed him out the door.

I really did want to stay married; even though I was pushed to my limits; and even, at the beginning; decided at one point that I was leaving...but God kept after me; and I'm very glad He did.

There were many things that had to come to pass before it all ended; but I learned so much from each thing that came across my path. :)
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Re: Low Energy MLC'er
#62: February 07, 2011, 03:25:23 PM
Oh how I wish I had learned about MLC 18 months ago!!  I did everything wrong for a long time.  My H kept telling me to leave him alone (needing space), but I couldn't.  I would leave him be for a week, thinking that was plenty of time, then come back and try to make him talk, to make him understand the damage he was doing, to try to make sense of of the craziness he was spewing and make HIM see that it was crazy.  I just had NO IDEA what was happening and couldn't stop trying to fix it. 

THANK YOU to those of you who have encouraged me to not make threats or take action before I'm 100% sure.  It's hard to fight those feelings of "if he wants out so badly, why are we wasting any more time".  I don't want to be with someone who doesn't want me (none of us do)...but there is a possiblity he could emerge from the fog a better person like HB's H did.  It ain't over till it's over right?

Ready, Still, HB, and many more of you are amazing examples of unconditional love and patience.  I hope some of it rubs off on me.  :)
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Re: Low Energy MLC'er
#63: February 07, 2011, 03:36:54 PM
backing it up a bit:
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Of course, I have been thinking about connecting a few wires to an outlet and giving her a jolt. You think 15 seconds, 20 seconds or longer? Is there any research on this? Does someone want to try with me and compare notes? What air freshener works best to cover the smell of burning human flesh?

ROFL! 20 secs at least...add a spritz of water....Febreeze pet strength or vinegar.... 8)

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Do any of you ever wonder if your low energy MLCer is quietly getting his/her ducks in a row before hitting you with a divorce?  Maybe hiding money or assets?  Like the typical MLCer, my H really just seems confused and spinning around with no direction, but occasionally I wonder if I'm underestimating him.

Yes! It is a fear I can't seem to totally let go of, because aspects of it keep popping up. I am reassured that he cannot hide much as he will have to document everything if we go to court. That said...all the money in the world cannot replace my husband. I would gladly hand everything over to whomever would guarantee his return to wholeness. Faith, it is all about letting go of the outcome, which takes time, understanding, and little baby steps :)
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Re: Low Energy MLC'er
#64: February 07, 2011, 04:33:10 PM
Hi, Faith.  Just wanted to toss in my two cents worth!  My xH had planned his escape I believe for a few months.  He had everything in place before leaving........rented his apartment, opened a separate checking/savings account, etc.  He was set and ready........things happened so fast my head was spinning for weeks!  He insisted that I go ahead and take my "half"....saying that he didn't feel like I contributed half but it was "only fair" for him to give me half!  So, within 3 weeks I find out he took $11,000 out of his retirement account to purchase OW a brand new car!! He also traded a perfectly good vehicle (06) for a 2010 vehicle for himself..........AND bought a used sports car.........AND a motorcycle.........he also maxed out his personal credit card to the tune of $12,000!!!  He went bonkers spending money and OW was living it up!!  He paid dearly for removing the money from retirement.......early withdrawal.......penalties with Internal Revenue!  It bit his butt hard!
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Re: Low Energy MLC'er
#65: February 07, 2011, 05:49:13 PM
Faith,

I think there certainly could be cases where the MLC'er is "working behind the scenes" to get things prepared for the exit. I also think there are many cases where that isn't happening simply because the energy to do so is too much. Prior to MLC, my h was never one to sit around for anything. He was a list maker and constantly checked off goals as he would complete them. He coordinated all aspects of building our home, single-handedly built a 2.5 car garage, and did much of his own landscaping. He loved our home. Since MLC, nothing gets done. He hasn't completed a household project in nearly 3 years. This just isn't him. So, I honestly don't believe he has the energy to devote to planning his exit. Maybe some day I will be wrong.

I have seen a lawyer to know my rights, but I don't dwell on what he is doing. If he leaves, there isn't anything I can do about it. In the meantime, my children have the benefit of living with both parents.
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Re: Low Energy MLC'er
#66: February 07, 2011, 07:32:56 PM
Still,

Your comments are pretty interesting to me.
It made me think of my H and the time after BD - the 2.5 months before he moved out (I should say ran away from home).

One day he was working on our sink in the upstairs bathroom.  He purchased a new sink, new faucets - etc.  I guess the sink size in my bathroom didn't match what he had purchased.
He got so upset - he laid on the couch in the den and cried.  He was so frustrated!.  He ended up taking everything back to the store and putting the old, cracked sink (which is not usable) back in its place.  (There are 2 sinks in the bathroom).  And, now, there it sits.  An unusable, cracked sink - held up by a 2 by 4!
My H, in the past, could always figure out anything...pretty much fix anything.  In his MLC state - he's not the handy man he once was.
No.  I don't think that me H did much calculating.  I think he must have thought quite a bit about leaving me and our home.  But, it appears, that he didn't think very much about what his future would be once he left.  He took some clothes, his camera (later his coffee maker and roaster) - and that's about it.  He still sleeps in the guest room at his parents.
I think that my H pretty much lives in the moment - for the moment.  He doesn't seem to have the ability to plan/schedule for the future.

Just my perspective.

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Re: Low Energy MLC'er
#67: February 07, 2011, 09:45:23 PM
Wow Lovemyman, I'm glad you got your "half" before he went on his insane spending spree!   :o

Still and limitless, my H has become pretty lazy and uncaring around the house too.  He was also a handyman who could figure out how to fix almost anything.  He started finishing our basement 3 years ago, but it has sat in it's current state since MLC hit.  Oddly, he recently asked me if I had thought about what color to paint the bathroom down there.  Why would I put anymore money or work into the basement if we're selling the house when we divorce?  Of course if I vocalize that, he'll say "well, it will help the house sell faster".  Been there done that - don't want to hear it anymore.

I agree that for all his threats and big talk, my gut tells me that he doesn't have the energy to be doing anything too sinister yet.  Like Ready, I have a family member that keeps telling me she's sure he's up to all kinds of horrible things.  But really, what can we do if they are?  How can we even find out?  I spent several months snooping around trying to figure out what women he's talking to and how involved he is with them, and I drove myself insane.  I would like to know the truth, but my emotional and physical health is important too.  The fact that he has me blocked from accessing our cell phone records tells me he's hiding something so I know that much.  The whole truth will surface eventually.  :(   

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Re: Low Energy MLC'er
#68: February 08, 2011, 04:09:32 AM
Faith,
I did quite a bit of snooping cell phone records for the 1st 2-3 months after he left.
Day after day there was virtually nothing.  Only texts here and there to our kids and me.
Finally, there was a 3 hour phone call to ...... his high school girlfriend - (Over 40 years ago)!!!
I lost it.
I called him and yelled at him.  I wanted him to know that I checked his cell records so he would block me.
It was like an obsession - I couldn't stop checking them.
That was over 3 months ago.
Now, I have no idea what he does or who he communicates with.
It's better that way.
It's probably nobody - or there could be somebody.
Either way - nothing I can do about it.  Better not to know.  Not my business.
No.  I don't think he's calculating or planning anything.  He seems to just exist right now.
I wouldn't want to live like that.

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Re: Low Energy MLC'er
#69: February 08, 2011, 01:33:55 PM
Faith,
I bet lots of us look back with regret over hounding them (for lack of a better word).  I melted down constantly in the beginning...then I got a handle on the weekdays but melted down each weekend.  Now I seem to be on a three week rotation....though I don't melt down so much as throw out a question here and there.  Part of that backing off is because I've had some of my questions answered and some apologies and accountability (lots more is needed of course).  And the other part of the backing off is because I've gotten smarter.  And alas, sorry to say, part of it is giving up and giving in to this "thing" that's going on.  So don't beat yourself up with regret...who can blame us for trying to figure out why the or one of the most important relationships in our life has fallen apart?

I agree with limitless....sometimes it's better not to know.  It is what it is, there isn't anything you can do about it except to set parameters but that could blow up in your face.  Sometimes it's better to realize all the lies and secrecy are just part of this rotten MLC package and hope they run their course. 

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